You guys just don't get it, the word Socialism itself is Fucked

I know you guys hate Chomsky but he made a really valid point about the movement and it was this: During the Cold War, the 2 leading superstates of the world both ran extensive propaganda campaigns which reached every corner of the world. Both of these campaigns affirmed the notion that the clusterfuck that was soviet socialism was in fact actual communism. Marxist-Leninism became a synonym with socialism and communism over night and instead of educating people and setting things straight, Stalin's campaigns accepted this, as did China and other red states.

It doesn't really matter what brand of leftism you advocate, if it's associated with the word socialism, it will be smeared by every corner of the political world, including mouth-breathing tankies who insist state capitalism is socialism. History has been absolutely and completely twisted to ruin the word socialism, the question is do we accept it and try something else or do we still fight for the word and deal with the images of gulags being conjured up in every mind?

To combat this, Marxist politicians try to get by under the banner of Market socialism or Democratic socialism but the public already has a concrete image of what that 2nd word in both means. Sure Bernie had some success but it wasn't nearly enough to win the presidency and much of his success came from the anti-establishment and grassroots fundraising meme, nobody was cheering over the word socialism, they just reinterpreted the word to mean state hand-outs. Hell, Reddit and leftypol seem to believe that America would have given him the presidency had he won the primaries. This is false, our polling for a Trump vs Bernie election was A. done before ANY concentrated propaganda was thrown his way B. not nearly high enough to suggest that Bernie could win comfortably. He only polled a few points better than Hillary, against Trump, in match ups. By no means were the polls suggesting a landslide victory. As somebody working from the inside, Bernie ran a very white liberal campaign, this would have ruined his turn-out and it did do so during the primaries, it was part of the reason he lost and why black voters flocked to Hillary in droves.

The onus is on us to repackage communism or to somehow extensively educate the public. The traditional methods of promoting and arguing for socialism will never work again.That well hasn't just been poisoned for socialism, the water has been drained and replaced with pure cyanide. You can take a bucket of it and offer it to the public, but nothing will convince the public to start drinking from it asides from a gun threat. This is not me trashing Socialism, this is me giving insight on how badly the public has been indoctrinated to oppose it. I don't have the answer, but I do believe we'd be better off promoting a 3rd way instead of apologizing for the USSR and 3rd world countries with red flags.

(You)

just where do u think u are

He lost the nonwhite vote by millions.


Good luck trying to change the material conditions when everyone wants to burn you.

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Okay, socialism is now used for anything from liberal democracies, taxes and well, actual socialism.
So I get it, but what other word could we use? And the same goes for communism.
Now we would need many, many new words and many notes in the books written before the demonization of those words by rightist propaganda.

It's better to stay with what we have and not have to do all that.

Fucking disgusting.

Bernie isn't socialist, he's succdem.

Yeah, I know a better label for your political alignment. It's "liberal."

You ought to be banned for trying to derail the thread. Btw bernie lost big time, cry more.

Anything that doesn't recall Leninism.

Proletarianism

To the libsocs here: Call yourselves "classical libertarians" or "classical anarchists". Why not? The right has had some amount of success rebranding themselves as "classical liberals". It'll piss off ancaps and the like. They appropriated the words anarchist and libertarian, when the people to coin these terms were leftist! Wouldn't it be nice to take them back?

You've derailed your own thread. It's total shit anyway. The label conversation has been had countless times, and every time is just as meaningless as the last time.

I argued against voting for him at all on Holla Forums ages ago. I don't care about Bernie, but only idiots and liberals fall for the "Bernie Bro" meme promulgated by the Clinton camp.

naw socialism is becoming more accepted every day, in fact, once the boomers die off the majority of the population will be friendly to socialism
FUCK. YOU.

The revolution is rather libertarian for the proletarian. For the capitalist it is very, very authoritarian.

Capitalism is authoritarian

Authoritarianism is a real position you chimp

"Classical libertarian" seems actually a bunch of words that the left could gain from. But imho even GOMMUNIST is a word worth fighting for ESPECIALLY now that the URSS doesn't have the copyright on it. And btw in europe there are places where you can call yourself a communist and people will be like yeah its a valid political opinion. Sounds crazy I know but we still aren't full burgermode

kys kiberal

Jesus christ what a fucking puppet.

Only tankies hate Chomsky
Also the Soviet Union wasnt socialism

Good. 'Socialism' is a weasel word for those who want to sanitise Communism.

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