Does anyone else ever feel too trashy, too dirty, and too lumpen, for the modern Left?

Does anyone else ever feel too trashy, too dirty, and too lumpen, for the modern Left?

Every time I'm among leftists I'm basically in character. I pretend to have a completely different attitude towards sex, towards humor, towards culture, towards life, towards everything. I've had to pretend I don't like porn, that I abhor violence where I don't, that I believe in standards of cultural or social behavior that I despise, etc. More than once I had to sit through conversations where a certain "abusive" behavior (in their very loose definition of the term) by men or a specific man was being discussed, and I had to pretend I didn't do the same thing several times as I nodded along to whatever they said. I always have to tone down my language, police my own behavior, and act like someone more civilized.

Of course, you must assume I'm a huge scumbag and piece of shit, but honestly I don't feel like it. I act in more or less the same manner the people I come from act. If I acted according to the standards of the leftists I meet when I'm in college or party gatherings when I visit my working-class suburb in the small town I was raised, I'd never get laid and I'd probably get my ass whooped several times.

Idk, it feels weird. I can't help but feel that beneath all their attempts to enforce a certain code of proper, woke, inclusive behavior there is simply an attempt to construct a space where people like me are not welcomd. I never see ghetto people, small town people, military vets and blue-collar folks in those places either.

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yeah, thats called idpol, and its why we all fucking hate it /thread

Wow, what a fucking tragedy. You've been through such trauma. I'm so fucking sorry for you.
You do realize this only process them right, though, right?

Proves, not process

Mao called it bourgeoisie pretension.
Its why Chinese seem so rude and are pissing and spitting all over the place.


The class's have different value systems.

The upper class has this idea of being sophisticated, educated, and morally superior

You know, its like all those cunts that write article about how rude trump is for disrespecting the office of the presidency (by the way bill clinton got his dick sucked in that office)

Or like clinton telling a room of rich cosmopolitans how deplorable middle america is, or obama talking about how middle america clings to their guns and religion

You know, racism, hatred of women, sexism, this used to be actions you made, it was a game, dont do these actions and you arent those things.
And now the sjw's they tell you, you are born these things and you are vile and the only thing you can do is self flagellate.
And its like, no one is interested in that shit, like you cant win that shit, there is no point in trying.
And you know what, actually its funnier to pretend to be racist just to troll you "bleh im a racist bleh"

You cant relax with those people, everything is always some sort of slight or micro aggression.

To a certain extent, yeah. I'm a lot more politically correct than my friends, but I still have to be super careful what I say and how I say it around leftist circles.
This is extremely true. I can't imagine a single one of my friends surviving a week in the left before either being kicked out or leaving due to the culture

You see them in church though, and what you describe is much worse in that place,

Be the leftist you want to see. Organize those people instead of idpolers.

No it doesn't. If you act gay among conservative muslims you will get beaten as well, doesnt make them right.

Nonsense.
I feel like a disgusting mess and under read but I try my best.
Idk if you're talking about liberals or not but just in case, we aren't liberals.

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If I'm gay around nearly any conservative I'm likely to be beaten up

And this isn't for any one that holds conservatives beliefs for themselves or whatever the fuck. We know what I'm talking about.

Gamergate wasn't really idpol, at least at first.
It started off nerds yelling at people trying to fuck with games to fuck off and go kill themselves.
Then it got all preachy and retarded, talking about "ethics in video games", no you dumb niggers, it isn't about ethics, it's about telling people to fuck off

I can understand that to a degree, I dont criticise or show my view point on some issues with leftist friends and regulate my language among leftist groups i dont know well. It sucks, but I rationalise it as just confirming to local rules of civility, just like I also change my language in formal events or around posher, more conservative families. Its not the end of the world imo. It hurts the lefts capabillity to recruit among the working class but I have given up on any movement arising from the current left subculture anyway.

Why don't you just tell to this people to go fuck themselves and try to make new leftist friends that aren't filthy liberal puritans?

Bullshit. Conservatives rarely attack gays. As a matter of fact gays are more likely to attack conservatives via social signaling/feigned victimization and the like than they are to be attacked by conservatives. Conservatives get attacked by everyone and attack nearly no one. White conservatives, anyway. Non-white violence (Arabs and Negros) can't be attributed to whites.

Yeah, you're experiencing the feeling of classism and bourgeois pretension. There are worse things to be than uncouth (namely, porky) but you'd never hear that from them. It's ultimately liberalism, which is concerned primarily with decorum, politeness, and PROCESS in all things. Don't internalize their image of you.

While you're full of shit about 'muh oppressed white conservatives' it can't be stressed enough that no group is more reactionary on average than the negro.

Fuck you and fuck everything you stand for

You are everything wrong with modern Leftism and everything that needs to get the fuck off of Holla Forums. If you make proles feel ashamed for who they are when they aren't even trying to advocate fascism or liberalism in your Leftist circle you are NOT my comrade you are an opportunist piece of shit and a liberal yourself and should be gulagged instantly than sent to a working class area of the south full of the most backwards Americans and try to tell them that their situation is their fault and shame them the way you have this comrade online as further punishment. FUCK YOU AND GO BACK TO R/SOCIALISM FUCKWAD

As for OP, I feel you comrade. I try to stay in contact with the Lefties I know IRL even if I disagree with them ideologically just because in my area they are few and far between, and it's a bit different because most of them are actually proles and not just stupid college kids larping as anarkiddies or trots or MLMs or whatever other cancer but they still appeal to all the tumblr shit to be trendy and so on.

I mostly isolate myself and wait for the next economic crash/large scale war myself. More power to you for being stronger than me

College hippies like not comrade's self wew. My rage made me forget how to proofread

I think your real problem is your cowardice and faggotry. Faggot. What the fuck are you doing?
Today, OP just could not stop gargling cock.

hi, pol

I love how you're more mad at that guy than the people OP is talking about. Way to go, "comrade".

That liberal is the the people OP are talking about and you can follow him back to reddit

I have an easier time getting along with rednecks than I do the average liberal. At least, in my experience, they are willing to take politics off the table in the name of maintaining a relationship of some sort with someone. I would go as far as to say I have more in common with them, despite my leftist views.

Absolutely, comrade. If youre in the states Redneck Revolt and affiliates have been much better about this in my experience, im a part of a local branch and tho leftypol kiddies would consider them idpol theyre relaxed and understanding and not at all liberals.

These seriously

Shame on us for not having sympathy for someone who engages in self-censorship. I never said he was wrong for the views he holds, only that he was a fucking faggot for keeping quiet to "look good" to a bunch of namby-pamby liberals he shouldn't give a flying fuck about anyway.
Now shut the fuck up and go whine to someone who cares.

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Didn't someone from leftypol try and join RR and then they doxed him and started spreading his info around on facebook?

High-level Holla Forums discourse in action.

You're a fucking retard.


Yeah, I feel your pain OP, but sadly dealing with these kinds of people is just the reality of trying to participate in the irl Left at this moment. I do think more and more people are starting to turn their backs on idpol, after it fucked the entire 2016 election, but for now just come here on Holla Forums and vent, also find likeminded people you can be honest with and talk shit in private to get it out of your system, but yeah, fake virtue signaling Liberals are all over the place and unavoidable. But one day, if the Left ever wants to have mass appeal again, we'll have to shed these faggots, and fast.

Nice rebuttal. Really making me rethink my position on the subject at hand.

Not really, no. If you beat your partner or your child, or used some position of power to exploit your fellow workers or enrich yourself at the expense of others, then yeah. But just having different opinions, nah.

But then, I'm a disgusting pervert myself although people seemed to like the smut I wrote for Holla Forums

At the end of the day idpol Liberals create toxic environments built around paranoia and witch hunting. This has nothing to do with politics, but rather idpol is a form of moralism and etiquette, and if you slip up you will get singled out and attacked, and if you don't play your cards right permanently excommunicated. I've seen this happen to dozens of people for completely innocuous reasons. You started off this thread defending idpol, now you're claiming OP is stupid for not just going around acting and speaking any way he wants. You're being a retard and I'm not even sure what your point is or what you're getting out of this. What's your actual position here?

link to smut?

Conservatives don't need to attack people in the street because they have the police and the army and the corporations to enact violence on their behalf

No, I never did anything of the sort. He should have been doing what he wanted from the start instead of cowing to liberals. That has been my point this entire time.
OP is a faggot, but I'm glad to clear up this misunderstanding.

Wait, you have friends and get laid!?

Get out you social Porky! REEEEEE

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I'm sick and tired of being a white male if I were black people would put me on a pedestal for being able to string together a coherent sentence. I'm sick of this shit.

This is probably what hurts the most. As a dude you're supposed to act asexual among leftists, or at least that's my experience, even among the "dirtbag" left.

FIRST RULE OF

N A Z B O L G A N G

EVERYBODY IS A NIGGER

Wew, fuck that. Fuck that to death.

I really hate that every group I've worked with is like 'and lets abolish gender because its a capitalist construct' and it doesn't make any freaking sense to me. Its like people have internalized the actually capitalism-reinforced gender roles so much they forget that the biological tendency for people to be hetero isn't actually an artificial construct

OP, if you have to self-censor to that extent, just don't get involved with those people. There are IRL communist organizations that don't get that ridiculous.

Still, while I don't have it as bad as you, I do find myself self-censoring on occasion. Most of the time, I don't mind since I just see it as being polite, but sometimes it's annoying.

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I feel the other way around, like I'm not a real worker, that I don't know real hardships and basically should just quit roleplaying and fuck off.

On the other hand, I don't know how it's like around starbucks leftists because I tend to avoid these.

80% sure you're confusing leftists with liberals
Not saying idpol can't infect actual left spaces just pretty much every leftist I know understands that consensual amateur porn is hot and judicious application of violence will inevitably be a part of any revolution.

Well you seriously have to change a lot of things.
First of all avoid Idpolers at all costs.
Secondly man the fuck up if you find yourself among these people.
Speak out don't remain silent and passive wtf is wrong with you.

I feel trashy for not reading enough for being lazy for being a pessimist and for being gloomy about all.

Seriously, Why are leftists so obsessed with making everyone gay?

Stoped right there.

Liberals are not the left.

poor you. Holla Forums has distorted your idea of what you're in for.

fucking kek you guys are hilarious

Yesh, I happen to be a 32 yo leftist in south europa, and no, that's not how it works.

Sorry if burgerstan is filled with liberals, but that's not what the left is.

As an anarchist from the deep South this is also my opinion. Then again, every last one of them that voted Trump can still get the bullet and I will only carefully shed a single tear for them when it's all over like that Indian in the old commercial.

(yeah, I said Indian, if that upsets you then take your idpol straight to the gulag)

a certain amount of regulation of the way you conduct yourself to conform to the social mores of whatever group you're interacting with is normal, healthy and inevitable for reasonably well socialised and adjusted people (despite what some, I can only assume, legitimately autistic and/or plain old unlikeable bee urself dipshits in this thread would have you believe). We all do it, whether it's a forced customer service smile for work, cleaning up your language when you're at your Nanna's house or not calling your friends AIDS ridden faggots when they beat you at Catan when your sensitive gay friend whose parents just disowned him is there.

That said, what you're seeing (and I've also got plenty of experience with it from when I was active irl) goes beyond unwritten social norms and is really into the realm of crass status seeking and social class gatekeeping. You're basically rubbing against an exclusive class culture and having the same feelings that the vast majority of working class people have in similiar situations in the absence of a real sense and positive notion of working class culture (something that the left used to have and deliberately cultivate, I might add). Ever had a really wealthy friend who maintained 2 mostly separate social circles and been invited to some event where it's mostly their rich friends and get sneered at and condescended to for not knowing the correct fork to use for this or that dish or napkin ettiquette or having a job that doesn't involve sitting behind a desk shuffling paper? Same shit. It's worse with politics because these lower layer/petty bourgeois lefties impose a moral dimension on it - so you're not just an uncouth prole who needs to learn not to put your elbows on the table, you're a bad person who makes them feel unsafe which gives them license to react with more hostility rather than tolerate you and have a snide giggle once the dinner party is over. It's actually really noxious and is extremely common on what passes for left (and these are not just liberals - this happens among self-identifying marxists and anarchists all the time) now that the working class has been successfully alienated from left wing politics for decades and most of what remains is a play ground for petty bourg kids to act out their rebellious or messianic phases.

There's no real solution unfortunately, except to maybe try to bring more uncouth poors into these groups and change the culture with numbers, forcing them to adapt to your social norms if they want to participate. Again, this is something the left used to be able to do. Beyond that, you can try to get involved in some of the few old style militant trade unions that are still around, but obviously you'd need to be involved in the right industries