Is the Internet discourse slowly changing towards the left?

Recently, I've been noticing an increasing amount of radical leftists on social media. In the comment sections, which used to be an alt-right safe space where you had to scroll down one hundred comments before finding a leftist voice with two likes, I see people with Marx and Stalin profile pictures outliking right-wingers, Sassy Socialist Memes on Facebook has almost one million likes, and on Twitter I see leftists trolling right-wingers and liberals. On Youtube, channels like Xexizy and Mexie are growing exponentially. Let's be honest, this is a new phenomenon - back in 2014, there was only Jason, Anarchopac and Libertarian Socialist Rants. Most radical leftists wouldn't have a profile picture and hide their powerlevel, and the dominating "left" was almost exclusively made out of social liberals, SocDems and Antifa.

The new radical leftist presence on social media seems to adopt the strategies of the alt-right: Provocation (gulag jokes) and an own lingo ("IdPol", "read a book", etc.). The question is: Will this phenomenon deflate once it looses steam, like the alt-right after Trumps election? I can see Corbyn being elected and unable to do anything he promised, like Trump. Or does this normalization of Marxist, communist language and aesthetics lead to people actually getting into theory and activism?

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Depends on if we can get people to read theory.

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Utopian to think every shitposting retard will read theory. For an online movement to survive, it needs tangible perspectives and successes.

what timeline are you posting from? because it's certainly not mine

Alt-right is deflating. The right is a melting pot made out of classical conservatives, economically left-leaning conservatives, fascists, lolbertarian types, pro- and anti-Israel rightists, etc. - Trump election made them all hate each other to the point where someone like Richard Spencer posts NazBol shit.

Holla Forums isn't really representative, and people are becoming increasingly annoyed by Holla Forumstards and con artists like Molymeme, Lauren Southern or PJW. When these guys came out, they faced almost no opposition. Now people are actually calling them out on their bullshit.

Not everyone, but getting a quarter of “the Sargonites” to read leftist theory will be a HUGE success. The problem is most of them are so young that in order for them to get books they’ll need to ask there parents for them. Most parents won’t let there kids read books written by Marx.


Leftcom theory doesn’t count as theory because leftcom theory is built on objective lies.

Your political ideology is pushed by the Mercers as a joke, I don't know how you could believe it

The spooks are strong. I've had my history professor sperging out because I used Marx as a source ONCE in a 30 pages dissertation.

What was the topic of your dissertation and what was position/research area of your professor

Feudal social relations. At one point I was shortly debating how classes constituted themselves before the formal establishment of the estates of the realm, and used Marx definition of class, and that pissed him off.

Twitter has been a bastion of the irony left wing for a while I think. Youtube still seems dominated by the right wing gamer goobers.

Adopting their strategies is not a good idea.
They have developed their strategies naturally due to their natural opposition. It is good for Them liberals but you can not use it against them really. Holla Forums is communist for the most part so our main enemy is different in nature. Holla Forums is not our main enemy, not outright, only partly. If you want people to support Communism we are going to have to target Capitalism mainly and chasing and trying to play catch-up with Holla Forums at their own game is only a red herring.

Bullshit, there's not a sliding scale of disagreement. They're counter revolutionary.

I also like the assumption that Holla Forums and liberals have nothing in common.

I thought everyone on here had realized that Holla Forums is neoliberalism

They're not neoliberals, but in their praxis they are de facto supporting neoliberal agents like Trump as some form of lesser evilism.

Nice satan quads btw

Yeah they claim to be against neoliberals but really only care about fighting leftists. Very typical reactionary behavior honestly. They talk about reforming society and removing "degenerate" elements but really all the want to do is bring things back to the way they were before the leftists showed up.

It's funny that they call us cucks, considering most of us actually don't sell out their beliefs to whatever lesser evil is available and they are willing to support everybody who is even slightly more right than Obama. For all their LARPing as fascists, Mussolini and Hitler would have probably gassed them.

This. How many Holla Forumstards do you guys think have read Will to Power and The Doctrine of Fascism?

Getting people to read theory is great but it's not realistic, a more practical goal is to develop our own Sargons and PJWs to interpret theory into easily digestible content.

it's not easy. if you're a capitalist in [current year], it's so easy to simply fight for the status quo by saying "weeow look how great everything is!!".
as the saying goes, "the burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove.", so the burden of proof lies on the revolutionaries, not the counter-revolutionaries. it's up to us to prove how our potential society could exist, and that requires A LOT on actual theory. The liberals have no such burden because we are ALREADY living in a liberal society, which is why a lot of people don't spend any real time reading Adam Smith or John Locke other than to refute it.

or they could just read PDFs.

Youtube and Halfchan are fucking disgusting, funny how facebook and twitter (which kind of suck) have more leftists, i don't know about reddit though

We have to shill Muke

Are Holla Forumsacks changing society in a meaningful way? Are they ever going to have their fascist revolution?

Somebody commission Bat'ko to go into meme overtime.

we desperately need some form of theory abriged

Yes

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Mexico has the arts and family culture. The US has frenetic drug induced satanic music and it is not cool to be compassionate. When people come in legally through immigration, this is all carefully explained to them, allowing them to make an informed choice and adjust to their decision. The caveat is that, outside the former white hating president, no one asked them to come here. It was their own choice.

We need more gulag jokes

retards are useful, shitposting is the bread and butter of the internets

THE DIALECTIC IS IN MOTION

The tide is turning.

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what a faggot.

Don't forget how in a manner of two weeks (i think) the GETchan YoutTube channel had a massive 2k member boost

To my understanding Reddit is mostly liberal with a notable leftist presence, but the leftists there are mostly a bunch of autistic SJWs. I don't actually know my way around the site as I don't use it though.

Relevant:
How could we cope if capitalism failed? Ask 26 Greek factory workers

Alt-right is a gateway drug to dirtbag left

Trump's election is the reason they are gaining steam.

Reddit has a fuck ton of liberals there. But since I use it still I can often see r/LateStageCapitalism and sometimes r/Socialism posts make it to the front page. However when that happens the posts are often locked since the waves of liberals suddenly appear and the mods can't handle it

/r/latestagecapitalism gets a bit memey and idpol, but their moderators are very harsh on liberal bullshit which is nice. It's a very visible sub; I notice it on the first page of /r/all usually once every other day. However, what gets to /r/all is usually less controversial "healthcare is a right, the rich have too much power" rather than "gulag the bourgs". However, it's still growing quickly and spreading the word more effectively than a "purist" echo chamber like /r/socialism would.

I just absolutely fucking hate whenever r/FULLCOMMUNISM makes it to the front page which I've seen it do a few times. I got banned for the stupidest shit one time since I said once "I kinda don't really like Stalin"

hes getting censored on YT

It's a shame that all the major leftist subs are run by the same/same sort of cuck mods. A friend got caught by latestagevapitalism's faggy censorship bot because he posted in "reactionary" subs like r/conspiracy. If you looked at his post history though every single post is advocating or defending Socialism.

So he appeals his ban, but because he didn't lick their nuts like a good subservient little worker they just belittled and insulted him before muting and blocking him.

IMO reddit is one huge psy op and we really need some kind of alternative

We're in it, user

I mean a GOOD alternative :,j

I think it's a consequence of YouTube demonetizing political videos.

You have to be pretty ignorant to be a right winger, so there aren't many articulate talented true believer right wingers. I'd categorize Rush Limbaugh in this camp and no one else.

The rest are grifters that hold some conservative poltics but not anywhere near the neo fascist base line of YouTube. When the money dried up due to the policy change the grifters left. I'd categorize Alex Jones in this camp.

Left wingers tend to be more educated and tend to be true believers in their ideology so they continue to post videos. I have a YouTube channel and while I've seen some of my videos demonetized I haven't seen traffic on them drop, so I think YouTube hasn't changed the algorithm and my videos are recommended at the same rate as before.

The policy change has definitely changed how I produce videos, I'm no longer tempted to make polictical videos that I think could go viral since I would see any $$$. When I make a political video it's because I really believe it needs to be made, not just cause it will do well in the market.

The internet has an incredible potential to spread the ideas of Marx to an immense amount of people. The problem is currently that alt-right retardation is infecting the discourse. However, I have a feeling that by the end of either Trump's first or second term, there will have been enough damage done by the right and enough disillusionment with Trump that people will swing back to the left. It's then that the radical left should force its way into the political spotlight.

If we gain the spotlight, I believe it will be hard to lose it/

r/latestagecapitalism is the same idpol tankie hell hole as r/socialism, they just hide it when they get an influx.

Why don't you do it like Jimmy Dore and write out your video titles like t-h-i-s?

u wot m8?

Another from /ourguy/ Aditya Chakrabortty on the IMF's recent report:
You’re witnessing the death of neoliberalism – from within

I have noticed this also.

As well as this, I have recently linked up with a couple IRL groups and they all report a little surge in membership since last year.

Also, our active userbase has almost doubled since last year/eighteen months ago or so

THE DIALECTIC IS IN MOTION

What I find with 'Sassy Socialist Memes' and other leftist meme pages is that the people who like them are mostly liberals though are left enough not to find the jokes distasteful but centre enough to just take socialism as a whole as just a joke.

In other words, theory MEMES. Condense a book into a few short sentences that capture the fundamental principles of the work. Intrigue the meme host and let him work to the logical conclusion of those ideas…

Or circulate excellent posts by this board in the form of memes, so that the knowledge remains in the memecosystem instead of rotting on someones hard drive.

Some may seem liberals but a lot do so because they need to hide their power level.

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nobody cares that you're a communist, fam. go ahead and shout it from the rooftops.
like half of my professors have openly talked about being socialists or communists in class.

That depends on where you live bud.

I live in Alabama and openly call myself a communist. Just don't be an obnoxious faggots and you'll be fine anywhere in the west.

Big city Alabama or small town Alabama cause thats a big difference.

I've lived in both. Never once been an issue so long as I didn't talk down to people or being an obnoxious faggot about it.

Similar experience. People know nothing about communism so they are interested and ask questions most of the times. You barely convert people though - the muh gorillion muh North Korea spook is just too hardcoded in the brain of every westerner.

Non-white people are easier to convert to communism. Their identity has historically been fucked by capitalism.

I guess I'm just a little baby bitch when it comes to telling people what my ideology is.

It's really hard. I come from a high-middle class family and I went to an excellent private high school. The level of education was undoubtedly very high for a high school, but even then it took me several years to break the "communism = north korean totalitarianism" meme. When I first came to Holla Forums after Gamergate I was pretty lost because I had no idea what my political leanings were anymore. My parents are left wing, dad is a marxian and mom is pretty hard left leaning. During Gamergate I became more and more "redpilled" due to 4chan, but I was more and more growing disillusioned with Holla Forums because I just don't have it in me to be racist and always suspected the economic structure of society was causing issues.

So when I came to Holla Forums it was a full-force cognitive dissonance as I was forced to reconsider my political leanings entirely now that the true face of the Left was revealed to me. I finally understood that I had been a liberal, and it disgusted me. I understood that I had transformed (partially) into a right-winger before Holla Forums. But through Zizek's talks and through lurking here I was slowly swayed.

Holla Forums is important in converting 4channers and other chan-culture populations. It presents a viewpoint that is extremely contradictory to that of most channers to the point that it incites disgust. Just look at how the mere existance of this board makes people REEE out of anger. Even I, who at the time thought of myself as left-leaning, looked at Holla Forums pretty skeptically when I first saw its existance.

In the end though, it fit me excellently. I've always hated corporations, and I think a lot of people on 4chan do too but try to reconcile these thoughts into "not ALL corporations are bad". I've always been disgusted at how entertainment became more and more formulaic to numbingly appeal to as many people as possible (I really like Holla Forums and Holla Forums). I've always worried about the environment to some degree.

I think a lot of Holla Forums are people who would be nazbol if not for the stigma against "muh karltural marxism". Unfortunately, I think a lot of them wouldn't get beyond that, a lot of their racism seems pretty ingrained

My experience with most of Holla Forums is that they spend way too much time online and only got into racism from meme shit.

memes were my gateway drug. I was like those libs you talk about. just thinking "lol those commies are silly, they have to be joking" but very quickly after that I embraced leftism with all its might. especially after I was completely disillusioned with Israel after serving in the IDF.

As a university student, I don't think marxism or communism in general is adequately tought. In my country, you can't even study polticial economy as a subject - studying economy is therefore already defined as a neoclassical. For Marx you have to go into social science, philopshy etc., and they usually look at Marx from a postmodern standpoint/critical theory. You have no idea how many people I've met that were more educated than me and were basically walking libraries but had no fucking clue about marxism. Gramsci was right.

Yeah. Where the fuck is "race realism" even a thing except on the internet? If your information on race comes from Molyneux you are truly fucked.

Holla Forums is the forbidden fruit, the BLACKED of imageboards. Holla Forumstards like to talk it down, but they all want it!

Bullshit. I got banned from latestagecapitalism because I made a joke about modern day news

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