"Redneck Revolt"

This sounds like a great idea ngl. Dual state action at its finest.

Thats exactly what we found. We were approached by interested black and latin people who were interested despite being very nervous about the name implying a white oriented organization. We want to remain very closely affiliated with Redneck Revolt and hopefully set a precedent other urban areas can follow. Our program has the same priorities as Redneck Revolt – organizing the working class in honest ways avoiding bourgeois liberal passive aggression. We are specifically targetting reactionaries for recruitment and conversion because most working class people are reactionary, and better to convince one reactionary Cletus or Jamal that socialism is in his best interest than 5 Chad and Emmas who will only be socialist as long as it's trendy and they can claim moral high ground.

I've been trying to get a group like this off the ground in leafland, except we've also decided to cut out terms like socialism while promoting socialist ideals and framing them in terms of popular self sufficiency. So far we had a framework but we haven't gotten anything done outside of setting up the foundations of the group, mostly due to lack of discipline among members (myself included tbh.)

That picture is pretty cute.

Where in Canadia? Leaving out the term socialist is an interesting angle but I think ultimately might be more trouble than it's worth. I find the most effective is honesty of intent paired with enough patience for the dumb bullshit reactionaries and liberals think that you can spend the time to convert them.

Fist of all, I just want to say you guys are doing great work, and the Left really needs something like this right now, so thank you. Secondly, the Panthers are honestly the closest I think the US ever came to something like a true leftist Dual Power scenario, at the height of their presence in Oakland, so hearing you're going to post up urban chapters is extremely exciting, and I look forward to seeing how this pans out, as well as helping if you guys ever post up by my neck of the woods. All that said, I do have a question for you, although it's fair if you don't want to get dragged into polemics and bullshit, but I was wondering what RR's thoughts on the Red Guards and Serve the People are, since they seem to want to do something similar to what you guys are doing.

Funny you mention that, theres actually an 80 year old moaist woman in our branch. The Red Guard Party is a great example of what were trying to do, especially in the way they adapted their program to their particular community. Learning from their mistakes though we need to make sure we are militant enough to be taken seriously as radicals, but unlike the Red Guard not declare war on the government right away and get stamped out by alphabet soup.

That's fucking awesome.

Yeah, idk why they didn't just push a self-defense narrative, but i get that even RCP Canada considers itself in the earliest stages of a PPW too, so maybe it's just an MLM thing. I've donated some money to them because they keep getting arrested, and I definitely feel a great deal of solidarity towards them, but I think you guys are taking a more reasonable route, given the current material conditions.

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Definitely. Thanks for the support comrade, means a lot

please dont let your sexual pathologies cloud your judgement friend

i guess when all you want is lukewarm reform anyway you probably dont have as much invested anyway

Oh, I'm sorry user, did that post trigger you? :^)

Why do virgins always have the strongest opinions on sexual pathology in other people's politics?

The black panthers promoted racial segregation so a multicultural version would trigger any black panthers member.

No one gives a fuck what your textbook in texas taught you

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I actually learned it off Wikipedia.

Wasnt it Mohammed Ali who said the following:

They promoted a black only organization at a time of overt Jim Crowe racism, and even then actively worked with an encouraged the growth of white and multiracial organizations. Public consciousness has changed a lot since the government """compromised""" and has been pushing the narrative, that middle class americans gladly accept, that the civil rights movement was at all effective at anything other than consolidating alphabet soup and giving them a lot of practice with suppressing and manipulating public opinion.

Right now, liberals have adopted self-segregation in the name of progressivism, and celebration of racial particularities has been accepted and promoted by both wings of capital. The radical position now is to acknowledge the harsh reality of cultural and historical divisions between races and still insist on the universality of suffering being grounds for solidarity regardless.

Muhammad Ali was more influenced by the reactionary Nation of Islam and his friendship with Malcolm X than he was by the Panthers.

As I understand it, they wanted blacks and whites to live happily but separately side by side.

Ironically, the KKK were promoting the same message once the whole lynching thing fell out of fashion.

Its a good quote though. Ali is a smart guy.

I spend half of my time North of you his in New York City where I'm from and the other half in uni in Baltimore south of you guys. Do you guys have a presence in either of those cities and is there anything I can do to help?

Literally not true.

Who where the White Panthers? Who were Weather Underground? Who were SDS? What was the Rainbow Coalition? The main thing that separated the Black Panthers from various Black Nationalists was their rejection of black separatism, it was the main debate between Stokely Carmichael and Huey Newton, SNCC believed that Black Liberation couldn't be won with alliance to non-black people and groups, while the Panthers always believed that Black Liberation could only take place through a larger struggle for Proletarian revolution that would encompass all races. Also, you need to go back.
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Sorry to repeat post but this is a good point.

I was brought up in the 90s and back then we were taught not to focus on peoples race or treat people differently based on something they cant change.

In the modern era we are meant to look first at peoples race to prejudge how oppressed or muh privileged they are so we know how to treat them.

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Was not a panther

If you're going to troll at least put effort into it you Holla Forumsyp.

He may not have been a panther but he was a smart guy none the less.

How does separatism help the broader struggle? How would it not just end up creating completely isolated and atomized communities vulnerable to white supremacy? Where is their access to resources? Where is their access to infrastructure? It's really nice that you were raised in the 90's and think you're colorblind or something, but race doesn't exist in a vacuum, of course there are Black people who wish they could escape White America, it's a hellhole for them, but don't pretend the reasons this idea appeals to you is out of good faith and solidarity. At the end of the day any Black community that wanted to escape White America would have to do so in the very heart of the reactionary State. So tell me, how is that feasible? And why is solidarity between different races and smashing down these ridiculous barriers not a far more realistic, and ultimately far more positive goal?

then what the fuck happen? how did rural districts become capitalist cucks?

Somebody should add Ethiopia and Afghanistan.

Northern Ontario. Honestly the decision not to mention socialism was more geared towards apolitical or politically ignorant people, who typically agree with socialist concepts like workplace democracy and an end to exploitation if you explain them in their own terms without the socialist label. They way I see it we create a rhetorical trap, since our ideas speak for themselves without a label, and if somebody accuses them of being socialist then it forces them to admit what socialism is and isn't.

Some of the most thoughrouguly reactionary parts of America today used to be the most revolutionary. The IWW had its strongest support in places like Virginia.

When typical working class jobs fell by the wayside cultural signifiers were introduced to signal that someone is "working class" in place of the actual jobs. Suddenly being working class was about driving the right trucks and having the right hobbies, and once an identity becomes the target of consumerism in this way it's not a far leap for those who count themselves within that identity to become corporate stooges.

that doesn't explained how and why it changed.

It was likely part of the broader union busting effort which affected the whole country. The reason why it was so extremely effective in the South probably has something to do with other issues like religion or race polluting the discussion. For example a moderate Christian from Detroit may have a harder time believing that unions and socialism are bad than a radically religious and racist coal miner from Virginia who takes offence to leftist anti-racism and secularism. Anti-socialist propaganda more likely appealed to Southerners on these grounds rather than economic ones.

Unfortunately no, we've only been active as this second organization for a few months now after regrouping when Redneck Revolt wasnt growing in Philly. We have about 15 people and do reading groups every week and have had 1 BBQ and then have this BBQ/self defense seminar coming up. So not a relatively small group but everyone is motivated and involved so I'm optimistic, a lot better than the other leftist groups I have been involved in.

If you ever want to take the train down or up for a BBQ we could arrange someone to pick you up we can definitely arrange that, would love to have you. The point of the BBQs is that theyre entirely open, low pressure, just a space to relax for anyone to talk about anything, and also gives us a space to advertise for our reading groups (and soon our gun training events/tabling at gun shows). We have a Tubman-Brown Organization facebook page you should follow

meant to say we ARE relatively small. sorry these posts are sloppy posting from work

You are an example to us all, comrade

That does make sense and I can definitely see it working very well potentially, I can also just see it sputtering out for lack of interest in something presented as mild before youre able to turn the rhetoric socialist effectively.

Not even trying to dissuade you at all tho, us presenting ourselves as radical is as much a gamble as you presenting yourself as moderate.

I don't see the difference.

Hungarian flag got fixed.

Unfortunately I'm going to be away for that week, so I can't go down for the barbeque. I already found your fb page though and I'll be on the lookout for stuff you guys are doing in the future.

Great! Hopefully when we get some gun training stuff going this fall you can get down to something like that.

Reminder that if you live in a highly cucked area, buy black powder fire arms.

No it isn't it has tl do with the fact that farmers get sunburn on their necks. You literally just made that up.

Hearing about the progress of the RR really does warm my heart. There may yet be a chance for my fellow Southern comrades.

Its both, fam, calm your shit

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

No region is a monolith. What happened was politicians and businesses started pandering to racist assholes and making them cops or security. Over time the repressive and hierarchical views were imposed as a hegemony. The identity of the region shifted, and being working class (particularly in the south but also everywhere) became more associated with racism. And a lot of people don't really know and/or appreciate this, but lynching used to happen in the US into the 60s. When you whip up a bunch of people into a mob, some of them pretty young, it makes them complicit and reinforces their identity as part of their very racist tribe. Capital and its supporters like the KKK did a lot of work trying to divide people along racial lines, and thus empower racism as a cornerstone of southern identity.

Also most people are smug, and everywhere in the US that wasn't the south has some degree of feeling superior for the whole slavery and civil war thing. This is more pronounced in the north for obvious reasons. The result is that other parts of the country like to emphasize racism as part of southern identity in a disparaging way, and the south reacts by the racists getting further entrenched (any time you mock or attack someone's stupid beliefs you make them cling to those beliefs even harder).

Nice headcanon.

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were you guys talking about The Red Guard Party that existed in 1969? Or Red Guards Austin and Red Guards Los Angeles?

White proles have a revolutionary conscious, its just based on confederacy, their culture is one of guns and hunting and military.
Really what needs to happen is a sort of synthesis of communism and confederacy, like a new way of being a redneck or southerner which fights for the impoverished and minorities, but keeps the gun and pick up truck culture.
Just say a new confederacy would be making up for the sins of the past by including and equalizing blacks and non whites. And that they would unite against the bourgeoisie. (and Yankees)

the union workers that talks about where called rednecks tho, the terms just doesn't originate from them.

Oh I was talking about the 1969 ones, wasnt aware of any other

I'm all for uniting with white southerns to fight capitalism but I don't seriously have to listen to country music, drive pick up trucks and praise jebus do I?

After the destruction of Pop-Country because we've destroyed capitalism there's a chance you won't actually mind listening to country

Wrong, the radical position is to reject racism and traditionalism from both the Right and the "Left", and view ethnicity and skin color as it truly is when judging individuals: irrelevant.

No, he was a dumb racist. He was charismatic though.

Then why did you adopt the modern era mentality?

No one believes you when you do that, and rightly so, because basically every time someone saying that has taken power it's resulted in chauvinism.

Blues rock is as far as I go. Don't let our music taste keep us apart comrade. I wouldn't force you to listen to anything I like. A healthy hatred of capitalism is whats important for all US proles to unite.

Where's South Yemen?

reminder if you don't enjoy Townes Van Zandt or Willie Nelson you objectively have shit taste

I like Willie. He smokes a lot of pot.

Lel, I was talking about the MLM collectives that've sprung up around the US. I have very mixed feeling about them, but I think what RR is doing is much better. Also, the Red Guards Party were very based.

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How about no? If you're gonna be a pragmatist and play on ideas like a leftist New Confederacy, then making some kind of "atonement for past sins" is the last thing you'd wanna do; I think it's safe to say that the self-flagellating mindset of liberal SJWs alienate people. The better option would be to base your ideology off of the argument that the history of the South is the history of all peoples, whether they be white, black, etc. and that the Civil War was a war of workers fighting on behalf of wealthy plantation owners

Trad Worker is trying to court me because of my nationalist leanings

lmao, I knew 90% of this was just urbanite hicklibs LARPing as rednecks (while otherwise denigrating their hometowns to their fellow urbanite shitlibs who were actually born in those major cities)

A shitload of poor white Southerners moved to northern cities and didn't magically start thinking of themselves as Yankees, that's frequently gonna get passed on.

Messed up who I was replying to.

I'm in Bloomington Indiana, how do I help? Also, is RR non-sectarian?

"The encounter ended rather decisively: three local teenage girls had chased off the white nationalists."

Fucking gold

Real country is fucking great. Pop music is not. Bluegrass is amazing too.

t. European.

They should follow the lead of the Alabaman Communist Party that organised white and black workers

But that's still capitalist cancer. They took a utility vehicle and turned it into a false-culture icon. 90% of those fucks don't haul shit, they work at walmart or whatever, they just like having big, expensive vehicles. Most southern "culture" is completely fake and designed by porky to keep people poor and stupid: they don't like education, they want you to buy expensive shit you don't really need that has a high cost of maintenance, they want you to listen to music that dictates a specific lifestyle, they want you to be anti-government, etc. All southern "culture" is corporations trying to sell desperate people fantasies. While I agree head on confrontation will only make them dig in their heels, I think the long term goal should be weening them off their obsession with "heritage" and artificial society divides.

Wait are we talking about rural rednecks or urban blacks here

Same shit with a different paint job really as with a lot of the cultures created by capital. Maybe we'll get some fairytale ending where they realise they're not so different after all and team up to kill the bourgeoisie.

Theres probably a chapter near you! And Redneck Revolt is entirely non sectarian, they accept and encourage the membership of interested conservatives even, the only requirement is to adhere to the principles stated on their website which are of course rebranded communism

I'm sure you dont care at all and are just trying to be a cynical dismissive faggot but let me respond anyway.

Youre wrong if you think that it's just a big trendy hipster city with no working class organization. Universities and gentrification have been trying to make that the situation and are having a lot of success, and our group is in many ways a working class response to that gentrification, which groups of hipster college SocDems dont address because thats the reason theyre in the city to begin with. Those kids are from the neighborhoods outside the city where we go to landscape and put in gazebos on their golf course sized properties. We couldnt be more different and more opposed to the assholes in plaid, denim, well tended beards, professional sleeve tattoos and rent paid for by their parents, because those are the people who are pushing are families out.

As for the redneck qualification, Northeast Philadelphia is mostly white and almost rural in places, and many people identify with rednecks. Theres also poor white neighborhoods in Kensington and Port Richmond and South Philly, and most of the city is of course poor blacks who are ironically enough completely neglected in organization done by left-liberal college kids like DSA who are entirely incapable of communicating with actual poor people.

And I even said that we changed the name and description of our branch to suit the urban working class because we were getting interest from city proles who didnt understand the redneck designation.

Oops, my bad. Great to hear about that tho going to try and learn more

Idk fam. I think RR has much better praxis. I think RR's greatest strength is that it's above ground and it uses the letter of the law to it's advantage, just like the Panthers did in their own time. A lot of the Red Guards are making a lot of the same mistakes that Maoists made in the 60's and 70's, going underground, committing random acts of "terror", stuff like that. Which is why they keep getting arrested and having fundraisers to spring members out of jail. Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find they have heavy FBI infiltration. So yeah, I think there are Red Guards in Philly, but I'd be weary if I were you.

Also! Redneck Revolt should make threads on Holla Forums teaching us basic shit about guns, gun safety, laws around guns and how to charter a gun club, and other basic stuff about organizing! From what I've seen Holla Forums are pretty big fans of Redneck Revolt, it's just that a lot of us don't live near any of your chapters, but i think if you guys started a thread or two it'd go over very well.

What is the most commie-tier gun? Can AR-15's be Communist? Or is it a gun for reactionaries? Why don't more RR members have Kalashnikovs?

I hope they are aware of Cointelpro…

Since they're aware of the Panthers I assume they're aware of Cointelpro. But I think being an aboveground organization, and adhering to the letter of the law is going to play in their favor. In fact, I think that's something RR should focus on even more, I think a lot of the Panthers knew the law inside out, so if a cop fucked with them they always knew exactly what their rights were and weren't and could practically act as their own lawyers.

Theres plenty of /k/ommandos here. Also on reddit there is /r/socialistRA and they have links to other lefty gun orgs there.

Because guns are expensive. They may also not be legal to brandish in public/cross state lines

That is actually an excellent idea, will do.

Not sure what you mean by that, if you mean historically or something else. AR15s are cheapest so most of us have those. I have a 30-6 hunting rifle because I already had that and dont want to spend $400 minimum on a new gun rn. Would love an AK for sure tho.

the original Young Patriots were people who moved from appalachia to the uptown neighborhood in Chicago.

This. In all honesty, this.

Rednecks are way too spooked to ever be legitimate leftists. They'd try killing us for being "DIRTY COMMIES" before ever joining us to overthrow capitalism. That Red Scare propaganda runs deep in their borderline empty skulls, thanks to all the Fox "News" they gobble up like the gullible, malleable fuckwits they are. We should just gulag those literal cousinfuckers.

Also, is anyone here recognizing that these bumpkin hicks aren't fighting for real socialism, but instead Not Socialism? They're no better than Holla Forums. They probably already ARE Holla Forums, I'm willing to bet. Another reason we should gulag them.

You seriously sound like cointelpro or a falseflagging Holla Forumstard. If you're not, you should probably stop being a chauvinistic defeatist.

holy fuck Holla Forums youre not even trying

That picture is great but a lot of the information is outdated. VEPRs are banned from import now thanks to "based trump", vz58s are like $1000 new, and SKSs and mosins have shot up in price simply because they are surplus rifles and are drying up from the market. WASRs and NPAPs are still great budget AKs though. ARs are cheaper now and can be had for as low as 300-400 nowadays. As far as the rest goes, it's all still pretty spot on.

How was anything I said defeatist? Elaborate, please.

Very charming and handsome with cool work boots.
I'd have a drink with him he also offered me water.

lick his dick real good then read him commie literature before bed

What kinds of "terror" have they committed?
The newer, american Red Guards I mean, I've read through their blog and looked at some news about them and thought they seemed really good, but the closest thing I saw to terror was things like countering an alex jones anti-abortion rally, at a clinic which isn't too bad of an idea, not sure how well they executed it.

That's defeatist
That's chauvinist

I'm not the person who said it initially, that you replied to but they summed it up

No, wtf? I don't see any reason to think this

This person said it for me. You're saying "don't bother with them because you won't succeed", which is obviously defeatist.

Here you go, marginally updated

It would help if I posted it. Difference in the upper left corner