A V A N T - G A R D E

Entranced Earth
Kanal
Il Posto
The Organizer if that counts.

just off the top of my head

Him getting slumped by a fan was avant-garde.

Stray Dogs. Tsai's sense of stasis reaches its max here so if you're not already familiar with him it may be a shock just how slow some scenes are. Recommend watching the trailer below at least.

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HOLY SHIT, THAT NIGGA'S WHACK! Never bothered to listen to any of his music before, but I know now I wasn't missing nothing. That beat's particularly shit-tier too. I thought people only distorted audio like that for ironic meme videos.

Seems like a bunch of snobbish shit for hipsters or something like that.

The early Soviet Union was avant-garde artist's wet dream. That's where Constructivism as well as our modern understanding of cinema and graphic design originate.

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That was Stalin ruining everything. Pre Stalin USSR was the avantest of the gardes with exceptional graphic arts, sculpture, photography, theater, cinema and architecture.

The German avant garde sucked the soviet dick real hard and hosted them when shit started to go bad in USSR. Until the Nazis ruined everything.

When Stalin chose some neoclassical abortion instead of some revolutionary modernist proposal as the winner of the palace of the soviets competition everyone got massively assblasted and knew it was all over.

Things only got better when Stalin died and Space Communism arrived, but that propaganda, aesthetic as it was, was largely devoid of revolutionary spirit.

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Avant-garde metal is pretty cool
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ds5yzEOF3nQ

This died in the 70s. Almost all the means of its production are under control of porky. Sure there's a lot of masturbation about conceptual projects but nothing can ever actually be made; what is made is twisted and emptied of all political power by the co-optation of the spectacle, if not conceived entirely as a commodified image from the very start.

I'd say postmodernism has robbed most creative works of their revolutionary potential. Film which might be the last meaningful one standing, gets drowned by the endless torrent of garbage and propaganda pouring out of hollywood so that good things are obscure and hard to find and alien to the masses.

We might see a new avant-garde with new forms of art. I'm really intrigued in the political potential of VR/AR. A lot has been written about the dystopian aspects, but few seem to ever talk about its subversive powers. Cyber is the frontline and the porkies are ahead.

VR today allows for a sense of presence unmatched by any other telecommunication technology in history, which means a heightened sense of human contact, devoid of the prejudices of appearance, and with a huge possibility for completely new personal and group creative expressions. Just imagine all the internet has done to a sense of internationalism and collaboration and idea exchange, and multiply it with a much easier / deeper / intense way to bond and create and experience things communally. People say its antisocial but in my experience its the total opposite; it is the most social technology thus far. Yes its inaccessible to the masses today, but that situation will change in a few years.

It could crush nationalisms and xenophobias by providing that sense of shared experience that the internet today barely gets at, bringing the distant others all together.

It could even reform r9k people by letting them have a better sense of human contact without the anxieties of meatspace. There's several stories of depression being killed by socializing in VR.

It could provide intriguing insights into economics and human behaviour with bankless cryptocurrencies, or entirely open-source creative common societies as a glimpse of a post-scarcity world, a true GNUSSR with a huge spectrum of diverse organizational structures… maybe someone can finally attempt an enormous direct-democracy system. Which might then have impact into meatspace organizations.

I honestly really like avant-garde YouTube Poops
youtube.com/user/LinkReup/videos
youtube.com/user/LinkOnDrugsReborn/videos

youtube.com/user/AwfulFawfultheFalafe/videos
youtube.com/channel/UC7I50pnyj_bPS_0y47fREeQ/videos
Polite sage because I'm not sure if it's relevant to the topic, and if Awful Fawful would be considered avant-garde

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I love modernism in general, even atonal music and the theatre of the absurd.
Dunno what else to say

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Avant Garde art has its roots in Fascism. Never forget that.

Read Lorca, he's one of my favorite poets. He got killed by the fallangists in Spain because he was gay and a commie. He wrote very dreamlike, slmost surrealist. Here is a poem by him of him criticising the capitalist hell called new york: shawkutis.weebly.com/lorca.html

This is fucking bullshit btw

What the fuck are you talking about? The concept of avant-garde (which is tied to modernism) emerged in the late 19th century, before Fascism was even a thing.

Some Italian avant-garde artists — almost exclusively Futurist edgelords like Marinetti — supported Mussolini but that's it.

Is black flag shitposting a form of contemporary avant garde art?

Reading Capitalist Realism got me thinking: are there any accessible creative works or genres that have survived the commodification of capitalism? Anything obscure or "avant-garde" enough to imagine a world past the present state of things?

OP here, I believe you're likely to find what you're looking for in the film selection I attached to my opening post. They're not random movie that so happen to have leftist themes, they actively attempt to subvert what is often understood as a "good film" according to the culture industry.

Futurism (and therefore fascism) was a huge influence on later avant garde art. Dada for example, surrealism, cubism , constructivism, etc

There was a lot of avant-garde stuff in the USSR before Stalin and after Stalin

Except that cubism and futurism started like 10 years before Mussolini was even a socialist, ,let alone gone fash. Constructivism was actually more influenced by suprematism and has barely nothing to do with futurism, and neither did neoplasticism… your argument is shit.

Uh? It's true many Italian Futurists embraced Fascism, but not all did. No Russian Futurist did either as far as I know, in fact Mayakovsky famously wrote anti-war poetry. Futurism is not intrinsically Fascist.

It's not so much that Futurism influenced other avant-garde movements, it's that avant-garde movements influenced each other to a point where boundaries would often get blurred. Futurism is not the "original", "first" or "quintessential" avant-garde — it was one movement among others, whose influence by the way was mostly formal and not ideological. Dadaists were pretty much all raging leftists regardless of whether they liked Marinetti's sound-poems or not.

Besides, many other avant-garde movements preceded Fascism such as the Vienna Secession, Post-Impressionism or even Cubism actually.

I'd like to like avant-garde, but I'm too stupid and/or artistically illiterate. I can only appreciate it after it has ceased to be avant-garde and has been digested and explained by other people.

mein neger.

Try art-anything christ. Most good shit that gets made in capitalism is specifically because of the artists getting lucky with donors or otherwise just tricking porky into letting them do what they want and yet there's still a lot if you actually look.

I mean, that was my point. Are there any recent films, music, etc. that subvert capital? Does count?

impyling there was no facism before Mussolini? What?

but still drew influence from the original futurism and I didn't say shit about neoplasticism.

So…

the one who wrote their Manifesto (and then the Italian Fascist Manifesto) did.

I didn't say that, but it is one of them.

Thanks for showing meme this user

"Avant-garde" was the art of progressive statism. The art of the people is whatever the people create when there's no outside pressure of "authorities" of any kind, be they art experts, the revolutionary vanguard, or state bureaucrats who decide what's art and what is not.

What does Holla Forums think about twelve tone music?
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Serialism is great Adorno is mediocre

I have the same first impression of people who use the word "arthouse" as I have of a skinhead who greets me by rubbing his testicles on my face.

Pretentious people do not deserve human rights.

Alban Berg is boss as fuck

Indeed, that would be Marinetti. Funfact: when Marinetti came to Russia to try and advocate his very specific understanding of Futurism, he was met with scorn.

Which is why saying the avant-garde has "its roots" in Fascism is plain wrong.

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Uh? What's so special with the term "arthouse"…? Are you the kind of person who calls every work of art he's not comfortable with pretentious?

Nice, I have to look into that, I thought it was the Japanese cop film Stray Dog which has existential elements to it..

I think that modern and postmodern are definitions that stem out of marxist theory
I think ==AUDIENCES== would like to see a more divergent thought, like say proceeding from a place which rejects both socialism and capitalism as a solution for dealing with the problems of the 20th century.
There's not a lot of re-imagining going on (or more accurately as I think most-all are well aware of, that there's no funding going towards re-imaging) this further's the TINA narrative, even across generations now. Either you get EXACTLY what we have now, with no violence towards the state or private property involved, and the Good Guy Wins and There's Nothing Ambiguous and Love Conquers All ==OR== It's a complete lawless world and human nature is bad and evil and if people were left to their own, it would be a hell on earth and turn the planet into a desert somehow.

Copyright, patent, the industry being what it is in terms of labor (via a person's stake in the MOP), and seeking funding (asking big doners who will alter the material, more layers of censor).. These all need to be eliminated or seriously altered, and in addition to that, the medium by which the content of the film is disseminated, the purpose for its release (as a commodity).. So many serious symptoms.
I this it's pretty polar, the kinds of liberties in film that we've kind of silently discarded, the 'Oh you can't talk about that anymore's – pretty much an entire shift of narrative towards an unspoken yet mandatory self-censorship after 9/11. Now, even with so much culture being produced, the narratives we 'get to speak about', in competition with the siren servers of the major media conglomerates, the whole 'millenial generation' (marketing term that I hate) doesn't have a voice of it's own, but merely 'chooses' to stream their 'options' off of Netflix.

I'd like to see just like, what we saw in the late 80's early 90's definitive punk cinema Repo Man, Street Trash, or Gregg Araki's or Jon Moritsugu's films.. Just – we do not have the kind of funding available, or the marketplace, or the expectation, or the hope to make anything which defines our real, lived experience of the culture of the internet age. Which is an honest shame, because we've seen such radical shifts in culture – every year is becoming like a decade of change. A film about, or in the theme of 2012 - 2014 seapunk / eccojams / vaporwave is so entirely necessary, yet we don't see this specific cultural phenomenon appear anywhere at all except anonymously in the form of soundclouds. It's not captured in the lens of – let's distill the meaning out of these events – let's take these ideas to their logical conclusions. I would love to see a Linklater, waking life type film which explores the philosophical aspect of vaporwave & accellerationist theory…

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bullies

Now this I need sources for. A lot of sources.

LMAO look at this pleb

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