Socialism and the Right to Strike

How do you think the government should respond to a strike under socialism?

If you have a socialist state and people are still striking, there is probably a crisis ongoing, and the strikers are probably being manipulated by the CIA. That's how it worked in Chile. Strike actions and unions are not inherently communist, and if they are being used for counterrevolution, the strike should be broken.

If you have a socialist state, then the workers own the means of production and there's no such thing as strikes. Because strikes, by their nature, are a rejection of capital's demands by workers.

Well, with introspection I would hope.

What if this isn't the case though, just out of curiosity.

Literally a Holla Forums-tier conspiracy theory.

If workers withdraw their labor and protest in their workplace, that's called a strike. Period.

The socialist state has to take measures to fix the problems either way.

you socialists seem to have this very well thought-out

First look at the rhetoric being espoused by the strikers or heads of the strike. If it's reactionary then wait till they start destroying things to send the troops. If not reactionary rhetoric then the gov has fucked up and has to fix it.

We don't even know what the strike is about

Figure out what the problem is and address it.

And why the fuck would they do that in a Socialist state? That makes as much sense as a Capitalist firm shutting down because the executives are on strike.

No shit, Sherlock. And why would the workers withdraw their labor if they're the owners, they're in control, and they keep the full value of their production?

What if the lower-skilled workers feel cheated on their lower wages? What if the workers in a specific workplace feel humiliated and abused by management? I'm sure you can come up with many other reasons if you're creative — and sincere — enough.

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Labour vouchers, no big wage differentials
workplaces will be directly democratically managed and if they have a manager, he/she/they will be elected and recallable at any point. So no need for a strike when you can simply call an election and remove them.

Well, big enough to convince workers to strike.

What if lower-skilled workers are in the minority?

What if the workers are striking because they want to form factory councils and soviets that actually govern them rather than a cabal of hierarchical "revolutionaries" that crush them underfoot? Oh wait, that happened, it's called Kronstadt.

There would be no need to strike since labor would be part of the state.

Spoken like a true tankie.

it should not

What part of Democratic control over the means of production do you not understand?

If the workers are striking that's probably reflective of a wider range of problems suggesting that the workers need to seize power and assert control of the MoP (again)

Socialism (after capitalist imperialists have been defeated) will involved worker self-rule. Workplace democracy will be part of this. If workers have a problem with their state sanctioned wages then they can simply petition the government through democratic means. Strikes would be permitted but they would most likely never happen. There would be little point. The state under socialism doesn't need profit like a company does so strikes aren't necessarily a huge problem if they occur on a small scale since production can just be moved elsewhere.

… And if the government refuses?

Under socialism, if people don't want to work on something, they don't have to. An actual strike would indicate the means of production are not under democratic control. In a socialist society, strikes would be pointless, as worker participation would not be forced through coercion.

We use strikes until we get in power, then we can shoot the workers in the face

Why would they? The state would be comprised of workers. If the claim was legitimate they would take it under consideration and address it if they deemed it worthy of their attention and resources. Of course this assumes that capitalism literally does not exist anywhere on Earth and thus the workers in question are not part of some CIA backed reactionary coup or something.

Send in tanks to crush the protests, obviously.

Scratch a tankie, a reactionary bleeds.

The people are the government, strikes are not needed at all.

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Indeed.

You can't strike against yourself. Makes no sense.

Found the succdem

what if i punch myself in the face right now ever think of that

Just try it, I bet you can't.

Workers and the structure within which they operate are not one and the same. There are no reasons to believe inequality, corruption, abuse, etc would disappear entirely under socialism.