Is humanity's progress held back by the English language's dominance? Tons of rescues are wasted teaching it...

Is humanity's progress held back by the English language's dominance? Tons of rescues are wasted teaching it, while a simpler and better language, like Esperanto, could both drastically reduce the time spent learning and improve the quality communication.

Kys

Hai.

OP is right though

Still better than the abomination that English is.

This is about as fucking dumb as people whose entire worldview centers around "everyone just has to agree with me and everything would be fine".

That's right OP. Why, yesterday I was teaching English in the classroom and when I glanced at the window, I saw a child about to drown in the river. I only had to wait one minute for the bell to end class, but then it was too late.

humanity has always been held back by the anglos

This poster is a great example of the damage the English language does to the human mind.

nothx

As opposed to the mentally agile Esperantofags, who have been making these threads on imageboards for a decade with no pay off, but are convinced it will work the next time.

natural development of socialism, imperialists suck ass, thats why english is dominant, but wont be for too long.

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Capitalists sell use the rope we hang them with. With globalized capitalism (and I don't mean it in the Holla Forumsack sense) almost everyone learns english. Why the fuck would you learn Esperanto when English can become the international language?

I agree user. Litterally any other european language is better than english.

Languages shape our thoughts and how we express ourselves. English has long been twisted and abused to make revolutionary thoughts impotent and misguiding.

Pls. The future is Spanish.
1) It's already the 2nd largest by native speakers, 4th by non-natives, and 3rd online.
2) The entire american continent will speak spanish in a few decades. It is already mandatory for children in Brazil, in the US and Canada the native-speakers are steadily growing, plus it being one of the largest and fastest growing L2 langauges.
3) It's also really simple to learn for other romance-language speakers, so quick adoption by portuguese, french, italian, romanian speakers can make it rise quickly within Europe.
4) It's obviously more consistent than english, not rather normal in difficulty and far, far easier than chinese.
5) It's also one of the largest growing L2 languages in China, because Latin America is a huge strategic market for them, and because #2

It is likely to be the world's most spoken language by mid century, leaving millions of assblasted Holla Forumsyps in its wake. What are you waiting for, camaradas?

Why bother unless what you made is objectively better?

You don't know what Esperanto is, do you

If someone held a gun to my head and forced me to pick an international conlang it'd be Interlingua. It's pretty much modern Latin.


Strong Whorfism is bullshit snake-oil. The whole 1984 Newspeak view of language is fiction. Yes, to a certain capacity languages can influence thought (like puns) but knowing one language over another will not suddenly cause you to be compliant to capitalism or a revolutionary.


Nope.


Lojban is literally unspeakable by anyone who isn't 100% dedicated to it for years. Too many specific meanings in suffixes and all sound very similar, unnatural grammar inspired by programming languages, all of the roots are obscured by algorithms 100% of learners have to learn every word from scratch, etc. I respect the language for doing something interesting, but not all conlangs are really suitable to be an IAL.

Also, while I agree Romance languages are verbose, your point about pagecount isn't necessarily valid. For instance, the insane cthonic evil of CKJ scripts.

We should just revert to Latin tbh. It's logical, precise, and elegant, unlike the wigaboo gibberish Anglos babble on with.

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That's idiotic, page count is affected by lots of things like typesetting, font size, page size etc. Word count , or rather letter count would be an important measure to consider. While english words are generally shorter and spanish does use lots of articles and prepositions, its not a 66% increase, maybe more like 15%-20%, which is rather normal.

Old spanish writing used to be verbose as fuck though, and that goes to old translations too, but it doesn't have to be. I can literally translate your entire post with minimal change in word count.

In any case you have no real argument to counter the facts, just muh feels.

Every time I come to leftypol there is a least one esperanto shill thread. I'm not a native speaker, and I don't think english is a hard language. It is flexible enough to make me understandable, even when grammatically wrong, to my interlocutor.

Esperanto is like latin but not shit.

humanity has always been held back by the human condition (i.e. language itself)

Exactly. I am not a native speaker either, but English is really one of the easiest languages around. (At least for those coming from a Romance or Germanic background.)


t. Anglo

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Correct pronounciation is not actually that important for making yourself understood.

It is if you don't want to be bullied by elitist natives.

Because English is as prominent as it is because of neo-colonialism and imperialism. It is inherently unfair to expect everyone else, especially the most poor, to learn your native language. Additionally, a neutral and easy language like Esperanto not only equalizes things, it also reduces the total amount of time and resources to communicate globally.

This doesn't refute any of the arguments against English being the world language, other than Spanish being more widely natively spoken and generally easier to learn. English nor Spanish nor any other natural language was not designed to be easy to learn and aid in international communication, nor do any of them solve the inherent inequality of a native language being international.

I'm positive no one who has learned language would actually say that. Latin is insanely complex and grammatically irregular.

Spoken English is relatively easy to learn from a European background, but its most important aspect, its written aspect, is possibly one of the hardest of any widely used language, possibly besides Mandarin, whose symbols aren't even necessary.

Everyone should learn how to speak the language of the country that actually struggles against imperialism and the expansiveness of the capital.

I agree, here's a book to get you started.

I wonder if people thought the same about French when it was the intellectual lingua franca.

What would imageboards look like during the enlightenment?

It's a gradient, and below a certain threshold people become almost entirely incomprehensible. Actually some accents of english are entirely incomprehensible to a speaker trained in a standardized accent, have you ever even been around the UK?

The arbitrary pronunciation makes *learning* harder. People can study it for years and still be mediocre at it. Even native anglos have shit spelling.


It would be far easier to adopt a widely spoken natural language and gradually adapt it over time than force a conlang.

English will be replaced not by any concerns over its practicality or "equality", but because of demographics.

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almost all of the greatest literature was written in English

non English cucks btfo

Fuck off and try harder.

An IAL is not cultural imposition because it's expressly designed to allow linguistic diversity and encourage people to keep their native language. Countless languages are dead or dying because people realize that learning native languages is difficult and time consuming and it makes the most sense to learn the language that will help you the most economically.
That's impossible and defeats the purpose of a global language. And even if it was possible, you'd still be using a saw to hammer a nail in because you're just so attached to the saw.

I can see the logic with this argument in principle, but it still feels pointlessly vindictive to me.

Like the way how shills for interpreted computer programming languages (Java, C#, Swift, etc.) bleat about how great bytecode is, but every single performance trick that allows bytecode to be performant works just as well for assembler like 80x86, without the benefit that assembler is even more efficient on at least one ISA.

t. uncultured swine who knows nothing about other people's culture

Your analogy is too complex for me tbh. But if you're implying that Esperanto is just widely shilled and isn't particularly special, then that is very untrue. It was intentionally designed to be simple, easy to learn, regular, and universal. Any learner can tell you how logical it is and how quickly you can become fluent.

No. It's just demographics. (and it's not that hard really)

People can learn second, and third, and fourth languages, they don't have to be one-language uneducated Burgers. You're arguing a strawman.

So according to this logic esperanto would be the death of all native languages? Language genocide! Gultural margsism!

The majority of English speakers are people who learned it as a second language because of economic reasons.
People can, but they're unlikely to when they need to be able to speak a certain language to succeed. Languages die because people need to learn a regional or global one, and because everyone they know also speaks that one, they don't learn or forget their native one.
All from a certain authority, and usually when the language was only used in that country. A language like English could simply not be reformed or adapted to be easier. There's English pidgins and creoles, but those are always regional because of the other language part of it.
No, that logic says that because Esperanto is so easy, learning it would be easy enough to where you don't have to sacrifice your native language. You spend a year learning it and now you can talk to the entire world fluently and easily, while you still speak your native language with your fellows.

English is dead easy to learn and remarkably good for neologisms and other figures of speech. I'd rather have it than a "universal" language that is actually Euro-exclusive and developed by a single man.