Why has Chan Culture gone from liberal/socially liberal anti-authoritarian to this far right ancap/fashy bullshit...

Why has Chan Culture gone from liberal/socially liberal anti-authoritarian to this far right ancap/fashy bullshit lately?

Channers used to dox racist/people who abused animals and regularly messed with mainstream idealism but for some reason, probably the skeptic movement become an alt-right fascist breeding ground of racism/authoritarianism
thoughts?

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Is it a vocal minority or has chan culture just degenerated to a bunch of fashy autists larping on a taiwanese fishing forum?

everything gets worse when you get older. this includes the internet

But everything is already so bad now and I'm not that old yet desu

It was always an uneasy alliance. In 05 Nazis and WNs were there. But there was no trace of any class consciousness.

I wasnt sure if the right wingers were serious or if people were just posting the stuff for shock value.

I think that what happened was newfags came in and took it at face value.

something something newfags something something underage

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Skeptic YouTubers (Sargon, Kraut, Armour, etc.) are almost all Right leaning and by beveling the """Culturаl-Marxism""" Nazi propaganda. Yet if you dare call it Nazi propaganda you are called a SJW/Feminist. Also, main stream media and Trump didn't help.

There is a lot of reasons why.

My thoughts? It's a phase, the more the Right fucks up, (Like Trump) the more they will get disillusioned by it.

The Right will turn on itself like it did with the "What about the memes!?" guy.

it gets worse

Literally stormfront intelpro

Chan "culture" attracts the worst type of retards who are disenfranchised and decide to cling onto something edgy to give their lives "meaning"

I remember back in 2009-2013 on halfchan there was a minor presence of right-wing libertarianism, hitler jokes and little bit of ironic racism, but that was about it. There also was condemning of racism, being homophobic was considered a redneck thing, and supporting left-wing libertarianism and quoting Chomsky was considered the political zeitgeist of halfchan.

Personally I first discovered the hardcore far-right memeing as early as /news/ back in 2012-13, which I considered odd, but I thought it's ironic or something. Distinctly alt-right shit I begun to notice around 2015, but I really didn't pay attention until around 2016. By now, it has affected so many parts of the internet that you literally can't find the good old laid-back chan humor anymore.

My only explanation is that the huge surge in /r9k/ becoming so huge and those guys being insanely desperate and lonely, they found the MRA shit and the "redpill" metaphor, then took the far-right conspiracy theory about "cultural marxism" to explain "why males are treated so bad" and then "found" that there is a "race element" to all this, then the islamophobia thing started rolling on etc.

I seriously feel fucking lonely. You can never have a comfy greentext thread anymore where you discuss about things you remember from childhood, make fun of weird people you see in music festivals or greentext stories about approaching girls. Closest you can get to this is halfchan's /adv/ board where mods delete political threads, but 9/10 of threads 404 before getting more than few replies, so it's a low traffic.

I am not even that hardcore into left-wing politics, I just really, really don't like the alt-right.

yeah it usually attracts the biggest retards.
your opinion of whats edgy and what isn't is a spook through.

you could mean authoritarianism or anarchism. or anything in between/anything you don't like, etc.

Daily reminder that Stormfront actively campaigned to make Holla Forums their torture chamber

Oldfag since 2004, chan culture was never liberal.

We just wanted to watch animus, play vidya, knock over the card stand at 2am and spread dank memes in peace. We will oppose whoever is stopping us from doing that, whether it's the left or the right.

For the last 20 years it has been the left. It has been annoying liberal school moms complaining that 'video games make the kids violent' and they 'should be banned from school' or whatever other bullshit.

The only difference is that many of us got old, and learnt a thing or two about politics, history & economics.

It will change, it's changing.
expect more Holla Forums dumbasses coming here asking for theory. Just recommend them books, most of them won't even read and will tell you reading is too hard, that they have short attention spans that they get easily distracted by videogames or anime or another less important shit. Just keep on with the reading mentality, there is no better way than reading the things for yourself.
This isn't Holla Forums. New comers read.

Your post stinks of new, tbh.

No, those were basic conservatives, user.

We all know that it wasn't r9k but FACEBOOK to ruin 4chan. Literally on facebook there are a fuck ton of reactionary "wokee but fun" pages reposting the worst reactionary comics (like fucking polandball/race realism but ironic xddd)

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1d4chan surprises me with how comfy it is. It reminds me of good old fashioned /tg/. I think I browsed through a dozen pages and only came across a single faggot Holla Forums meme.

reddit spacing is a spook.

/r9k/ was the prerequisite for Holla Forums culture as it is today. Facebook was just the way how those "ironic" guys got "redpilled on JQ" and as they were never into politics before, they found it really tough to argue their way out of alt-right arguments, so they begun to unironically believe it all.

I'm aware, started using reddit when m00t sold halfchan. It's a bad habit that is reinforced by my near OCD desire to see perfectly spaced posts with an even number of lines.

Facebook and Twitter definitely played their parts in pacifying Holla Forums, but I am not sure I could say they're the sole cause of the whole site going down the drain. People saw le epic funny Holla Forums images, went there, dragged the board quality (which was already in the depths of shit) down into hell and filled it with unironic Facebook meme posting

I remember very well around 2009 how much it made fun of Bush since he was so retarded. And I remember super well that at least the few chicks in 4chan were very much into supporting Obama. I can recall the Obama shirts worn by several camwhores.
4chan was also way more atheistic in the past.

I started browsing that (now) shithole in 2008.

Not in my neighborhood. It was always this vegan cunt Sally and her fucking faggot child who was got scared by the 'horrible dark atmosphere' of Quake 3

The conservative soccer moms didn't give a fuck and let us play GTA III all the time

The golden rule of "lurk moar" has always held true

fuck if I wasn't such a pussy I could've had the best time of my life

it's not a rule. in all honesty people that just don't care are way better than people who think there are really rules or guides.
in the end most users are just retards behind keyboards 24/7. their opinions do not matter and shouldn't be taken seriously.
back then I was following a 4chan guide from Enciclopedia Dramatica like a retard, it's better to not care, almost nothing here matters especially not in 4chan which is even more retarded.

and 4chan in the past was against religion too due to that shit of conservative soccermoms being against videogames/anime for being violent or "subliminal" and shit….
Conservatives made a shit show in the 2000s about videogame violence. Religion is a bitch.

Agreed to an extent, most people will go on believing the retarded shit they've been taught from birth but I know there are people out there who want to learn and read. I never looked at lurk moar as a strict rule but more as a way to observe and gain knowledge rather than contribute jack shit. A large amount of people on chan boards just lurk and watch compared to those who post and contribute

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Give it 4 more years and the pendulum will be back left, it's pretty far right at the moment so it'll hit hard once it swings

4chan was literally always athiestic up until the Trump elections

What I'm saying is that 90% of Holla Forums came there from huge fb pages (fb is way bigger than 4chan) or twitter or whatever but they came through social media, there was never muh reddit/r9k invasion, "chan culture" shapeshifted into conservativism the moment "normies" (regular people who use mostly social media but play politics on the internet) started thinking that arguing on 4chan was the most rational freeze peech thing to do

We can win back with meta memes like pic related. Turn the boards against Holla Forums by associating them as against them.

People are starting to grow sick of their constant triggering.

Is there a way to promote leftypol better? I noticed that when you search for it on google, another leftypol board shows up with barely any people posting.

This question has been asked 325 times since leftypol creation (yes I've archived the individual threads & their saved to disk). The short answer is 4chon, and Stormfront.

If moot never got scared about losing traffic to that website and wizchan due to the deletion of /new/ and /r9k/. Most of this shit happening today wouldn't exist.

Do you think communist revolution will happen once enough cretins flood here?

Almonds: activated

Google SJWjews got so butthurt about Holla Forums and the gamergate board they knocked down 8ch.net from their search index (I think it was even removed altogether for months), so 8ch.pl is what you get when you search for 8ch.

I really hate this revisionist history you left tards make like 4chan was some bastion of leftism instead of they were calling people double niggers and fapping to guro hentai and bullying autists to kill themselves on webcam.

You want to know what happened, it started around obamas second term, something switched, liberals became these psychotic authoritarians obsessed with identity politics and pushing their agenda into every form of media, oh, you just want to play video games, well instead we are going to talk about how you are a woman hater and should shrek your muh privilege.

Have you actually sat back and thought about what user actually is??
Its literally the antithesis to idpol, its a faceless, decentralized, leaderless, chaotic hivemind who believes in nothing but doing it for the lulz.

And here comes these people, these people who get offended at everything all the time.

Holy shit, trolling a sjw was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Being user, this is your shadow self, your innerself, i dont know your gender, your sex, your race, its just you, the real you that isnt chained down by political correctness or societal norms.

Like 4chan and pol legit have warped society, like you cant even comprehend it, this website were nerds jerked off about anime have destroyed the managerial establishment that has had a death grip on the globe for decades.

By calling them cucks

When did this happnen? Back when I was first getting into Socialism all the Commies were Skeptics in the materialist sense.

Of course the LARPer is a redditor too.

Like seriously, you should have just let the white nerds have their video games and comic books.

They just want to play sanic and not be given a yale sociology lecture by a rainbow haired moron about how the female character is too sexy.

I just miss when people didn't take the internet so fucking seriously.

reddit is a neoliberal stronghold though

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Conservatives made a shit show in the 2000s about videogame violence. Religion is a bitch.

Nice lie, faggot. Then how come ALL significant video game censorship was shilled and made into LAW by liberal politicians like HILLARY CLINTON, TIPPER GORE, ( ( ( ( JOE LIEBERMAN ) ) ) ), ( ( ( ( HERB KOHL ) ) ) ) et al? lol so much for your Christian right-wing spook censoring vidya.

Sure, you had Jack Thompson in the 2000s but he had 0 influence, he was an ambulance chaser trying to blame GTA for the actions of 5 dumb teenager criminals.

Video games don't get prohibited because of blue haired dykes, faggot. And last I checked it's Holla Forumsacks whinging about video games not catering to their demographics. It's two sides of the same coin.

Holla Forums is not user then cuz it is pure idpol who believes in righttard nazi conspiracies and gets easily triggered about literally anything just like the SJWs.

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So I take it all of your actions (and Holla Forums's actions) are ironic, then? Just trolling for the sake of trolling, a la "the old days?" Every public demonstration, every happening post, and everything that you guys say doesn't have an ounce of seriousness or urgency in it? There's no political or personal incentive at all behind what you do?

Think carefully before you answer.

It's pathetic, really. I've seen redditors trying to push that fake narrative, that falls apart easily when you realize A Wyatt Mann cartoons were some of the earliest memes. These same fags keep saying how "le 4chan hated Bush to death", when in reality most anons barely discussed him. The only big Bush memes I remember were spawned when that sandnegro threw a shoe at him.

Saying 4chan got Trump into office clearly shows a lack of understanding of the current economic climate in the US that most Holla Forumstards have.


"You were never a centrist who was 'pushed to the right by leftists', you're just a right-winger whose thoughts were never challenged before."

First of all, what do liberals have to do with us?
Second,

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I never said they had anything to do with you. But they didn't had to do anything with "christian conservatives" either, like that lying user said.

Ah, typical reactionary.

lolling

Dude, democrats are right-wing. More right-wing than UK conservatives, might I add. And Hillary is THE right-wing soccer mom, second to Palin.

And when you think about it, the more the elite got hooked into the internet, the more they were going to clash with 4chan and the troll ethos of doing it for the lulz.
Trolls antagonize people on purpose, for no reason other than to get a laugh.
So what happens when you can now do this to like the mayor, or the governor, or even the president. Or soceity in general.

Like a troll pokes an prods, it tests the norms of society, they say "dont this, it isnt allowed", then they do it because its funny

A lot of academics have compared 4chan to ancient trickster gods

By voting for the biggest neocon pro-zionist shill the US has ever seen?

Is this satire?

Im just saying the proles need their bread and circus, and these white male proles were fine and dandy playing video games and comic books until the sjw's showed up.
And you incurred their wrath and now donald trump is president.

And i think in general entertainment should be devoid of politics, art is what should be political

That's why they want to regulate the internet more and more. Each Holla Forumstard with a smug anime girl avatar talking shit directly to a powerful politician, think-tank member or media personality on twitter brings us closer to the destruction of the wild west internet, they just haven't realized it yet.

if you have to ask, no you're just mad
youtube.com/watch?v=XEL2hWKxfHY

well are u mad?

It's the equivalent of Republican viral marketing. They're trying to rebrand being a stuffy boring traditionalist as rebellious and cool.

You are putting too much blame on them, the real threat to the elite are guys like assange and snowden.
4chan is just tweeting these people about how stupid they are and have big butts and their butt smells.

The cyberpunk authors of yore were right, hackers are the only people who can fuck with the elite now

Most oldfags consisted of SA goons and weebs that simply didn't give a fuck about politics. The "4chan used to be leftist" likely originates when chanology shitted up the entire website.

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But then again, Trump won by such razor-thin margins that discounting the influence of Holla Forums's social media operations, viral videos, wikileaks combing, PR stunts against Hillary and the creation of r/The_Donald (which like it or not is huge among normies aka people who vote) is dangerous.

You really need to stop thinking your shitty board is important, because it isn't. At all.

But Trump lost? He won thanks to the retarded electoral college.
See, you really don't know shit about politics.

really makes me think

trump won because Hillary is shit and the democrat campaign was fucking awful, that's all

you must really be fucking retarded

And the trolling of Hal Turner, which wasn't done because he was "le EVIL racist" like the reddit revisionists claim, but because he was dumb enough to take calls live without screening them. 4chan did the same thing to Tom Green around the same time for that reason.

Go ahead, keep that mindset, you learned nothing and that will get you 4 more years of Truvada Trump. Pic related, you.

No, it was always reactionary counter culture. 4chan was "liberal" because it was born and got famous during the Bush years when neoconservatism was the norm. After 8 years of Obama post-9/11 neoliberalism is the new norm and the new generation of edgy 14 year olds are rebelling against that, because it's all they've ever known.

The aut-right is a temporary meme group. Remember when bronies were fucking everywhere? Remember when SJWs where fucking everywhere? Remember when Emos where fucking everywhere? Remember when Greasers where everywhere? In a few years they'll fade into the background noise and some new, annoying group will pop up that we can all hate.

Wow, I'm actually surprised.

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Except ( ( ( NEOCONSERVATISM ) ) ) IS ( ( ( NEOLIBERALISM ) ) ). Same capitalist shit, same policies, same ( ( ( policy makers ) ) ) behind it.


Correct, and so are trannies and queer freaks. A fad that will hopefully pass soon.

the original purpose of art was to record history and moments, and religion. Stuff like that. I think its right that art should be political, be a reflection of whatever society is at the time. Entertainment on the other hand is a product, its meant to entertain, have fun, relax, eat your prole feed. Forget about politics and the shit world. And the SJW's ruined that by invading video games, movies, tv, etc. So this antagonized a lot of young white males who weren't normally political. And these young white males with no prole feed, and a society that keeps shreiking about how white men are evil and racist, had no one to turn to but the alt right :)


Seriously, you should have just let them have their video games

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I never said I was leftist, dumbshit. Being against ( ( ( CAPITALISM ) ) ) doesn't makes you a leftist.

Holla Forums is 100% idpol though. They are barely different than SJWs.

fucking amazing reading comprehension and understanding of politics

sasuga Holla Forums

"Edgy" just means anything that gratuitously spurns discursive social norms used with the intent of giving some illusory social power to the edgelord. So one can be a fascist or anarchist without the intent of shocking people.

That's funny coming from the board that gets butthurt about white identity politics ONLY, and it's ok with practically every other group practicing idpol, with you self-hating whitebois as a shared enemy no less.

[citation needed]

This seems to be a democrat talking point dreamed up by trump republicans and then inverted to seem like something at least one democrat ever said. It's absurd. No Clinton supporter ever said "It's her turn."

Right on this very thread:

Assange is a threat to them, Snowden is not. He bent the knee already, and you can tell by how the media is praising Snowden and sucking his dick while they attack and try to discredit Julian Assange at every chance they get.

oh are you le radical centrist then

They sure acted like it was though.

Video games got way too popular, tbh i rather have a stereotypical neckbeard bitch about my taste in vidya than some neo-yuppie hipster shilling for some artsy fartsy video game masquerading as art. At the least the former actually plays video games.(inb4 "le Holla Forums doesn't play vidya maymay")

Nice lie, capitalist shill:

youtube.com/watch?v=noWGgAVqU10

We have a problem with all identity politics, it's just that white idpol is just slightly more retarded than non-white idpol so it tends to get more heat.

So not constantly scrutinizing the legitimacy of my or other's 'white identity' is "self hating"?

This board tends to spurn both postcolonialist and rightist idpol. The only difference is that rightist idpol doesn't even have an academic ground beyond phrenology and pre-Mead/Boas race "science." Postcolonial theory is dubious, but "race-realism" doesn't even deserve discussion this late in the game. That's why you imagine leftists here only dislike right-idpol.

Whether you like it or not, your group matters when all the other ones are increasingly going against you. Yeah good luck trying to reason with those guys that you are not an EVIL WHITE RACIST.

Yeah, because they supported her campaign. A supporter of any political candidate will act like it's "his/her turn" based on their life of building requirements prior to the political position.

A couple of tweets? I could scour twitter for any opinion expressed by someone of any given demographic. Screenshots of stupid tweets are meaningless.

I don't have to reason with these people because they are inconsequential morons.

during the obama years sjw's would invaded and ruin media and niche hobbies forcing them to become hyper obsessed with diversity and identity politics, alienating the original market base and forcing the producer to push a political agenda instead of a quality product. Like, even if ratings and profit drop, they still pushed the agenda. People just want to go home and scratch their balls and play final fantasy. Not be lectured to about how they are sexist or racist.
And now these white nerd boys who would normally not give a fuck about politics and would be home playing like yu gi oh or some shit.
Now they are shitposting on pol and helping to elect trump.

It is not the popularity is hipster fags thinking the nanalyze comics, movies and games by just spewing forth their subjective views and weak arguments.

Everyone remembers exactly where they were the day the trans-alliance hijacked competitive disc-golf.

It was hyperbole. Was it legitimate to act like the opinion of a few people was a major talking point of the opposing party?

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wdhmbt?

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I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.

Sarkeesian didn't kill video games any more then those Christian groups against music, D&D and fun. What Sarkeesian did was pass off autistic rants about video games as analytical deconstructions to a fanbase that is too retarded to know the difference.

Stop with the idpol.
TOPKEK but actually no.
That is only because of shiity Clinton and Bernard Sanders getting fucked over, along with gerrymandering and winner takes all.
>entertainment should be devoid of politic
Not to burst your bubble but most entertainment in any medium is political.

Where? Show everyone where,

Sasuga, Holla Forums


lol wat.


True. What they feared was Anita having any influence on vidya development, which she did anyway.

really made me think

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Wow I didn't know liberals were actually leftist!

You're fucking delusional.

nigga there is 366 people browsing r/socialism right now. We got some 1200

imo the chans went to shit the second "board culture" became a thing. previously "board culture" was an unspoken, fluid thing, that morphed into a straight jacket of meme threads and stock replies.

lol at that delusion coming from both Bernitards and Trumptards. The only places where Bernie won against Hillary were either safe democrat strongholds like Oregon and Washington or safe red states like Montana and Utah. If Hillary had somehow dropped out of the primary, Bernie would have been landslided by Trump even harder and unlike Hillary no popular vote win as consolation prize either.

Did she and other feminists really have any influence on vidya development, though? I mean even if companies like Bioware are "progressive" now that doesn't mean that she had anything to do with it, and you still have indies and weeb games

Sanders was intensely popular among independents, with the democrats all behind him, he would have won in a landslide.

Bernie would have been landslided by Trump
Hello where is da actual proofs?

Talking to Holla Forums really is like talking to a child.

Nice lie, shitlib.

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More of a political nillist myself but leftypol is the only place I've found that doesn't tolerate pols bullshit. Its sad that the one thing uniting many here is being sick of pols crap.

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"black female nazis" are just a customization option

What actual influence did she have over those companies and their games?

And now pol has warped into such an abomination that stormfront considers them an embarrassment and pol hates stormfront as well(call them stormcucks). One thing pol did right was embarrass and destroy any little credibility that white nationalists had.

Since when PR involves bending over backwards to some psycho cunt and even implementing her ideas into your game? Or even CHANGING existing ones for being deemed "too excellent"? Also forgot to mention the devs of Bioshock infinite who were the first major studio to make changes on her behalf.

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also provide proofs for the other things you mentioned

…You really don't know what you're fucking talking about, do you?

That's retarded when they try to peddle their shitty game as a "serious" "historical" and "realistic" experience, going as far as hamfisting some holocaust for the first time in the CoD franchise. Adding campy sassy Nazi negresses out of some 70s blaxploitation film doesn't helps their case.

From the top of my head:
-Changes to Mirror's Edge 2
-Changes to Elizabeth in Bioshock Infinite
-Ideas implemented in Double FIne Adventure
-Changes implemented to Overwatch females
-ideas implemented on Borderlands 2

Granted, it's shitty western games but saying she didn't had any influence when even the devs BOAST about it is a LIE.

Kinda ruins the meaning of PR eh?

They want to be the gatekeepers of entertainment so consumers have less rights. SJWs are modern yuppies also known as hipsters. Majority of them are corporate shills trying to rid of the "toxic culture" as a way for profit. Even if there is no net gain they can still feel morally good about pushing idpol.

actually, PR involves a lot of bending over lol


typical """""""""""""""""""gamer"""""""""""""""""""

that game also had nazi zombies, but of course the manchildren throw a tantrum now lmfao

"campy sassy Nazi negresses out of some 70s blaxploitation film" seems right at home tbh
We both know the holocaust thing is just for shock value, same reason why they did No Russian in MW2

also i asked for actual proofs you retard

It's a shame too since they're likely going to handpicked by the industry as "critics" that will rate dogshit cinematic naughty dog games as a perfect standard of vidya while ignoring previous generation classics because it's too outdated or/and hard to play.

Like what? They all seem like the standard attractive woman fare save for Zarya and arguably Mei.
Please don't tell me you're *still* bitching about Tracer's ass.

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If you're not still mad about it then frankly you don't deserve socialism.

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This is why consumerist movements are a fucking joke.

I was never part of gamergate and I don't give a fuck about modern games

I only care about 2 things:
1) ASSSSSSS
B) TRACER

wtf i hate socialism now

Mostly due to newfags joining chans, new fags who have been attracted to more mainstream ideas youtubers like sargon.

Along with a vocal pol supporting these people.

Old 4chan wasn't some heaven on earth for the real big brain wojaks it just had the same edgelords trolling what was the most funniest thing at the time, Christian crazies and nazi habo posting and shit.

Now its slightly more politically charged and the edgy teens have become more right wing, also infestation from reddit tbh.

Don't care about ass, only justice.

I never mentioned goobergate AHHHHH.

I'll give you this one.

Leftcom coming in with the good taste

ass is justice you gay homo

So much for frowning upon "idpol" eh?

the more time i spend on imageboards the more i come to loathe them.
i used to be quite big into the whole anonymity thing, more or less bought the market of ideas meme. now we're crossing some kind of threshold where the essential pretences for an imageboard to function no longer hold: it's too often clear (statistically if nothing else) that you're posting with a fucking moron, or even an outright child. maybe i'm just getting older - maybe 15 year old me was as transparent as these dickheads - but it's become intolerable.

even lefty/pol/ is uncertain ground, really. it's nowhere near as bad as most other places, not by a ridiculous distance - but my faith in the very concept has been shaken. what if i'm talking to a moron without realizing it? what if the poster at the other end is merely emulating reasonable discussion and will soon say something absolutely ridiculous?

it might even go further than that, to destroy any utopian "but for the corporations" dreams i had for the potential of the internet and drive me to realize that such networks in themselves are inherently susceptible to idiots, but not something easily segmented into elitist cliques without other undesirable consequences. perhaps those consequences will become more tolerable as time goes on.

the worst thing is knowing that it's too late to go back. there's little to no scope for a purely offline life now. no matter where you turn, idiots everywhere. i wonder if you can voluntarily have yourself sectioned under the mental health act? perhaps in an insane asylum we might meet someone who talks sense. Or at least locate the source of the insanity that otherwise quasi-reasonable people are pulled towards online.

lol, just what I suspected.

Congratulations, the Neocon establishment agrees with you 100% on internet anonimity. How does it feels being such a shill for corporate warmongers?

I don't believe the intended readership needed a worked example, Clive.

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So it's important to note that 4chan and the "culture" born from it is fundamentally rooted in American society and culture; changes in "chan culture" were often influenced by real-world events in the US. To that end, there is for the most part no mainstream (or more appropriately "just under the mainstream") leftist political current in the US minus a moderately increasing number of socdems in recent years. "Channers," politically as well as in other ways, often sought to be contrarian and edgy: in part as an expression of ideals that would not be given a meaningful platform elsewhere, in part as a means to upset mainstream internet communities that held more conventional views/standards. Thus you ended up with, as others have pointed out, a lot of ironic racism and other "triggering" behaviors because it elicited responses. Such "edginess" was, at least at the time, not necessarily an extension of actual beliefs; 4chan and others were mostly lukewarm liberals during the Bush years and into the early Obama administration.

A peculiar thing happened though, and it was centered primarily around Holla Forums (or more accurately its predecessors) and /r9k/. Holla Forums's first incarnation was in the form of /n/-News back in 2006, and for a time it serves its initial purpose as a news board. Over time, far-right users start to collect at the fringes of the /n/ userbase, turning many news discussions into proto-Holla Forums bootlicking and idpol. Eventually that fringe starts collaborating with Stormfront and attempts to begin setting up camp on 4chan to utilize it as a platform for their activism (this was at the height of the Chanology era). moot, having openly denounced Stormfront, cans /n/ and turns it into /n/-Transportation. There are protests for a while, but the userbase eventually dissolves into the other boards once more: that far-right fringe had not yet gained the numbers to have any substantial influence on the rest of the site, but they do become literal fifth-columnists in the intermediate time. /r9k/ also appears around this time and, lacking any defined purpose as a board, begins to descend into what we know it as today.

2010 rolls around, and the News board is restored as /new/. It enjoys a brief period of being primarily news, followed by Ron Paul shilling, followed by the re-emergence of the fifth column. They once again start rallying Stormfront and other sites to begin astroturfing the board, this time with far more success. It becomes bad enough that, within a year of its creation, /new/ is shut down once more along with /r9k/. moot once again denounces Stormfront and company as part of his shut down of /new/, while stating that /r9k/'s test purpose had been fulfilled and the feelfags had to take it elsewhere. This time the shutdown was not nearly as successful, as the communities of those boards (at least the components of them that we'd recognize today) had become substantial enough that, when they dispersed into the other boards, they become such a pollutant that the site users practically begged moot to restore the deleted boards. Sure enough, by the end of the year, Holla Forums was made and /r9k/ was reborn. It was too late though: the stormfags and the hyper-betas had their fingers in everyone's pies and weren't going to just fuck off now that they had a board to themselves back. They (mostly Holla Forums) used prior astroturffing strategies to pressure more and more users to adopt Holla Forums-lite behavior (thus creating fertile ground for more adamant holders of such views) as well as low-key proselytizing that took advantage of dissatisfaction with Obama-era neoliberalism and (later) the SJW personalities that came into prominence around the time of Gamergate. /r9k/ in turn became Holla Forums's auxiliary voice and mediator to various NEET demographics site-wide.

What we see now is the emergence of an internal contradiction with the underlying current of "chan culture" whereas their views have since entered mainstream but there is a desperate desire to cling to that initial contrarian nature. Additionally, it is now laid bare for all to see the results of Holla Forums (ironically) encouraging the mass influx of non-native users; the fact that they have since become the mouthpiece of establishment neocons and alt-right opportunists who ultimately despise any characteristic that is reminiscent of the board's roots as part of an imageboard.

Take your meds and stop ban evading.

Chans have always been racist, sexist, and everything else you presumptive newfag.

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r/The_Dildo is edgy liberals. And even then, their forum is dwarfed by all the anti-Trump political subs.

The Donald knows Holla Forums hates them, and even then they only know about 4/pol/. Meanwhile, Holla Forums actively recruited from /r/socialism and other reddit boards.

Chan culture was never inherently leftwing, it simply promoted fun, and looked to the left to advocate it for them. The honestly of anonymity lead to people being able to voice their true opinions. Brutal honesty leads to promotion of Darwinian ideals, competitiveness. Redistribution of wealth is exposed as bullshit with nobody forcing its narrative.

And hating animal abuse has nothing to do with left wing or right wing.

Reddit admins actively suppress the Donald, banned /r/European for posting hatefacts about refugees, allows blatant political vote manipulation for leftist causes they agree with, etc etc. Saying reddit isn't leftist is fucking retarded.

everyone is a retard and continues to be retarded

This is the only good post in the whole fucking thread.

A Baffler and Jacobin writer actually wrote a whole book on that very question. It's appropriately titled, "Kill All Normies."

amazon.com/dp/1785355430/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_ZCdzzb2KKR12W

youtube.com/watch?v=KG_eNDiV5jk
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oh boy the Cacastani Army is here


heh, kinda wish they'd named it something less Watchlist-y

Chan culture grew up.
It was thanks to SJWs.

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You got trick'd, porky pulled the wool over your eyes fam

Hint Holla Forums:
you are right wing sjws

oh yeah Hillary totally beat the shit out of Bernie :^)

and 4chan was also against Fox News which is Republican media.

4chan is still against Faux News.

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Holla Forums isn't.

No, just no. Holla Forums was astroturfed by outside forces, not some tiny place like stormfront either, this was a well-planned operation.

jews done it

when did this happen?

who told you that, fag? Holla Forums has been banned and filtered on /r/socialism basically since it hit 300 members. Not to mention the fact that Holla Forums-leddit crossboarders have been extremely common since the Zimmerman trial for 4chan, and the second exodus of Reddit (Hotwheels actively TRIED to get them posting on the site) for Holla Forums.

I'm holding on to that hope user.

I'd be really nice to go on a /tg/ gamefinder thread and not have to put up with three dipshits who have Pinochet as their Discord avatar, or talk about capeshit on Holla Forums without "muh mudslimes" spergouts.

some fag
Holla Forums

Yes it does, Nazis were capitalists

The Donald ARE Holla Forums

HIGH FREQUENCY AUTISM

even as someone that was in support off GG that comment is fucking retarded
there was nothing stopping you from playing final fantasy or any real game
games werent even as bad or / diverse when it started but they sure in the hell are now.

it seems like that sperg out just made it worse

no they were you fuckboy reddit cancer stick

its still anti-authoritarian but since you're retarded you cant tell that
the chans never been left or right its just chaos and anarchy jumping behind whichever force at the preaches destruction and lulz
the left is preachy authoritarian bullshit and marxism is the ideology espoused by those screeching banshees and fun police on university campuses so the culture shifts to the antithesis of that
which is what you dont like really
funny thing is nobody really knew anything about nazi's or fascism before the left started shoving their shit down peoples throats
then they started reading the ebul nahzee literature, some anons notice parallels between what those bad boys experienced and the shitty conditions we live in now and have revived the dragon is all

really gets the neurons firing

Very oldfag here (as in been using 4chan since it's launch, came from GoGaia, sue me)

Your theory is pretty much on the ball, but it was a mix of things.

/r9k/ sexual anxiety leading to Redpill shit.

Holla Forums getting fucking triggered by any cultural criticism of games representation of women. This along with the rise of smug Tumblr idpol turning everyone off the left at the time.

Neo-Athiest community turning into "Anti-SJW" community and merging with the right wing to form an anti-left narrative.

Fucktonnes of Stormfront astroturfing on 4chan. (pic related).

Frankly, the alt-right is basically a made for reactionary ideology for white, male, nerds so they don't have to engage in any self criticism as to why women don't want to be around them.

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I see you're posting videos of the aut-right
so easy to get sheep to do whatever you tell them to
they're just LARPing normalfags with no political beliefs or ideas of themselves
happy to follow whatever their favourite edgy e-celeb says and give them their hard earned wages for a feeling of purpose

If you hate people that are less intelligent than you the only way to never interact with them is to either never interact with anyone or start murdering them.

There was a slow encroachment on Holla Forums as well. I remember when scans daily started cracking down on "ableism" and shit like that, and the outrage/ambivalence that sparked on Holla Forums.

Remember when a group of feminists and muslims glorious uprising and you say that they represent the whole group. Well, stop being a fucking hypocrite.

go up the average aut-right and ask one about fascism
ask for their opinions on Evola or what they think of Moseleys economic model and you'll get blank eyed stares
you can definitely ask for a feminist for their opinion on Germaine Greer or a muslim for their opinion of the Qu'ran because they believe what they've read and incorporate it into their worldview
the average aut-righter is motivated by reddit and facebook posts not ideology

If you read Evola then you would ride the tiger and beclme a Landian shit poster.

contrarian nature of users is the answer, just as they were against those things during the bush administration they changed as obama became president and other things became the status quo. I guarantee you after years of trump, regardless of how well he actually does, they'll be a push against more right-wing things.

keep telling yourself that

i too miss the old days when 4chan was filled with humorless moralfags

I wasn't around Imageboards till 2014-2015.
But I was around on YouTube since 2008-2009, I was comfortable back then, with the true Skeptic Atheist community with the Amazing Atheist, Thunderf00t and Dark mater.
Bashing conservatives and religious people was cool back then, we laughed at conservatives, but there was a moment when this took off, and everyone in here hasn't pointed at it yet, and it was when the amazing Atheist did his first video on retarded liberal feminists, that's when shit hit the fan, I still hate feminists for their identity politics, don't get me wrong, but when the libertarians that were pissed about feminism and identity politics from occupy Wall Street, saw it they knew they could hold on to that and get a revenge on the "leftists" for sabotaging the part of occupy Wall Street libertarian movement.(libertarians told me this.)
From 2011 to 2013 it's when these anti SJW started to emerge.
I then was confused but left leaning then in 2013 I read kropotkin,Bakunin and malatesta I was turning into an Ancom and managed to get me involved with it, I was loving all the ideological enrichment or so I saw it back then.
But then the anti SJW movement caught up to me in 2014, I started to get involved with "An"caps and Agorism and got sucked into the movement, I lost contact with my Ancom comrades (witch I still haven't reconciled sadly) and I began to be isolated because, there weren't any "An"caps or Agorists in my country and I began to watch MGTOW in 2015 and that year I noticed far too much hatred towards women, brown people, black people and just right wing hatred, that I fucking hated since I was Younger.
there was a huge split in the "An"cap community, there was the anti statist and the "An"caps that formed this unholy alliance with somet they called Holla Forums, damn and these guys where insane, I never got too involved with rothbard, I was more an Agorist because I thought that an Agorist Ancom alliance could be formed and I liked some of the Ancom stuff from the past.
Then I started browsing/pol/ oh wow how fucking depressing, every one hated me.
I felt like shit and MGTOW sucked me up and at one point I became so angry and unhappy that I wanted to kill my self and the view of the world was so grim and dark.
I began shitposting in 4chan Holla Forums and other boards oh wow it was fun, I left my political views behind but I noticed more and more right wingers every where, it was nauseating but I kept going on, YouTube was unbearable at this point, pure hatred pouring from every corner, I deleted my channel witch had a dozen of subscribers and I was being mentioned on some big channels I deleted it all.
Then 2016 Trump was all over the place, I arrived to Holla Forums because I saw a documentary about the migration to Europe and everyone in the comments mentioned Holla Forums Holla Forums it was horrible and I discovered Holla Forums with only 450 active users, when I discovered this place I was re started, I didn't felt like a piece of shit anymore and I pretty much avoided YouTube for that year, I got into school, shitposting in Holla Forums/b/ was glorious I made some friends and kept on battling in Holla Forums Holla Forums I gave up on 4chan because it was horrible with trump supporters all over the place.
And here we are 2017 and I have begun to wat h YouTube again it's shit.
But I have been watching some positive changes.
And leftists ideas are kind of taking off, not to the extent that I would like to watch but it's something.
We have reached the end of my experience as I witnessed it, hopefully you don't hate me all for this.

Sorry for my poor English I'm not a native English speaker.
Also I'm no longer an agorist.
I'm an anarchist with slight leftist tendencies.

wew lad
SARCASM REACHING MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE

Teenagers are gullible as fuck and desperate for acceptance. This was always a thing on the internet, but recently certain political groups took advantage of this adolescent naiveté push their agenda. Now these dumb kids are stuck pushing a message they don't fully understand and they can't back out because their fragile egos can't handle the embarrassment of being duped.

Now am I talking about Holla Forums or am I talking about SJWs?

well one actively recruits new members on the street and pushes their shit across all social media
the other shuns social media save to raid it and actively derides new members in attempts to drive them away for being 'faggots'
dont delude yourself tbh

As I understand it, people do not really care about ancap/fascism, or understand what it means.
All that matters to them is that they do not fit in, so they're opposing the most vocal voices (liberals, antifa), which they blame for them being unable to fit in.

fascism is pretty much the new rock, the new fuck you mom and dad.

yeah because if you push shit on kids they reject it
when you brainwash them with one ideal and they discover a different one when they grow older that you've spent their entire life demonising they're going to feel lied to
the only way you can spread an ideology in a moral way that will succeed is to explain all theories to them and discuss the pros and cons of each one without bias or at least acknowledging that bias
it seems theres noone left alive who understands the absolute necessity of impartial discussion

Here you go user

I was an MRA and an Ancap before that shit blew up. We're talking like 2010.

A lot of what others in this thread are saying is true. Scoial media is to blame mostly.
But also the angry, lonely sexually frustrated element sort of canbalized itself. The "the world kicked the shit out of me and Im some sort of misunderstood genius" horseshit.

I was lucky enough to get incredibly ill. Spend 6 months on bed rest reading and by the time I was out my worldview had done a 180.

It was akin to being in a building and then finding out it burned to the ground 5 minutes after you left.

Of course the people want traditional values, the LGBT community is cancer.

speak for yourself
your generalities are not mine.
retard