When You Learn The Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) Declared Usury Haram Because It Grows Wealth Inequality

ITT: A discussion about socialism's history and future in The Muslim World. Who were some great Middle Eastern and North African socialists and how popular is socialist ideology in the region today?

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Afroplasm? you should know the answer to these questions by now.

Should I? I know bout how Muammar Gaddafi gave his people free housing, education, healthcare and $30,000 after tying the knot for their honeymoon, but his net worth was like $200 billion. Don't seem to me like he was exactly communist, just SuccDem.

Socialism should not be tied with religion - the latter should stay a private matter


Kek, you needed somebody to keep watch at all times because if you didn't, you'd find someone else had moved in your house
Not to mention the rationing and the whole "trying to kill his own people" thing

So *were* there ever any communist leaders in The Islamic World?

communism can only be secular
religion is cancer

Take the Rafiq pill.

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Christ also called usury a sin
didnt stop the church finding a loophole though

In all seriousness, why do people try to rescue bronze-age ideologies from the dustbin of history by focusing on the bits that can be charitably interpreted as emancipatory? We have far greater ability to spin new cloth with 1500 years of philosophy and technology that Muhammed's time didn't have. Why would we not take advantage of our vastly superior position but instead look backward to people who would scarcely be able to comprehend the modern world?

the only militias that are islamist are reactionary as fuck anymore. so… yeah i think there's no real correlation here.

plus, islam is gay and stupid. i can't wait for libs to at least embrace secularism and universalism again, or if they even do. it would make them much more tolerable.


this tbh. i have a christian friend that does this too. he's always looking for that one reason to redeem his religious views, like, oh, christ and the bible weren't that reactionary!!! it turns out in X time X view was actually revolutionary and progressive you guys!!!!111

shit gets so old after a while if you have a functioning brain and see how retarded it is to let a book and fairy tales rule how you should live your life.

a good example is alcohol and drugs and sex. amazing how spooked religious people are. they drink, but at some point, you're "bad" if you drink too much, or even just more than they do.

i'm not some nu-atheism sam harris lover, i hate those guys, but i still despise religious people that take advantage of atheists and skeptics that aren't all loud and proud about their views. they do this by pontificating endlessly about their moral piety, as if we care at all, or even worse, like they are better than everyone else, even though they are full of the same flaws as anyone else.

they're always looking for some way to have their delusions vindicated by reality.

did your parents force you to go to church on sundays or something?

Because it's the subtlest, gentlest way of introducing spooked people to subversive ideas. Any ideology as ancient and broad as most religions has tinges of pretty much any modern policy you might wish to propose.

Want to sell a religioncuck on socialism easy? Wrap it in their spooks.


Religion is a vile anti-intellectual blight that should be wiped from the face of the earth, and people that grow up in truly religious households (especially those with the misfortune to be born in a fundamentalist family) get serious problems because of it. That said, much of the "religious" population, certainly the overwhelming majority in 1st-world nations, are barely affected at all by the vague superstitions they occasionally feel obligated to pay lip service to, and attempting to expunge these last traces of spookiness from them by overt rhetoric is unlikely to do more good than ill.

I like that Rafiq takes two pages of information to state the obvious on every issue. I don't think everything needs to be condensed for the sake of it, but damn this dude needs to take a writing class and learn to be more succinct.

This guy should seriously learn how to use paragraphs.
Otherwise an excellent post.

There are emancipatory strains but if you want to focus on them you have to take out the systems that enforce the oppressive strains that are themselves enforced and propped up by the west. So it kind of comes full circle and isn't really all that worth it unless your plan literally starts with Step 1: destroy the west.

Muhammad was a proto-welfare-capitalist a la Adam Smith. In fact, pic related shows that Smith possibly built his theory of capitalism on Islamic economics.

see how dumb that is?
See how that can be spun?

Yeah, checks out

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use a fleet enema bottle. Just my preference. I use the larger size, there is a very small fleet enema that can be used but it requires several more bottles shot up my ass. The larger size 5oz is quicker. I shoot 4 of those up my ass. I then get down on all 4's. I then drop down on my shoulders while keeping my ass high in the air and let that water run deep in my colon. Trust me, this will take practice as you will have the major urge to release it.
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By that point I am SO FUCKING ready to release. It feels so good to plop down on the toilet and let that eruption go from my ass. I feel like it cleanses my soul!
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It takes me 10 minutes to enema and push it out. Another 10 minutes or so of dildoing to get the water out while prepping, shaving etc.
I can be fully enemad, showered and out the door in under an hour and be 100% confident of my hole being clean for up to 12 hours after the enema.