Is HipHop Leftist? Was it ever?

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Tupac Shakur was related to, and partially raised by, a communist the United States has been trying to get out of Cuba's protective custody for decades; still hasn't and still fighting.

So you tell me

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Literally muh dick and muh cars since day 1

at least it was way less degenerate though and required skill and ryhtm instead of mindlessly talking into a mic with a monotone voice as they do today…pretty sure modern day rap is money laundering at this point

Metal was a worse mistake and it's all you pasty fucks enjoy

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Metal is degenerate actually.

99% of all music ever made is bad to me tbh

ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US

Then stop talking about it Adorno

This. Prole rappers, much like sports players, just want to be bourgs who can indulge in their desires. Just look at any famous sports player and their views on literally anything AFTER they acquire shekels. It turns into the typical hurr just work hard and you get the money bro. Hypocrisy runs rampant.

You're angry and upset over Future

yes

a lot of people rap about moving the to a socialist economy

the issue is capitalism falls apart when over 40% of the male pop is unemployed. remember in 2008 when unemployment in the US almost hit 30% and people were talking about it was going to be the end of the fucking country? that is around "normal" numbers of unemployment for the black community , that's crazy. without the support systems many of the urban areas in the US would have turned into war zones/ mad max.

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It never was.
I actually started as embracing capitalism if you go to the roots (disco rap).

Is grime Leftist? Was it ever?

Leftism is call for everyone to be comfortable, not poor. Don't use a right wing definition of socialism.

Like any medium of art it depends.

However you can look at Jay Z's turn towards black capitalism and see that a lot of people are falling for that shit.

Yes, la.

Record Companies are capitalist yes, for a long time you couldn't get ahead without a record company, while completely disagreeing with them

Why is this surprising you

All culture is inherently anti-leftist. From the days of Feudal lords who lied to their slaves, to our modern day Capitalist lords who lie to us slaves, promoting the idea of a unified culture which we exist within. From Braveheart to American Sniper, and all the adaptations of Greek myth and legend; culture is a lie.

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It's not. I'm just replying to OP.

You're right, Rap is actually produced in the Black Lodge to seduce the population as they have through thunder and electricity for millions of years

Why else do you think black people like it

I'm just replying to you. Signing with a record company, or any company, while your peers may be capitalist, does not speak for you as an individual if you are not.

You just fail to understand with your comparison, how association doesn't really matter when it comes to production of art, because for a long time record companies had universal control over who is and is not signed to be music. And a bunch of people who could be talented, could not, could be capitalist, could not, trying to get their music made.

Nonetheless this struggle against record companies roots musicians opinions about it recognizably low. Your guilt by association nonsense about the Disco in the 70's is horse shit. You look at anyone making a lot of money and promoting capitalism and record companies, it's obvious.

In my opinion Reaganite era Hair Metal will still always be worse than anything hip hop or r&b is capable of producing

They've been lied to as we all have by media barons, selling us the achievements of our so-called people? Culture clerics seek to divide the Proles, even further than black and white, they divide German and French, Irish and Brit, Chilean and Argentino, Arab and Turk, Mongol and Chinese.

This is clearly the work of the black lodge.

Calm fucking down Adorno

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metal is cool
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Trash

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You missed the point. Go ahead and actually listen to disco rap and you will see the rappers embracing consumerism and "entrepreneurship". I'm not saying they are capitalistic because they are signed to capitalist labels.

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Again, association in this context does not equate agreement.

I'm saying that, you're ignoring a complete decade.

Rappers embracing consumerism is embracing left wing ideals? Keep in mind I'm replying to OP here who said hip hop was left wing.

What decade I'm ignoring? This is from the beginning of hip hop during the late 70s

Listen to the coup

No, at this level of criticism basically all music is a sin and you shouldn't listen to it.

I completely understand what you're saying. I'm saying you're ignoring the 80's, early 90's. I'm saying you're wrong. Worse you're misunderstanding the industry you're criticizing, while trying to attempt a socialist critique of it.

First learn how things got the way they are, then comment on music history, etc.

fuck no
yeah the early 80's and some of the underground 90's hip-hop was leaning communist, black panthers, but it devolved really quickly into Black Nationalist/Nation of Islam retardation which is where all "black" leftist movemetns end just like "German" leftism or "Russian Leftism" the people stop caring as soon as their group is taken care of.

Today though, hip-hop is one of the main vectors for the psycho-physical pathogens being distributed throughout the social hubs of the West. If anything it is a primary tool of the bourgeoisie and neo-liberal management classes hence why it is played at corporate events, school socials, every house party, at stadiums etc etc etc

The pic related from Jay's new music video is hypocritical beyond belief, Jay doesn't do shit for his community or for other people. He is a former drug dealer who is tied to murders and who almost certainly has participated in money laundering schemes through his labels. I could go on, there are so many more problems with a borderline billionaire bitching about wealth inequality. The thing about Jews owning all the real-estate in Harlem and the Bronx is partially true and is an issue that Liberals and Leftists won't talk about because it opens the door for a debate about the ethnic distribution of wealth.

I liked the music and the theme to that video, the motifs were powerful and the lyrics were resonant with me but at this stage in history nothing that comes from the "media-entertainment complex" can be Leftist including Chomsky, Zizek, Jason tankie faggot, Chapo etc etc

The culture industry automatically subsumes all attempts to subvert or go around it, into itself. thus one cannot escape nor can one create new content which somehow bypasses the control system. The only solution is to defile, degrade, invert, repurpose and rearrange the media environment. Which is what certain people who may or may not be right wing have been doing for the last 4 years while the Left continues chasing its own tail and trying to start riots on college campuses.

You have a choice to not submit

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You are completely missing the point, again.
And hip hop was never leftist except for a few artists but that doesn't constitute a trend among the genre.

This is giving record companies and neoliberals entirely too much credit.

Nope.

Can you name them?

This thread is some Paul Joseph Watson shit

No record labels tell rappers to change their style and lyrics to sell tapes/discs/downloads/listens all the time and rappers like immortal technique have given in depth explanations for the type of censorship and editing that a person like Kendrick or Kanye would deal with.

Neo-liberals could be people from Brookings, people who work at Goldman Sachs, the Sunstein family, the Prytzkers, it could be George Soros it could be Beyonce. They definitely want rap going the way that it is as they actively promote and encourage it as a positive outgrowth of "black power". So you're just flat out wrong and its laughable that you think that Jewish record label owners and White bankers don't think its hilarious that blacks turned their one outlet for social consciousness into a vending machine for sex-fantasies for white and latino party-goers. Blacks were literally coerced into giving up their collective souls in the form of music so that the entire youth culture could be completely saturated in a cloud of belligerence and mania.

I honest to God have no idea how people aren't more upset about what's happened in the industry and how fucked it is that we went from Public Enemy and NWA to Travis Scott, Migos, Lil Uzi Vert etc

You need to bridge the gap between neoliberals and record companies and politically influencing people the way you say they're being politically influenced, even if there is an agenda to "influence", however broad a term.

You're giving them entirely too much credit and as this thread shows, rap is still largely divisive.

I love seeing plebs talk about music.

We had an entire generation of white kids listening to hair metal with the same message as rap, but I really don't see the amount of people bitching about it.

Rap literally exist because urban blacks circa late 1960s didn't have money for instruments so they would rap and use whatever they had for instrumentals. It's not leftist because it's really just a culture of music forced on the lumpenprole because they were denied opportunities to buy instruments or get a decent education thus rap sounds like shit is about shit in general. Rap can have leftist potential but not if it continues on the path it is.

How can a music be, leftist or not in this context.

Eminem to produce a concept album about the USS Liberty incident

All rap has to do to be more leftist is give the DJs etc that produce the instrumentals more credit than the rapper. That way idiots from the hood with a retarded childs view of the world would have to struggle a lot more to shit post all over the music industry.

couldn't have been a good thread from the very start

That's a good point.

Death to false metal btw

Why do the blacks like Hip-Hop? Is it because they are not used to full sentences? Just look at how rappers "compose", they get a beat, then they let it flow into them and come up with some shit, then they edit it and clean it up for production. there is very little thought in consumer media lyrics, unless you're amazed by illiteration and metaphor, theyre really not interesting.

This hack literally let a bird write a piece for him. A fucking bird.

The label owners are rich neo-liberals Jews, Whites and Blacks who donate to HRC and Obama and promote drug use and promscuous high risk, high roller behavior. Dre, 50, Russ, Ice Cube, Jay all promote garbage and are garbage human beings. They sit in mansions all day, cheating on their gf's and wives, getting high on crack and molly and pills, buying shit online and wasting money on expensive dinners they don't even finish. Fuck if I need to "connect the two groups" they're inseperable. The Obama's met with Jay and Beyonce, HRC met with Katy Perry and Lady Gaga. These are the two-sides of the same face. The media conglomerates that own MTV and Buzzfeed are the same companies that shill for the DNC and PROGRESSIVISM. They are the same thing. Hair metal was reaganite corporate fascist fun, Hip-Hop is clintonite corporate fascist fun

dumb as hell

*listens to hot jazz once*

Yeah, cuz everything was great before that gosh darn "Rap Music" came along in the 90s. There was no d3generacy in the 20th century! H'wites dindu nuffin!

Ewwwwww

I don't like Jazz at all I just hate Holla Forumsyps poisoning the well on this board regarding these topics when there are actual leftists and left leaning thinkers who address these topics cogently.

fuck off these are literally products of the roaring 20's and the murder rate in the 20's and 30's was absolutley nothing like it was in the 80's and 90's there is no comparison. Women did not and absolutely could not just fuck around unles they were wealthy. Those are city girls, being scandalous and that photo could have ruined them socially if it got out. Seriously stop lying to yourself, women are posting videos of them sucking other men's dicks and then sending them to their bf's on twitter as a spectacle exercise. Dude's take videos of them stacking champagne glasses on girl's asses. We're in babylon, you might be comfortable in hell but I absolutely am not

That's the best kind there is, uncultured fool!

Its actually a decent song/music video, though I wouldn't watch it again most likely as I don't want to give Jay or his label view money

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t. to pimp a butterfly is the best album ever

Nah, not even close. It's just the most intellectual mainstream Hiphop we've heard in a while.

All proles should just be gassed tbh

Join the 21st century eugenics and deep ecology movement Holla Forums

You have nothing to lose but the useless eaters you want to liberate who hate you anyway.

Shut the fuck up fat ass

this. we aren't Holla Forums, who cares about identitarian bullshit like "is X white" or "is Y degenerate". the only thing that's leftist is freedom from the chains of the ruling class.

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Gangster rap wasn't really popular till the 90s though and Hiphop in general hadn't really reached whites till Eminem came along so yeah, the 80s, 70s and especially the 20s and 30s were violent times for Americans no matter if black or white without Hiphop playing on the radio.

Also, zoom in on that picture of a menu I posted. It ain't from some highway diner, it's literally an early 20th century brothel menu offering sex acts.

Why do you go out of your way niggerfy the english language even if you're a mullato in London? Show some respect for your white non kangz ancestors.

also

funny how the majority of those "thug culture" blacks and yankees ended up voting for Trump

Do you even English, bro?

Political music in general is usually shit. Comfy tunes are best. The only vaguely political message I want to hear in hiphop is illuminati shit. That's always fun.
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scallops hotel aka milo is pretty leftist. ingrains philosophical study into his music as an extension of his passion for its study and the political messages he develops from his utilitarianism. closest thing i can think of.