Holla Forums completely and utterly BTFO

I read it.

I'd argue that this argument he goes into about memes being undemocratic because they represent a hostility to critical thinking is actually something present only in right-wing memes, and left wing memes can actually encourage a critical eye. As he goes on to say, it is potentially a problem that they reduce the political content or level of an idea, because they are necessarily simplified. This is not incorrect, but it is also not a problem. We know that humans can and do look further into ideas. That the majority might not, is absolutely not a problem for leftists. It still serves to build socialist ideas in the minds of many.

The fact that they are "in-jokes" is also not a problem for the left; the left's focus of building class consciousness ties in to this too. Memes are, quite simply, any theme or idea that can be understood, edited and contributed to by many, and still be identifiable as the original meme. Memes have always been a part of cultures, long before the internet. You can see a statue of the Virgin Mary holding the baby Jesus, but instead it's Big Bird and Elmo, but you understand the reference, you understand the meme. Memes are essentially the tool by which ideas and themes become normalized and entrenched in a society's consciousness. This is exactly how socialist ideas can become normalized too.

A socialist revolution does not require every person to read Capital. Revolutions don't happen because of political and economic theory. These are the tools of the revolutionary vanguard, the most advanced members of the working class; those leading the struggle on the factory or shop floor, those leading the struggle in the communities and councils, those that are part of the revolutionary party. But the majority of the masses will be having a revolution because socialist ideas are appealing to them now, because a class consciousness has developed in the wake of capitalist collapse, and socialist ideas have seeped into their mindset in this memetic way.

Meme culture today is not the culture of the ruling class - far from it. It is created by individual anons, on Ms Paint, it has no profit or value and it is entirely confusing to the bourgeoisie. It is a tool by which socialist ideas and themes and culture can become mass, made by the working class for the working class.

This critique you have posted comes from someone who has failed to understand how class consciousness develops, how revolutions happen.

I literally couldn't care less. History isn't carried forth by memes. What's important is the dialectical progression of capitalist political economy.

Thanks, though I have already made it clear: while I recognise that the majority of the board is shit, I reiterate that "I see the odd threads in which there is some good discussion".

With regards to my particular post, I am still getting to grips with the content and its 'spirit'. Here I refer to progressive .jpeg file loading as an analogy for one of the ways in which my mind works in the context of absorption of information via reading. I am conscious of misunderstandings and errors; I believe that when it is combined with my pedantic tendencies it constitutes a self-destructive will. This is why my post was so short and perhaps vague; I felt as if for the sake of intellectual honesty that I had no choice. Ultimately, I wish to understand it better by using a critique such as that of the individual(s) behind given that this is currently my best tool for learning. Watch as the style of my reply differs:

With the definitions which you are using and your analysis of his, you are correct. However, I see the problem as being one of being distracted from theory and consistency, call it 'lifestylism' if you will. You have already addressed this further point; I cannot offer another response at this time.

Furthermore, thanks to this reminder of the natures of memes, there are multiple layers of irony and satire which a meme can have; while a leftist may have some things which cannot be mocked at the base of the meme (the point which it's trying to drive home), there can be subversion through multiple layers (e.g. a left-wing meme simply mocking a right-wing meme but being a falseflag which appears as if the message is right-wing). It is also silly to mock things - with damaging intent - which one can find useful, such as class struggle; to do that is characteristic of a slave morality.

I already see some appropriation and repurposing of some of the more mainstream aspects of 'meme culture' (Wendy's's recent social media campaigns being an example), though the extremism which it is linked with in the establishment-liberal mind makes it a taboo.

You seem to be implying something, care to enlighten me about what it is?

*Furthermore, thanks to this reminder of the natures of memes, I remember that there are multiple layers of irony

I don't even know why people engaged in politics are trying to make memes, I've never found anything with political content "funny" in the sense of producing good jokes

Do you like them young, Rafiq?

Why have all that text when pic related will do? And why spoiler the image?

yes
no

I like Rafiq but I really feel like he goes on way too long in his posts.

You don't think the constitution of socialism isn't a duty? Are you a leftcom that thinks we gotta wait till capitalism tears itself apart? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm asking for real.

If your point is, that we will never outautism Holla Forums, you are right.
Being an asspie is not something to be proud of. The concept of autism pride came from the SJWs you so much loathe.

I wish to know whether you are contrarian children; I know about some of the lolcows who post here. You might be the false chink; how's your newly-acquired grammar skills?

I was thinking of that image. I also thought it would get more views and maybe my sense of recursive satire was showing too.

Keyword: ethical.

It really isn't. In fact, I am the architect of many confusing shitposts.

Aren't ethics good?

the left will never win - a butthurt rightists story

God I miss Rafiq. He was the bright star of revleft. And he is 100% correct.

Phil Greaves goes on about it a bit on Twitter, that the ViceJacobin-left want to turn everything into memes and coca-cola sloganeering. Phil isn't in the same class as Rafiq but he is part of the 'anti-fun' Marxists, who make the irony-memelords very mad when they ask "why can you only communicate via memes".

I think the problem with the Left is that they cannot see when the wind has changed directions. Memes are fully part of the dominant ideology and have no subversive element at all, same for a lot of other decrepit 'movements' (e.g. Weed culture).

pic related

Selling Communism as a different flavour of meme is opportunist appeal "to ready made trends" that uncritically accept the trend to begin with, as Rafiq said. If you can be 'memed' into Communism you can be 'memed' out of it. How many memes can you say really grasp Communism or Marxism on any sort of basic level? When people read 'Seize da memes of production' do you really think they grasp organised terror?

Class consciousness and Marxism is about being fully responsible and aware of your politics at a time where most see politics as just personal taste and personality, 'Ill put a hammer and sickle in my Twitter name to show I am woke'. Being "herded into" Communism via media trends (socialist videogames, socialist anime, socialist fashion, socialist memes) doesn't create committed Marxists. Rafiq is right, "We don't need most of the Left and we certainly don't need Leftists who are attracted by 'memes'"

How many memers will still be Marxists in 5 years time or even have attempted to read Capital Volume 1 in five years time?

Additionally, most of the Marxists who push memes on Twitter are more likely than not to have a terrible understanding of Marxism, just look how bad Tankie Twitter is (a section of Left Twitter who are proud of not reading). So stopping people getting 'into' that sort of Marxism should be countered anyway.

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."Leftists" who are just petty bourgeoise mad that the west doesn't care about their tranny delusions.
Probably buy overpriced Apple shit.

Socialism never had a chance, and never will.

I only buy into the intra-leftist "read X" or some other shilling for some meme author, how cancerous am I?

no

…and I swing back again. I excuse myself for buying the autism of a suspected crypto-tankie.

I don't see politics as a personal affair at all, though memes did pull me into reading some material. I once struggled over chapter 1 of Capital Vol. 1 if that counts.

If class consciousness is 'autism' then I wish to be 'autistic'. Le maymays have only helped to an extent which I feel that I can surpass.

inb4 automatic lolcow you're going on kiwifarms now :DDDDDDDDD

Not everyone can become a glorious communist overman; I'm seriously thinking about advocating the construction of waste-based societies and bunkers just as I used to.

Is this Rafiq or is it the more likely A.W?

This is absolutely fucking hilarious

No wonder this clown gets so angry when people use humour to undermine him:

revleft.space/vb/search.php?searchid=971393

Good for you, autist

You are Holla Forums-tier, go back.

not an argument

This guy really shouldn't use 'narcissist' as an insult

He makes good points but also seems to have legitemate autism to not understand the dynamics of humor as a part of human interaction and development and literally ascribes mockery of people taking things seriously to postmodern cynicism. Im not a scholar of any kind but just from reading Canterbury Tales and about Diogenes it's pretty clear that what in the internet are ironic memes are hardly new at all and the only difference is speed of propogation and the various visual mediums it can take.

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ebiN :DDDD:DDDDD

Would you mind arguing against Rafiq's position on the matter, Axel?

He is 100% right in that, if one thinks shitposting here or anywhere is meaningful beyond personal diversions and socializing, that one is an idiot.
His talk of it being inherently rightist is a bit much though. Meme culture is just as good or bad as any other kind of consumption of the other commodities of spectacle. To the degree that we are constrained by the he spectacle in what we can still do, we are forced to consume its commodities, and in that way, memes are just as bad as anything else. But being forced to consume the spectacle's commodities does not make one a rightist, any more than having to work to live makes the labourer a capitalist/rightist.

Links to studies please

There's a difference between reading a forum post and lit fam.

Not true, shit as Holla Forums may be it is an outlet for propaganda and redpilling stormcucks, and one far more effective than reddit or twitter. This is in fact the benefits of socializing and shitposting as we spread ideas through humor, as people who would normally never be exposed to leftism come into contact with diluted shitposts about capitalism being shit and so on. You also have a small penis and should be ashamed.

If a long ramble on why some guy who's clearly too autistic to understand humor thinks the left can't meme makes you question if socialism is worth it then you are exactly the kind of "flavored" socialist he is talking about.

With any revolution there will need to be a support by a large percentage of the population. No revolution has succeeded without a large amount of grunts. These people most likely barely read anything of the in-depth political writings that have been read and written by the people who are in the higher up more core positions of the revolution. To think otherwise is very idealistic and not based in reality. Memes, while most of the time are just for shitposting, also can serve as snippets of information for more common man grunts to understand.

Who?

And he doesn't have a 'position' on the 'matter', the post in OP contains nothing but the feverish rantings of an internet pseudo-intellectual (clearly mentally unbalanced - see

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claiming that internet image macros cannot be used by TRUE socialists because they're principled, moral individuals who take the sufferings of the proletariat seriously.

And all this with the felix dzerzhinsky 'terror' quote as his forum signature.

Only a tankie (in case you're confused, this means 'mongoloid') would take anything this retard has to say seriously.

Where is the argument against him? You have just called him a poopoohead.

The argument is that position is utterly senseless and demonstrably untrue, and this can be seen from just by browsing this fucking board, unless you're convinced that no one here is a 'real' socialist because they attempt to illicit humour from each other using .jpg pictures.

*elicit, but my point stands.

Be that as the case might be, you are fundamentally wrong. First, Holla Forums cannot be an outlet for propaganda because there is no organized ideology behind it. And second, exposing people to leftism in that way will not mean anything substantial.
If you take seriously the idea that the capitalist system must be revolutionized, and you claim that something helps in that regard, you have to show how that would help, and that first of all entails that you know what is to be done to make a revolution happen.
Let us for a moment assume that you are a ML, so that you do have a fairly concrete vision of how to move forward. Now ask, what can memes do for you? One possibility, the most basic form, is that people are exposed and internalize the meme as an isolate. "Stalin did nothing wrong" is now information contained in someone's brain. What does that practically mean, though? It means that, when prompted, someone can say "Stalin did nothing wrong", and be contented that the meme in itself has been reproduced. To be a carrier of the SDNW meme does not entail any kind of knowledge of ML, understanding of the phenomenon of Stalin, etc. All of those require many extra steps, which cannot be taken at the level of meme culture. Only if the subject is incentivized to gather more in depth information regarding the meme, is the exposure in any way meaningful.
But it is in the nature of meme culture that there never is any deeper exposure. A normie who opens up his memebook every day and reads only the pictures with big captioned text of the day, will never become a more revolutionary subject just through that exposure if it does not also reform his consuming of media and information.
What I'm saying is, millennials might already be a lost generation because of how technology and capitalism has transformed their way of receiving information and conducting social relations.

Every time

That is almost right: very few people in this shithole are here for any serious politics. I guarantee that most browsers will have become liberals in a decade unless something equally serious gets them to reconsider their goals. What is the purpose of calling yourself a socialist or communist if at the end of the day you're as good as useless to the communist movement? There is none.

People are defending memes and shitposting as forms praxis and propaganda

How do you know this?
Does having a sense of humour preclude you from being a 'serious' socialist/communist?

Again, how do you know this? This just seems like a ridiculous, elitist generalisation. Do you think revisionist MLs are the only TRUE communists?

Again, what would you define as useful/'serious' enough?

Should we go and join our local communist parties?

Because most people here are neither reading theory nor militating in a party.

No, but the fact that, again, most people coming here will never amount to anything unless they are seriously made to reconsider their ideology is enough for that.

Educating yourself in theoretical matters and rebuilding the communist parties. I'd say that even someone who is initially very ignorant can come to be a good communist if he is actually determined to pursue his education.

That's what I've been saying all along ya doofuses. But you don't want to listen.
Memes, imageboards, most anime are reactionary.

Read , CIA shill(s). If you wish to make memes then for fuck's sake, you'd better:

1) rigorously see to it that the memes are accurate in representing their intended messages (this can only be done by consulting, formulating and discussing theory; even pushing peole);
2) effectively promote a unified and organised message and ideological front by establishing what is and is not communist in the program which it demands (such surface-bound sectarianism will only weaken the movement for everyone and intra-movement disagreements would be better in communities where there is a great display of intellectual ability);
3) ensure that the relative chances of people reading theory and undertaking other relevant studies after seeing a small number of the memes are high.

If you want the same 'lefty' memes that we've been spouting for ages and epin games then try and take over Holla Forums; you might even have a shot with all this shit happening to the right in these corners of the web. If you can't have standards while embarking on a political journey then you are simply not fit for it and just another LARPer. Are you a communist or an average teenager who just found the next great fad? The latter are useful idiots at best.

…then class consciousness must be reserved for such an 'elite'. At this rate we'll need to make a series of invite-only communities.

SJWs aren't leftists

Sorry to tax your attention span. Here's a funny clip to divert you.

Is exactly my point and that's what makes up the majority of people involved in revolutions.

But the imageboards are what enabled Holla Forums's "brocialist" interpretation to prosper in the first place(thanks to the anonymity I assume)
And how does anti Dubya posting from the bygone times as well as shitting on 9/11 or Jesus weight onto your argument?

Yet again, how do you know this? Your second point I can understand because few people WOULD join a communist party, but why are you so convinced that you can't read theory and shitpost with memes at the same time? I see plenty of theory discussions going on here, in fact I find it very impressive, far more so than anything else I've seen on a chan imageboard.

Most people coming here - and let's just be honest - are also barely literate. For such people, surely memes serve an extremely useful purpose in easing them in to communist theory?

I'll tell you what won't work - telling them to fuck off when their behaviour doesn't meet the exact specifications of what a 'true' communist should do.

And that's what plenty of people here are doing, as evidenced by the many discussions on theory.

Again, people are not going to reach this level overnight, nor are they going to spend every waking moment reading Marx. People need to be eased into it, instead of being told that they're worthless because they haven't read 'Capital'. If this is the position certain people on this board want to take, then why even pretend that you serve the interests of the working classes.

I'm not even going to bother if your only response to anyone who disagrees with you is calling them 'CIA shill(s)', you infantile fuck. Jump off a cliff, and soon.

He's compensating for lack of length in other areas.

That does not mean it can not produce propaganda. The porky meme and debunking stormfags are examples of this.

Why? Through porky I have personally got 3 people to read some Marx and Kroptokin. They may not instantly become Sergey-tier revolutionaries but they are educating themselves on socialism, which is much more meaningful than being ignorant normies.

Not everyone who thinks you're a faggot is on the cia payroll fam.

To flesh out my one sentence reply. You're right in that most people here are useful idiots. And what I was going at was that in most revolutions that's what the majority of the participants who aren't at core parts of the party are. I doubt any of the peasants who partook in the Soviet revolutions or Chinese revolutions read very much of the theory the people that were the core party members have read or written.

>if you don't like my 'POLITICALLY INCORRECT OPINIONS' you're an suhjuhwuh

Pic related. You can fuck off now.

We are talking about a propaganda war which must be headed and supported by people who won't slip away into reactionary currents with the slightest nudge. Even if the best way to appeal to the masses is with loosely-repetitive and half-baked shitposting, we must still draw as many of the masses as we can to higher levels of class consciousness to ensure that they remain within the communist movement. Vaguely-speaking, it is a pyramid-like scheme.

For such an increasingly-powerful power of discourse, why do we rarely have rigorous and in-depth discussion threads? The best I've seen were the 'future left' threads in which I felt like I could understand theory: it lead me to read Cockshott & Cottrell's TANS and sparked my interest in Farjoun & Machover.

Where in the thread is there a proposal to automatically be so exclusive without giving them the resources to read and learn?

…out of how many threads, most of which focus on barely-relevant news at best? How many visits do these threads get and how many people learn from them?

One doesn't have to be polite to make a sound point, CIA.

The anti-Stormweenie meme can be used by liberals and the Porky meme is ripe for use by anyone, sometimes even Holla Forums (as evidenced by the hybrid of the meme with the happy merchant). What are we 'communists' doing for the communist movement?

Congratulations, you'll get your medal in the post. Even if they're strangers, that's thanks to your ability. People aren't going to select and distribute memes in the same ways that you will; furthermore, I really wouldn't get so hung up on the unwarranted self-importance when you'd be easily crushed by a mob of police and a horde of reactionary crowds supporting them, online and offline. You seem like quite the faggot here to me.

Look for a second to the proportion of threads dealing with theoretical matters compared with shitposts. The first get posted in, but nowhere near the extent that shitposts do. When the first also deal with someone who has been constantly been the subject of memes, shitposts also ensue, like most discussions dealing with Mao or Stalin do.

The poster above deals with this well enough when he says this:

because many memes that get posted here are not about anything serious (see for example the cancerous nazbol meme, which fortunately has stopped being posted as much). I actually like those videos that get posted here, like Parenti's or some of the videos Ginjeet posts at times. In fact, kapitalism101 is also very useful for this since while they can become serious, they can also become memes of sorts, though not in a jokingly manner.

I'd rather we make condensed information that is not trite and which can arouse someone's spirit (like seeing the class struggle in action, for example), because that was what probably led me to reading and not just shitposting memes here all day. See these videos for example.

I'd love if people got redirected to >>>/marx/ more often, because people seeing that board will probably be less likely to engage in stupidity and read the many and long arguments there, even if they are not always right.

Could you otherwise not have convinced three people to do so? The porky-meme here is just a superfluous element, and you are the actual mover. Memes of the imageboard variety don't do anything that a conversation won't do, and can never do anything on their own. To the degree that they bait people into conversations and whatnot, it might as well have baited them into rightism. It's utterly random in that regard, and leftism might well have been better of before the need to do this arose.
You might make the argument that our current information environment is so poor that leftists memes are needed to even simply perpetuate leftism of all other varieties in people's minds, but at that point we have already lost. We are then already waging a war, a competition, at a level of representations which are utterly commodified. It would be as if you tried to overthrow capitalism by trying to out compete all capitalists with co-ops, except that the environment in which memes perpetuate is even more distorted in favor of the capitalist than our relations to production are, because the way they receive them is mediated by capitalist platforms. So if you claim that such a war is necessary, we have already in fact lost.

reread my post, lad. I'm not a nazi

It's a good concept, but think about how many people actually read regularly nowadays? You think the majority of the population would just be willing to start reading a bunch of books on political theory all of a sudden?

I mean like, you know the old saying: You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink, and statistics show most horses aren't gonna drink.

Yes, as practically anything can be repurposed. Look at Karl Marx being a reformist in some videogame.

I don't know what we, as a group of over 1k people are doing. I know anonymous image boards are confusing to redditors but we don't keep track of each other here.

That doesn't mean I didn't use the tools made by comrades from here.

I don't. I'm not some larping faggot who think I'll be the next lenin with my 10 man marxist-snowflakist party.

Yes, one guy or 4 friends would be crushed by cops. The point is to grow the group and link up with other groups.

I'm afraid even if I was you wouldn't be my type.

Probably, but porky was a great ice breaker so to speak. I get them to laugh first then srart pushing ideas and reccomending lit. The meme is a useful tool for this, and while not a nessecity is something that shouldn't be discarded.

I think of you as being an unusual false flag given that you can't demonstrate that you can differentiate between a PSA and a small-scale joke. The latter is far more ripe for misinterpretation given the sheer numbers of laypeople on the web.

This is a problem which I have; I have sometimes overcome it using some amount of willpower and interest. Furthermore, some don't have problems of this sort. Training is essential!

I am concerned with the likelihood of appropriation; a direct and scathing critique of capitalism and liberalism is far less likely to be spun into liberal ideology without severe 'castration', for lack of a more effective word in my mind. Rather, reactionary outlets will try to dismantle it and at best (from their perspective) commit the fallacy fallacy given that they believe that to argue against a Marxian's thoughts is to argue against Marxian thought as a whole!

…so instead, we look for telltale signs. Read .

I have neither said nor implied that I'd be in the inner circles of some revolutionary party. Instead, I would like to see discussions regarding communism much more than another barrage of e-celeb threads which you e-niggers still can't get under control despite the existence of the /leftytrash/ thread in addition to some devotion to the political movement which we collectively claim to follow. If that's too much to ask then maybe I should fuck off to /marx/ after all.

Keep up the snark, your deep state masters'll pay you a few cents more.

I reiterate: it was the situation in which you deployed the meme and the particular meme you chose. People aren't going to select and distribute memes in the same ways that you will.

Then you're an idiot. Holla Forums using a porky edited to be a jew doesn't remove our porky memes, nor would a liberal version of porky drumpf being smacked by a heroic hillary or some otber such nonsense. Our memes still exist and still have their uses.

I can shitpost and read theory, organize, or anything else. Shitpost threads are popular because they fit the chan format, theory threads are not as popular because by the time the pdf is read it has been pushed towards the bottom of the catalogue.

But I'd wager that is what you want and fantasize about.

Then make those threads and bump them you retard. Instead you're whining about shills and being a massive faggot.

You could also go back home to reddit.

That'd be nice, soros hasn't delivered my payment for subverting the white race so it'd be cool to get paid by someone.

And without Holla Forums I would've never had the meme in the first place. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

okay, back to r/the_donald with you

You take after zizek well.

You must have amnesia for you cannot recall what happened to the anti-globalisation movement and revolutionary wings of progressive identity politics among several other things. It is not just reactionaries but other 'communists' which we must be wary of. I wouldn't say that you know; I am sceptical of the notion that you are a communist at all.

>>>/marx/

Come back and tell me what you've seen. Regardless, the imageboard has shaped the ways in which people act: the focus is on actions here.

I know the feasible limits of my individual power, RedPanels.

You really are running out of steam, Mr Wilson. Unfortunately for you, I've brought 'friends'.

Holla Forums-tier analytical skills; more confirmation for me. Let me remind you about who's more likely to be a Redditor…

You can follow your colleague if you wish.

*I wouldn't say that you would know

living-under-a-rockfag here, who is Rafiq and why should I give enough of a shit to read his 96 Theses?

oh no he ripped off our meme whatever shall we do
eat a dick
No, you just share a mutual love of watching the your walls o text appear on the screen when you post them, and your denial in in no way suspiciously specific especially since nobody accused you of being Rafiq
Sombody's forcing you to post here at gunpoint? That's terrible
This needs to be edited into that centrist countersignal, or possibly used as a snowclone
Hahahaha holy shit nobody fucking cares, and the fact that you're trying to argue your point on social cred in a place where posts are and should be judged on their individual merit rather than that speaks volumes of your intentions, understanding of how this place/boards work, and level of pompous self-absorption. It also makes me incredulous that you've really been here for a year, or if that's so, inclines me to believe you're on the 'tism spectrum somewhere.
yeah okay that's pure bullshit
No True Scotsman would ever crack too many jokes or eat meat or whatever it is that I bitch about you doing in my essay that by its length defends itself against the possibility of being read.
Cool, see ya. Say hi to buttholechan or r/socialism or wherever you go that's so much better
You return for the (you)s
???
That you shrillcen? If not congrats on being indistinguishable from the village idiot.

Is he the guy that posted the longwinded, verbose but ultimately insubstantial screeds against Jim on Holla Forums a month or two ago? lol

Okay you've now demonstrated that you don't know jackshit not only about boards, but about this site in particular, and about basic bitch nettiquette and safety.

t. Rafiq
No, the sanitized, watered-down memes are like that. They're not a hivemind or a unified culture or anything else. There are still recent, popular subversive memes. Off the top of my head there are countersignal MSpaint scribblings with text picking apart disingenuous or otherwise crappy arguments, pissed-off advertising artists sneaking Goatse into adverts, hentai of political figures, filk songs making fun of and bitching about hotpocketry and DRM, dank political charts that speak many a true word in jest, Picardiae, Lankyposting, Jannyposting, He Does it For Free, greentexts about the future microshaft has in mind and probably more.
So decrepit it's being legalized for recreational use in a few more states?

Link doesn't work, is he so asstrashed he deleted his post? lel

I'll have to check those out, I hear Canterbury Tales has some good fart jokes.

zozzle

Nice reddit spacing faggot.

Was not what I wrote at all. Reread the post you retard.

A dead board.

So I'm Holla Forums, reddit, red panels, and the feds. I'm truly rolling in the shillbux.

I just find it highly unlikely most people will fall the same path you or I do. Especially if it's some average joe who's never concerned himself with philosophy or politics in his life and only cares about making sure they, their spouses, and their friends are happy.

you already lost, revolution was "deconstructed" by idpol (Foucault Deal with the Devil), memes are exactly what we need

OH MY GOD HE ACTUALLY DID

IT'S ACTUALLY HIM IN THIS THREAD

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA

And adding on that in their free time all they do would be browse facebook, drink, and watch movies or whatever and never recreationally read

Riotous laughter is in response to this:

Hi, Holla Forums!

The fundamental issue with your complaints is your assumption that all imageboards are de facto hug boxes; Holla Forums set this precedent because they are mostly newfags being pulled around as useful idiots by American feds. Our BO is a half-normie idiot, but as a community we are practically driven by a compulsive need to at least mildly disagree with each other on everything.

Some dumb kids have threads where they try to pander ebin maymays to normies on social media or whatever, but this is not representative of some kind of global agenda.

Who him? I'm nobody important or famous, just one of the friendly neighborhood syndicalismfags. This site is the only place online I regularly post on. Responding to the wrong post?

All I said was the link didn't work. Screencap?

Nigger points: 12

Nevermind I think the link just expired for some reason, try this one:

revleft.space/vb/search.php?searchid=971498

As you can see, 'Rafiq' is a bit of a cunt.

this is next level

I kinda don't agree with the whole not everyone needs to read theory. Maybe they don't need to read Capital but they should read some theory otherwise they will fall into traps like white nationalism like all of Trumps voters did.

YOU LEAVE COMRADE STRAWMAN OUT OF THIS

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I know who OP:

your mom

You are a retard and it's obvious from the spacing and "nigger points" you're not from around here, fuck off back to reddit rafiq.

Just like moot

Never understood the love for that cunt

>>>/tumblr/
Why do you people even bother coming here? Go away.

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I feel like OP and a lot of posters sees memes solely as a propaganda tool instead of an affirmation to a shared identity which was what it was originally intended to be tbh

Rather, I think that they can be useful but not as they are now.

hahahahaha holy shit
??? are you by any chance that guy who I argued with here on election day who wanted me to vote for Trump? The one who rebuked me for misusing Dale Gribble pix?
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Yea I guess but then the meme stops being something to share with your fellow travelers but to the masses so usually the memes is altered to be propaganda.

See the first picture is a classic meme. It is meant to be shared to the converted for shits and giggles. The second is a 'weaponized' memes. That is meant to be shared to the uninitiated to convince or educate. I am sorry that I can't seem to find the words to fully described how the 2 pictures are different but i hope you can tell the difference

They can be used to reaffirm, intensify, break down or spread it. And some of them don't do any of those that. They're just a vector for expression tbh.

fuck I need to swap 'em despite recent usage by other anons

*helped to make

I agree but I think that a lot of people including OP assumes that humor/irony is the only way for memes to spread when i think it is based on whether the meme can express or expose the solidarity between the sender and receiver

Well here is another 2 examples I found

Nice i wish i knew how to make memes

Same as before. First is for the converted, second to preach to the uninitiated

All I did was add a two supernovae effects before boosting the saturation a fuckton. Memes aren't hard to make, hence the shit qualities of the messages (if there is one, most memes don't have and don't need a message).

Both of these memes are just current affairs shit; it's nothing next to some of the crap on leftybooru.

Ban-evading, are we?
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Of course but i am trying to separate memes to classic (for solidarity) to weaponized (for propaganda).

See two portrayal of Striner and note how only one display the contents of his ideology while the other merely reference it

libcom.org/library/activism-amadeo-bordiga
libcom.org/library/nihilist-communism-monsieur-dupont
edensauvage.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/against-left-and-right/

fuck leftism

communism isn't leftist

communism is the abolition of capitalism

Wrong, I was swapping the opening symbols on each line.

Firstly, I don't wish to be the arbiter of whatever a 'real communist' given that I'll probably fuck up the definition. Secondly, I've already shed light on the fact that I don't wish to be some bureaucrat. You sound like you crawled out of /liberty/ with all these accusations and all this snark. Do you waste hours of your life on TF2 and try to act tough despite being a emasculated sod who gets BTFO by tomboys?

On the contrary, I merely have standards. Most shitposts are quite monotonous; it's like cramming different styles of pop music in one's head.

lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=autism

But some of them are, though (in this particular thread).

Maybe you're proving my point for me in giving me training.

First is good for setting a general atmosphere; the second is a better example of a post which leads one to read theory. Would it be less effective to post the name of the source in the second one?

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About fucking time, been trying to post this shit for a while now on this board.

Tine for some real content