A commune will never be as effective as a corporation, this has been proven time and time again

a commune will never be as effective as a corporation, this has been proven time and time again.
workers are just not motivated to produce surplus for the entire population when they are working in a society that doesn't manage their wealth

Define effective.


???


useless middlemen and bosses sure do motivate workers!

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they do motivate workers though. if you don't have the threat of being fired over your head, you have no reason to work hard.

when corporations produce a surplus they destroy whatever they can't sell creating artificial scarcity. Hierarchical corporations leads to waste and mismanagement that costs human lives and fails to adequately care for the population because keeping everyone fed and cared for is detrimental to their profits.

and? where do you think that surplus comes from? if the workers are overfed and overpayed, what will make them want to work hard at all?

In the very near future, Capitalism won't even be as effective as feudalism

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Oh god forbid a healthy society exist.

You're right capitalism doesn't cause unemployment

What about the jobs people dont care about?

not an argument, coercion is a necessary evil

what is the y axis on this graph even supposed to be?

I never said "paid in money".
here's a fun fact for you commie: NOBODY enjoys their job. not the capitalists, not the street cleaners, it's just a side effect of being in an advanced society where there aren't any elks to hunt anymore.

where did I mention unemployment?

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Like there's enough fucking motivation for people to do that now

Fuck off.

there is motivation, it's called "work or starve"

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The ancap said before he fucked a new child slave

NAP NAP NAP

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"not working" is not the same thing as "not being paid"

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Oh?

Sounds socialist to me

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To quote Pat the Bunny

fine, I'll rephrase it for your pedantic commie head:
if the workers are overfed and overpayed, what will make them want to provide the sufficient amounts of labor-power to produce that surplus in the first place?

Most of these problems will be down to automated services. As for everything else, how does a public school function? Students shouldn't have the motivation to work

I mean they're not being paid right?

kek

That's not the point. It's that grades influence future college chances, quality influences quantity. Students have no choice but to keep working and burn out.

And really public school extends beyond the bounds of America and the United States

who goes around the city collecting garbage?
who will build the houses, bridges, roads (haha), and buildings?
who will deliver the mail?
who will build the computers you use?

What the fuck does "effective" even mean? A commune is not as efficient as a corporation at generating profit, because that's not the purpose. Capitalism apologists pointing out that leftist societies aren't as good at competition in a market is like Nazis pointing out that other countries aren't as good at gassing Jews.

I could see this as a volunteer job, public service condition


Construction workers obviously, people who pave roads. You think people just chose jobs out of force because they would rather do something else?

What if these jobs

holy fuck

actually paid?


What if these jobs

holy fuck

actually paid?


What if these jobs

holy fuck

actually paid?

school is just another form of a longer-distance coercion:
"if you don't work for the next decade, you will most likely not have a job and a house"
it's just a decennial paycheck

Your argument is they would rather have a high paying job but wouldn't the answer to that is just to make "bbackground" services "higher paying"? That would motivate people to work

the people who don't like living surrounded by garbage and want to get rid of it
people who like architecture and are trained in construction work
mailmen. Is this a trick question?
People who like computers

Except having job security increases a workes performance and people are more likely to do a half-assed job and go somewhere else if they get fired if their boss is a cunt that fires everyone.


If there is so much surplus and workes are scraping by to even survive then whats the point? Is your end game just to give a guy with 12 yachts even more toys? Your kind likes to pretend they're all thrifty and shit but this is the global version of burning all your money on shiny fads.

Your argument seems to be that socialism doesn't pay people at this point and that's utterly fucking ridiculous

If you pay the people the value of their work they will be much more willing to do it.

so you're totally okay with a social democracy, which hopes to achieve this exact goal?

Socialism and social democracy have one thing in common

They both fucking pay people

We're providing counterpoints to your quite specific arguments you autist.

a lot of their surplus goes into banks, where the capitalists there use funds and loans to pay for further expansion and infrastructure. not all surplus belongs to the workers

Wait does he think socialism doesn't pay people?

Ohhhhhhhhhh

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I think you don't know what is social democracy trying to achieve. One of the main principles of social democracy is enforcing private property laws, which are creating people "who do not need to work"

American infrastructure is some of the worst in the Western world and you want to export that elsewhere?

Fuck off

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I'm sure the capitalits care more about the infrasctructure than the people who use it the most.

Noone gets paid for work as Capital is abolished. Instead, their work is vouched for with non-transferable labor vouchers that don't expire and can be used to recieve a fair ration.

Nigger.

jeez, ancaps really are retarded

I knew this thread was b8 after your 2nd post but now I think it's satire.

SAGE