Dude the (((alt-left))) lmao

Holy kek, I don't think even the person who made that image could dream of such a situation for its use.

Do you have to bitch about everything

are these fuckers doing this on purpose or
Hell, "bend the knee" gets used all the time in Game of Thrones as a non-sexual metaphor for submission. I thought these idiots were supposed to be pop-culture nerds.

Don't equate this shit with Derrida. Both the liberals and alt-right don't know what position Derrida has taken, or what post-modernism even is.

It's not like Clinton supporters–the same assholes who claimed against all reason that the primaries were not rigged and called people "brocialists" who rightly said that Clinton was just more of the same neoliberalism–do not deserve to be humiliated. They should be shamed at every opportunity.

At least they don't shart in the mart

What's with non-Socialists thinking Socialism is about holding hands and being polite to each other in a state of eternal brotherhood lmao

Socialism is the only modern ideology that recognizes some type of conflict as inherent to our system, so there literally couldn't be any idea less prone to alliances built on concessions. Because you can negotiate management, you can negotiate proper speech, you can negotiate inclusion, you can negotiate goals, but you can't negotiate something that is, as we perceive, a war. We can only win it.

I think literally nobody from Chapo is chiefly concerned with making another New Deal a Democratic platform. Their adherence to Sanders', Corbyn's and other center-left campaigns is strategic. It's all about using whatever opportunity we're given to empower those to the Left of the liberal-conservative consensus, which is a decent strategy. We should help build the Left of the Democrats only as a mean to show people that organized grassroots shit can get things done, and then immediately move towards something bigger. Matt, Amber and Will, who are the three people who actually voice strong opinions on questions of how society should be organized, are all Marxists. The idea that we should "play the game" in order to win some concessions is a gross misunderstanding of what we're in for.

Dude, let them.

"These Leftists are offensive bros!" is the new "These Rightists are offensive rednecks!", it's some bound to backfire because no one likes people presenting themselves as the embodiment of civilized discourse and politics.

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LMAO /r/politics is having a fucking struggle session over this article of all things

That is what the liberals who got them into it sold it as. Never mind e onomics or class. Socialism is all about everyone being equal. Fucking idiots actually personify the rightist critique of liberal "socialism."

I think Chapo is fucking garbage but this article is even worse.

Chapo has some good episodes and some bad lazy ones, but if there's thing they're very good at is getting people into leftism. For that i'll gladly keep supporting them

This cant be slammed quick enough into the dustbin of history.

why do these people constantly just think everything is sexual?(daily reminder to spoiler nsfw)

I never really looked into the New Republic but if today's headlines are any indication they are shit as Vox and The Daily Beast.

all of this could've been easily avoided if they hadn't been obscurantists. If you have something to say just say it, fucking frogs and their bullshit verbiage.

REEEEEE ALT LEFT DOESN'T EXIST
FUCK THE ALT RIGHT THOUGH!

Ahh just more proof that this board is a cesspit of redditfags ruining everything.

At this point in time anyone here is just a redditfag or a bitch who got offended nazi jokes from Holla Forums and became a leftist just in spite of Holla Forums

Trull pathetic.

How does this have any bearing on this board whatsoever?

Nah I'm here from old /lit/. Feel free to keep making reddit-spaced posts about how everyone here is from reddit though

Alt-right is a self-identifying term. Alt-left isn't. No need to throw a tantrum.

dead party walking

But that would be using language as a tool instead of the all-powerful stuff that reality is made of.

reddit is finding felix jokes "p roblematic" lol

np.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/6oc45o/im_a_chapo_fan_but_this_is_not_great_right/

Unlike Holla Forums, we aren't trying to redefine our politics and use the correct terms when referring to ourselves.

Is chapo trap house anti-capitalist?

i just found out about them and I'm trying to gauge whether i should give a shit

nah theyre succ dems listen to cumtown if you want real anti capitalist podcasting

I actually like Jeet, but I think he's missing the point here. Yes, it'd be NICE if Libs were more willing to work together on some actual leftist or at least progressive policies against the Republicans, but anytime anybody is ever asked to "compromise" with basically no concession it's the left-progressives or leftists being asked to sacrifice for the centrists and corporate types.

Every time you bring up something even as modest as universal healthcare it's "THAT'S NOT REALISTIC GROW UP". Just condescending bullshit. I say this as somebody who was raised to be painfully polite too. I don't feel there's much good faith left for me to give until they actually offer anything worth working with them on, or at least acknowledge they got shellacked in the last election at least partially because of their own milquetoast liberalism and absolute tone-deafness.

Who am I kidding though? "MUH POPULAR VOTE LOL"

hmm, are they sargonite ==muh social studies warriors type of succdems==? If not, maybe we could radicalize them

Amber and Matt are hard left. Will and Felix are probably more socdem. Shit, Amber's said some borderline Tankie stuff before.

I think they're just confused. Except for Amber she's pretty hardline socialist. They all shill for DSA though so idk fam

I posted about this on the Chapo thread. I really hate to see them bending over small shit like this.

oh neat, I'll check 'em out

Jeet Heer is a cuck, Virgil Texas is a faggot, and I hope this starts a fight between them.

At least Heer had the decency not to use "alt-left".

Everything is woman hateric, user.

What does Virgil even do to piss off anybody? Seems like a weirdly inactive person, relatively speaking, to be pissed about

Yeah Chapo Ass House is a part of the shitty "twitter" "woke left" types that came over from Bernie mania. I was paying attention to socialism since at least 2011 when i graduated HS so it kind of pisses me off that these dudes are so lauded.

They don't. They just know that accusing your opponents of sexism is an effective tactic when punching left.

Alternatively, they just hate Chapo and in their politics everything they hate is sexist, racist etc. too.

It's a long history, but basically, Weird Twitter created socjus and Virgil was one of the main culprits.

This post has to be irony

They have some better "left" columnists. I like Sarah Jones.

No idea. It might be because of all the Chapo squad Virgil has the dirtiest "mutuals", since he was in with weird twitter (FYAD) from back when that meme took off.

Goons created weird twitter and the tumblr/srs posse of outrage libs but it's not exactly a direct line like this.

I've been on imageboards and lived online since 4chan first became a thing so why do I have no idea what this is about? Was I not paying enough attention or am I lucky for not knowing?

They would describe themselves are firmly anti-capitalists, but they are firmly American liberals otherwise; you won't find them defending the USSR.

Holla Forums thinks that FYAD inspired irony twitter created SJWs somehow

It's a thing that's confined to Something Awful forums. There was a subforum there called FYAD (Fuck You And Die) that was sort of a pressure cooker for being funny on the internet. The content inside was hugely offensive and confrontational, and a lot of those guys went on to become the nuclear of weird twitter.

It's not Holla Forums. It's the fact that "weird twitter" was a whos-who of fyad posters and lurkers. A lot of them went on to media jobs, writers for VICE and Buzzfeed, or doing PR.

Wow, I've been a commie since 2006 and not the edgy tankie type. Get over yourself kid.

The idea that any relatively small group of influential posters created modern liberal culture is some of the most anti-materialist shit I've ever heard here. I'm surprised anyone would seriously buy that the relation is anything more than tangential (of course more prominent commentators who favor the rhetoric would come into prominence as the rhetoric became more popular in the mainstream)

no seeing how that created SJWs since they mostly came out of tumblr, a site that SA hated back then and hates today

That sounds like the opposite of "being the reason SJWs exist"

It's a deliberate conflation when only a really weak connection exists, because the people who first pushed the narrative on 4chan (tying everything from tumblr to /r/srs to SA goons even when it made no chronological sense) were the people who were first drifting the site towards stormfaggery and needed an all-encompassing enemy (and you can't really fight tumblr since it's designed to be a safe spayce)

Okay… except that irony twitter was made by these guys and their style of human. Without FYAD weird twitter wouldn't exist. That's not to say anything of SJWs. If something from SA really contributed to that, it was LF, which I was a part of and I saw how that went down.

That's not what I'm disputing. I'm disputing the "SA forums are the reason SJWs exist" part. It's like thinking libertarianism exists because the Blaze exists, even assuming it's true that a large portion of SJWs came from there.

A lot of Weird Twitter also came from SA's defunct leftist forum, which is why so many of them are socdems.

if you actually stake out a clear, unambiguous position that reasonably educated people can understand without having to first be inducted into the ancient mystic society of critical theorists then it makes it much harder to back away from it later. much better to dazzle everyone with bullshit, that way nobody not in your cult even knows what the fuck you're saying, let alone be able dispute it with any clarity.

The majority of SA are wierdo hobby nerds, alcoholic IT dads and irritating wrong think is bad pedants and socialist stoners all confined to their realative sub forums. the Idea that the SA forums are the reason SJWs exist is p hilarious.

to add on, SA is pretty much the "DA JOOS" of internet reactionaries.

da joos is the joos of internet reactionaries.

SA is just to 4chan what 4chan is to the mainstream web. that's all.

I agree it's not directly, WT created the socjus mindset by "cultural spread". They took their habits of incessant snark, doxing (but now for a "good cause"), shunning dialogue, dogpiling, real life harassment etc., and were at it for some 9-10 years. That anti-social behavior plus self-righteous "leftist" ideas begat SJWs.

Nah, they're another product of the rise of SJW thought in the mainstream. If anything tumblr came first and fomented it in earnest. There's a reason all the first anti-feminist internet spheres are anti-tumblr and not anti-SA

Tumblr design literally forces people to confront each other as much and as publicly as possible. You can blame it for fostering a lot of SJW behavior like call-out culture and virtue economy, but as far as safe spaces go, it's the exact opposite.

I admit to not being a frequent user of the site but my understanding of it is that you can pare down your in-group quite a lot, more than most other social media platforms

shit i just go there for porn. do people actually use it for serious and/or poltical stuff?

Explain, because I'm not seeing it. It's no different from Twitter and it's less safe-spacey than Facebook.

But tha's exactly what happened.

Liberals are all about superstructure tho, we know that for a fact. They most definitely can be swayed by superstructural things alone, the biggest one being idpol. And they practically live in social media, specially Twitter.

user, I was in SA back when FYAD started moving to greener pastures. I saw the shit they pulled for laughs through the years before that. I know their humor style. I'm telling you, SJW's behavior is a dead ringer.

First 2 pics related are examples. Instead of changing a minor error in an article (which was a shitpiece to begin with), supposedly professional journalists act like insufferable children and use the telltale tactic of denying dialogue by spewing nonsensical humor. And what a surprise, Virgil himself is part of their circle! Surely a coincidence. Surely.

Well shit son, I was in LF too. Yeah it got really terrible towards the end, in no small part thanks to the head admin, who, unsurprisingly, was yet another central member of WT. Still, I have seen some of the LF shitposters around, but none which can be called e-famous, inside or outside WT. FYAD are the fags behind WT because they were the early settlers of Twitter.

SA is the reason fucking 4chan exists. Former FYAD posters are literally writing the headlines now. One of them put one of their memes on live national prime time television. 3rd pic related.

They have been pulling the shit that SJWs pull now since 2008, possibly 2007. They precede socjus by a long time.

I have no idea how you'd even begin to browse tumblr for porn

It was (and still is) popular with the really stereotypical blue hair libfems with dozens of genders and hundreds of Rated PG Parental Guidances. I have no idea how the exact functions work but I'd imagine it would be entirely untenable for that group to manifest there if those Rated PG Parental Guidances and labels were unenforceable (some people would literally demand to only interact with a specific non-binary gender/otherkins/some other painfully obscure criterion).

The whole article is literally just language policing. Fuck this guy.

And of course, I'm a retard who forgets the 3rd pic.

You're only looking at the effect and not the cause. Tumblr really is no different from Twitter.

buddy i was in vietnam and im telling you that pulling me over for drunk driving is charlie behaviour

Superstructure still isn't great man theory and these ideas come close to boiling it down to that (you should see how much they focus on a very select few notable goons)
This is not typical SJW behavior or a progenitor of SJW behavior. "Obnoxious" maybe but certainly not at all the sort of rhetoric common to Tumblr and SRS around their peaks. There's a reason that these people are being called out for being irreverent to the point of annoyance while SJW even in their early phases were known as humorless, joyless, and terminally serious about every issue.
What third pic? And being the progenitor to 4chan is the opposite of being the progenitor to Tumblr feminists. At this point SA internet culture is so broad and diverse that making any claims about it is meaningless.

why are you stolen valouring LF?

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Maximum hehe.
They're just chasing the latest fad. Sanders foreign policy was a copy of Clintons and Corbyn has yet to do anything and sounds more like a neo liberal by the day. Even a cursory leftist analysis of either politician would have shown both of these men are capitalists.

Chapo and weird Twitter are just the 21st century hippies. Lumpenproles to the core.

PREACH

SRS was literally a SA operation. Also , what was diverse in SA culture was killed via overbearing moderation.
Weird Twitter sold SJW style to left institutions, and now they are selling you the solution. Truly the jews of the internet.

Lol I'm not surprised you'd YASSSS KWEEEN someone who said "I've been into leftism since 2011" to sound cool

I've been a leftist long before weird twitter or chapo were even close to being a thing. I can't even imagine being so insecure in my leftism that I'd be nervous that some crypto-jewish internet shitposters were teaching people to do it wrong.

I don't think you know what lumpenprole even means.

Well we all may end up dead or enslaved but at least when we do, it will be respectful and anti-bro!

#resist
#stillwithher

No one outside of 4chan thinks this. And I was on 4chan when that copypasta was going around so chill out

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That conspiracy always had me laughing. As much as I loved 4chan most of the people there are retarded.

Why do you constantly insist on using words that you don't understand?

I have to go now but I think I have made a tight argument here. Thanks for keeping it civilized. I also wrote a damn encyclopedia about this same topic in a previous thread, because my autism flares up when I see Holla Forums worshipping one of the people who inadvertently created socjus.

web.archive.org/web/20170630023240/http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1809242.html

That's the thing about the internet, it expands celebrity culture, any idiot can be famous and influence people. It lets few people have too big an effect on the cultural landscape. Being in the right place at the right time can be enough to net a person a big following, and settling Twitter early on is one such case. And let's not forget, a lot of WT went into journalism and media, further amplifying their cultural influence. Twitter used to be a haven for journos and media people to find jobs, network and start relationships; even today they are a disproportionate chunk of the userbase. Go to Trump's Twitter, select any tweet and check all the direct replies to it, you'll see a lot of shit like "Bylines in Rolling Stone and The Guardian" and such. And we know now how gregarious SJWs are.

I agree that's a difference, but you know how SJWs manifest their opinions: incessant snark and randumb humor. They're utterly self-absorbed, yet put on a facade of ironic, inevitably shitty humor. It's what happens when joyless people ape FYAD, you get gems of comedy like "pissbaby" and "shitl0rd".

Sorry, posted here:

That's not the point I was trying to make, which is that few people can have a lot of influence on the internet. Yes, 4chan and SJWs are opposites, but both trace their lineage to a comedy forum. That they have divergent political opinions doesn't matter.

what

It isn't a conspiracy, there were a whole thread about that on GBS about getting reddit scalps and all that. Their inverted vote system was clearly inspired from FYAD.

History rewriting goons, on my Holla Forums? More likely than you think.

Arguing with Weird Twitter is like arguing with children

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying your specific conclusions don't follow from your arguments. SA could be hugely influential and have prominent and influential posters, and SA can have elements that lead to 4chan, twitter, and tumblr cultures, and it still wouldn't justify something like "these chapo guys created socjus culture". It's just too many reaches.

It's not a "technical error". Your arguments rest on using words so haphazardly that whatever point was meant is lost.

If I mean to say "go milk the cow" and instead say "go strangle the cow", it isn't a "technical error" because both words vaguely involve a gripping motion. I'm not even saying the same thing anymore.

But really I'm just talking to someone who's looking to start a fight and constantly baiting so I should know better.

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Aren't you proudly a newfag here? You really need to simmer down.

Oh bullshit, weird Twitter trives on this tactic. You nail someone on a technical or minor gap in their reasoning and get then flustered. Then use that confusion as proof of them being dishonest or of weak reasoning. It's so tired and old, even my mom sees through it.

If you constantly feel flustered and unable to articulate your points then maybe the problem isn't "everyone else"

Yeah instead they should get their money straight from the psyop source like Eric Garland and get that US intelligence agency money.

I honestly have no idea why you post under that flag when you embarrass yourself so consistently. It isn't even the chapo histrionics, you embarrass yourself every time a leftist discussion takes place. I'm pretty sure you're so adamant about this particular topic since straying from it like you did in the debate threads makes you look more obviously like an idiot. Outrage is an easy out for any leftist to try to fit in so I can't say I'm surprised.

You made fun of me agreeing with someone who said they only got into politics in 2011. Implying their opinions were irrelevant because they didn't have enough time to learn the nuances of anti capitalism.

This is what I meant by provenance and it used that online and conversationally.

This is typical of virtues signalers like you. Try to passively aggressively play mind games so you can "win" the argument and gain prestige, instead of learn anything or test the resilience of your ideas and beliefs. Cause that'd require some humility.

Yeah sure.

This isn't a court of law. Just because someone can't articulate what they mean to your arbitrary standards doesn't mean they have nothing worthwhile to say.

Another cliquish tactic of weird Twitter. You can't create echo chambers as easily on leftypolas you can on Twitter. This is what pisses you off more than anything, you entitlement to control the discourse.

No, they implied getting into leftism in 2011 was something worth bragging about. The opposite of that isn't "they're not a real leftist", the opposite of that is "big fucking deal".

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I don't even have a twitter you oversensitive faggot. My "standards" are that you have a point and you make it. You fail at that.

All you've ever done is virtue signal on this board

I only know of one fedora poster and he's only been here relatively recently and been openly a newfag ==to this board==

I was just bolstering some other anons criticism of Chapo. So no I didn't have a point of my own to make. Any pointed criticism of Chapo brings out their fans out of the woodwork. You guys behave exactly like Rush Limbaugh ditto heads, your consuming anti capitalist politics like you consume everything else in your lives

I can't speak for anyone else but I pick on you whenever you come up because you're a massive faggot. There's a ton of people here who dislike or are ambivalent to the podcast but you're just uniquely retarded and fun to bully.

I don't care about this argument, just wanted to drop by and say it's a very "newfag" thing to do to not have a sense of meme lifespans drop old shit out of nowhere. Literally anyone can use ED or whatever.

Lmao bitch I'm not gonna take lessons on how I'm doing leftism wrong from someone who needs to be spoonfed basic concepts like what class distinctions are and what central planning is on a weekly basis

What does this even mean? You know Rush Limbaugh is winning right? Do you think people who like chapo share his politics or are you just a civility worshipper?

I highly doubt this. You do it for the same reason I criticize Chapo. It has the potential to change the public consensus. And your not picking on me, I don't get my sense of self worth from winning internet fights, I have reationships and people that rely on me in real life, that's what I leverage to fight the always encroaching capitalist alienation.

If you really do go out of your way to "pick on me" well buddy it looks like you think of me a lot more than I think about you.

I know holding thoughts in your brain is a challenge but when you consider that "thinking of you" is just "mocking you when your flag pops up" this doesn't sound as biting as you intended it

He said he purposely antagonizes even though by his own admission other anons share a distaste for Chapo.

I honestly don't know or care if I've talked to you other Chapo defenders in other Chapo threads. Don't know what youd call remembering someone then going out of your way to address them because yo remember them.

Jesus christ wtf are you rambling about? Imagine talking like this and then thinking people are using weird twitter clique tactics against you when they have no idea what you're trying to say.

We really should not let this alt-left shit pass, we should be demonizing liberals for even using "alt-right" unironically and normalizing fascists.

has anyone ever called themselves alt-left? I can only think of some guy with a blog who combined socialism with racism

"Thoughtleader" culture, meme diffusion, butterfly effect, positions of influence, and a decade of incubation. Every idea ever started in the head of a single person, user. Think of it like this: this many people actually voting for fucking Trump for president was a memetic shift far, far bigger than socjus becoming DNC policy. It was impossible at the beginning, then fact at the end.

One of them, who was only one of many who spread their zeitgeist via Twitter for about 10 years. Unfortunately for the world at large, it ended up spreading all over the media and into the Democrat establishment. Hell, it even became a marketing technique, with Ghostbusters and whatever was the Star Wars that had the Mary-Sue protagonist.

Speaking of which, that tweet is part of another carefully written "rant", this time about the alt-left.
twitter.com/ericgarland/status/887672213947678720

kekkarino

So let's counter it by adopting Shift-Left first.

Nope, it's wholly a creation of the SJW-infested media, because they're constitutionally incapable of realizing the alt-right and Trump are largely their fault.

Eric "It's Time For Some Game Theory" Garland is so fucking cringe worthy.

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Go on cum town

Alt-Left is a movement founded by Robert England, Robert Lindsey, and the mysterious "BW Rabbit"

Great job, definitely going to convince the average person with racism and bigotry.

Literally great man theory, no thanks.

Also, I used to visit 4chan and thus every person who ever used to visit 4chan and does anything of note from here on out is tied intrinsically to my actions. This is a reasonable and meaningful way of categorizing and judging human behavior and movements in the internet age.

America's "professional class" is not going to let the dems change are they?

Is it even possible to be this myopic?

I too pick on him specifically because he sounds like a faggot. Also, he's made something like 80 posts in the Chapo thread, and not once have I ever understood what his actual argument against them is, in some posts he calls them Liberal, in other posts he accuses them of being racists, in some posts he sounds like an MRA, in others he's going on rants about how Eminem hates women, it'd be kind of hilarious if he wasn't basically just ruining the thread for everyone else. And with reddit spacing at that.

Did your idea for this post originated anywhere else but in your head? Come on user, you're denying a truism. Ideas spread, the internet makes them spread faster, having connections makes it all faster still.

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I've not actually heard of that before but I'm not listening to that nor would I recommend to any friends

such as

That is not a rebuttal to the critique of great man theory. Are you sure you know what it is?

No surprise. I've never even been on SA

kek

Who gives a fuck about the prejudices of older people?

thats not true.

because liberty, egalitie, fraternity?

Honestly, the biggest thing it leaves out was that an enormous proportion of rightist goons (at the height of the Paulbot plague) were banned en masse after they lost a forum bet over the US presidential election. This caused a torture chamber effect that allowed more cancerous elements of the leftist population to become kookier and consolidate power.

Alt left has existed since the 60s and they're pic related.

"Don't do vaccines they cause autism!", "Ignore modern medicine it's just a scam by big pharma, do reiki instead"
"This strain of weed cures Marijuana and the big pharma doesn't want you to know about it".
"Brah don't drink water without a filter to take out the flouride, it will calcify your pineal gland"
"Homeopathy will cure all your illnesses, don't let big corporations trick you with what gaia already gives us"

The Alt-Left has always been hippies and super eco-greenies and shit like that.

Give me a break. The biggest thing it leaves out is that the government strategy to shut down OWS wasn't to hope for the right band of dedicated nerds to fuck it up. You seem to be under the impression that the disagreement is that "a lot of SA goons were annoying SJW dipshits" when the real disagreement is "they controlled every important cultural battleground on the internet. The only reason that screenshot is so popular is because it's the mirror image of how 4chan posters saw themselves, as some super secret club controlling things from the shadows. The truth is far more pedestrian, which is that both 4chan and SA, along with tumblr and reddit, were just full of self-important dweebs caught up in the cultural movements of the decade they grew up in, not the other way around.

The clique dominating Twitter, Reddit, and nearly all of the clickbait yellow journalism outlets, is a very particular and monolithic entity. They have a shared history, origin, vocabulary, strategic doctrine, and culture, because they are a specific group: SJW goons.

Sure, they're not the entirety of the New Left post-1970s pomo cancer emanating from academia, they're not even the entirety of the post-2007 online SJW phenomenon. But they are far and away the most aggressive, socially savvy, and noisome specimens.

They are an insignificant, tiny blip on the radar; just like every other phenomenon documented on ED. But I know it made you feel cool when you were going through middle school to be a part of something so I won't rag on you too hard.

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Who is this qt?

youtube.com/watch?v=6ItGxJilS3U