Communism will allow people to do whatever they like

Don't people like doing the absolute minimum?

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a) nobody claims this besides childish utopians
b) who is this semen demon?

No

Not very compelling tbh, Wikipedia editors and CS nerds in no way represent the average person

The broad from the alt-right's attempt at false flagging a Boston antifa yt channel.

and where can I find her?

Except it been replicated with hundreds of groups with people from vastly different backgrounds in other countries and economic systems.

Nah

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
You contribute what you can in communism. In the lower stage of communism, there is also a vestige of individual bourgeois right, IE some people get paid more than others for working more or doing more important work, and also "he who does not work, neither shall he eat."

ah man, ah, shit, human nature, woah, everyone forget it we just got BTFO communism is over forever

Yeah.

L E H U M A N N A T U R E

Of course. Can you really blame anybody? It's a logical response when we're completely alienated from our labor; forced to quotidianly sacrifice portions of our lives in order to generate value for value's sake in exchange for a wage that allows us to reproduce our daily lives and in turn continuing the unending funeral dirge marching us towards a complete ecological collapse.

Read Mutual Aid

No, that's absolute nonsense and it's shocking that people could believe it's the case.
I mean how the fuck does such an idea even develop? Is this a post-fordist thing where people are so tired from working all they can do is lie down and die?

I mean for fuck sakes, did your grandfather never build a shelf just because he liked using his tools? Is this an unusual experience? Have you never spent an hour creating highly-contextual OC that you know will only be funny for one thread, just because you think it's worth it if it'll make people laugh?

Christ, have you never seen someone draw?

lol nah

New idea, an economy built on me hanging you from the goal posts you've set in motion.

Robots fam, all day erry day

why are socdems so blood thirsty?
pretty savage tho tbh

what did she do? larp as antifa and say shit like "kill white"?
is she a trump supporter?

nah people do the MINIMUM it's true

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And communism is predicated on making the MINIMUM all that is NECESSARY.

Think about it, if the economy survives TODAY when people are fucking jacking off in their cubicles at their dead-end depressing as fuck jobs that they're only working because the alternative is either welfare or homelessness, what makes you think people are going to do any less under communism, where they can directly enjoy the results of their work in their own personal lives and their community?

fucking hell, a good ROSE post
you still need to apologise

People like doing the absolute minimum in regards to mind numbing labour.
Give a man a job he loves and he'll never work again.

With what they like? If they're getting paid?

If they still have rules in their jobs?

No

so people will still do mindless jobs under communism?

then what's the point?

Not doing 10 times more mindless labour just so a capitalist can snort coke on his 5 million dollar boat. Or worse, expand his business.

Public schools motivate people above the age of 15 around the Western world to do work without being paid, and so do universities.

Anyways that's besides the point, Socialism would pay people, it would just give the jobs that are seen as "shit" high pay and higher standards.

so people are going to live hand to mouth and starve within a decade under communism and literally nothing will work

Yep exactly what I was saying thanks for being so intellectually honest in this discussion, I applaud you Holla Forums and will now go back to masturbating.

people need to be held hostage under the threat of starvation for society as a whole to function this goes all the way back to proto civilizations thanks for playing

Sooo I suppose the workers, under the threat of starvation, would work to produce food.
I don't even

LOL

You don't get good work out of people by starving them, that's not how it works anyways.

You get good work by paying people actually, what they're worth and how much labor they do. There are too many affluent who get too much by doing nothing, this will end.

people show up to work to afford food and housing I through communists understood this. food and housing must be denied for people to work it is what motives them.

food and housing is to be guaranteed by communists while still expecting people to work out of the goodness of their own heart. this won't work even Stalin understood this so he started confiscating grain from people who only cared about writing enough to breed themselves

people need to be motivated to work under the threat of starvation if they don't they will not work

I didn't know that's what motivates school students, fucking American


Because of reasons entirely outside of that.


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Repeating yourself doesn't necessarily make you right

you're wrong and seemingly ignorant of how society actually works going all the way back to the god king proto civ days

Ironically enough this probably comes from a neet in his mom's basement.

I dunno man, I can hardly motivate myself to work for my rent and food. What motivates me to work is usually to make someone close to me happy (with me).
The things I wanna do in life go way beyond housing and food, and I'm pretty sure it does for you too.

Either way, for a while after capitalism, we'll still need to labour for our food in the shape of money or labour vouchers or whatever, but without capitalists controling production and thus the market, we can produce the important things at incredibly low cost/labour power, leaving people more free to pursue a new world free of exploitation.

nobody will work nobody will do anything I hope all you commukikes get a helicopter ride if you ever try

LE HELICOPTER RYDE

At least try to contain your tears in public spaces, Holla Forumsyp. It's just common decency.

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you're held hostage under threat of starvation simply by existing, this doesn't just go away because there's no boss telling you when you can piss

it's in your own self-interest to do some modicum of work for as long as we don't have complete automated production and maintenance, and no, not all work is pleasant - that's why communism is to create the conditions that allow for the minimum amount to be done instead of working a 40-hour week so your boss can buy himself a gold-plated onahole

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no no you have it all ass backwards, your only chance is compete automation and even then there aren't enough resources in the world to provide a first World living standard for everyone. let's not even get into the fact that society would collapse if everyone was on ubi within a generation too.

No one is talking about UBI you illiterate shit.

fantastic argument

exactly if you were taking about ubi you'd have half an argument, the entirety of society staying at home cashing neetbux cuz robots is far more realistic than the entirety of society working after all of their needs are guaranteed regardless if they work or not.

Please point me towards the post where I made any claims that people would not have to work to meet their needs.

I guess public schools don't exist.

Do you actually think socialism doesn't pay people?

by simply denying the fact that you have to withhold resources from people to get them to do meaningful work you are implicitly arguing that basically.

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There is literally no need to starve people to get them to work. That encourages less effective work.

In fact, people are usually going to do better, if you pay them what they deserve

people will forgo luxuries if it means wagecucking 2 hours a weak barely from a job they can barely get fired from after being guaranteed food and housing

the whole system will collapse people would much rather be bored than wagecuck the entire system revolves around people missing two paychecks and ending up on the street I thought communists understood this

are you actually illiterate?

I'm talking about the THREAT of starvation if you don't do anything, im not talking about doing an actual job and still starving (which some third world conditions get away with anyway) can you fucking read

You think resources just magically appear out of the illuminati jewery, and if we just remove them all resources are just *poof* commodities ready to be consumed?
What I'm saying is remove the capitalist that extracts 90% of what the worker produces. The worker still has to work, but he has to work a lot less.

Don't people like doing the absolute minimum?

Yes and this is why communism always fails and always will

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They single-handedly made a laughing stock of antifa

the worker has little that he does now BECAUSE the capitalist is holding the entire world hostage

if it were up to the worker you're right, people would the bare minimum, work for an hour a week and within a generation everything would collapse

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That's funnily an accurate description of the history of communism

The capitalist isn't holding the world hostage. He'll sell us the rope we hang him with.

he's not? I thought he is?

lmao whatever teenbro

Why aren't workers working the bare minimum now? Why are they working for jewelry, internet, fancy cars, good food, good houses etc.?

rlly good analysis of the conditions that led to the collapse of the ussr, ty


but if it's possible to keep society sustained for that hour of necessary work a week why would society collapse? really tingles my dingle

Not in any meaningful way. There are thousands of powerful capitalists that all act in their own interest. It just so happens that their interests allign when it comes to keeping workers working at low wages.

because they're held hostage and denied food and housing, people still primarily spend the most of their income on food and housing, people don't work for luxuries theyre just a sprinkling to make the whole thing more tolerable, if people were guaranteed food and housing they would not over produce at the current rate they do to buy an Xbox game once a week

so you're saying people never pursue jobs that return more once they have one that covers their immediate needs?
nobody has ever said "man I'm just making the bare minimum here, if I had a better job I could buy [x]"?

alright

Very good friendo.
Now if food and housing costs extremely little labour to produce, maybe society wont collapse just because we stop producing xbox games?

the overwhelming majority of jobs only pay enough to satisfy people's food and housing, moving from one job where you can afford a civic to one where you can afford a BMW and a diamond ring once a year is not meaningful, and is unironically a capitalist trick in of itself.

Every UBI experiment so far has disproved the hypothesis that having your basic needs met results in significant decrease in labor participation.

Source: qz.com/765902/ubi-wouldnt-mean-everyone-quits-working/

hmm

and nothing of value was lost

We'll finally discover the pure scientific ammount of bare minimum that people like doing.

fuck your society