Would you supportt any leftist movement even if it wasn't of your exact ideology?
I mean for example you are a ML but there's a Leftcom movement in your country, would you help the cause?
Would you supportt any leftist movement even if it wasn't of your exact ideology?
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Yes. After the unified left wins, we can figure out what sort of leftism to implement later because we all agree on one very important thing that must happen first.
Dismantle capitalism.
Of course. MLs usually end up on top anyways.
duh? would anyone say no to this?
I would say no if it was some market socialism/Mutualist bullshit
what the fuck, why?
absolutely. the idea that social moderates and other left wing ideologies can't exist within the political sphere peacefully - are in fact enemies - is stalinist propaganda
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Not the same person but it's probably because mutualism/market socialism is the height of the "coops are socialism" meme
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NIGGA I WANT FREE SHIT, THATS THE REASON WHY I FOUGHT THE REVOLUTION FOR!
Of course I would, as long as I don't get stabbed in the back by my fellow comrades.
… is Sandinista the new shitposting flag?
as long as they're not trots, leninists, MLs, Maoists, or leftcoms yes.
Isn't the point of communism doing whatever the fuck you want and taking what's necessary without being too selfish? I'm from Nicaruaga but Bernie convinced me
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I don't even dislike ML, i just dont agree with their method but i would help them no doubt
I wouldn't help out NazBols, Ancaplites, or radical socdems.
Funny cause the party became state capitalist
Yep, everyone else is fine
If they were leftist, of course. MLs are right-wing, though.
God damn this sectarian bullshit is why gulags would need to be a thing.
ok
OK, found the one I wouldn't support. But it's a meme ideology, so no chance of it happening.
Can get behind most of them other than Nazbol or Juche.
Holla Forumsshit confirmed
in theory all socialist tendencies have the same goal so maybe but i don't think i could trust a tankie not to gulag me or my comrades after the revolution.
Leftcom and movement don't fit in the same sentence lol.
Their arm chairs have their asses permanently plastered in place.
Almost unconditionally, yeah.
Just not Juche or turd positionists. I don't consider modern socdems to be socialist.
Get out
it depends. anarchos, MLs, etc., no matter your tendency you are all prone to opportunism. its a tough bet and you can only take situations like that on a case by case basis.
for example, SAlt in the US i might tacitly support as some kind of socdem opportunist tactic, but I wouldn't want them imposing some kind of revolutionary vanguard. I just… don't trust trots. never knew why but i really don't trust them.
Depends on the movement, but yeah.
Yes. I'm certain there are going to be dozens of failed revolutions before the "real" one. As long as the changes to society are an improvement that will encourage people to move left, I'm down.
No. Most of them, probably. But there are a few fucking retarded ideologies that call themselves "leftist".
Of course, I'm an ML and will support any leftist uprising (although not nazbol, I don't now how that is considered leftist)
ITT:
Spooked anons who think ideologies create revolution and not classes of people.
This a hundred times
Worst offender is
Mein Gott!
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When someone says 'Socialism' will just happen it means a revolt to tyranny is natural, but I guess keep in mind that we are that natural revolt, so it's still our responsibility
If it is a real movement to abolish the present state of affairs, who's conditions result from the premises now in existence, and not the attempt to establish a state of affairs, an ideal to which reality has to adjust itself, yes.
It really isn't that hard to understand this guys.
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What?
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S-stop bullying
my bad, leftcoms do make movements
bowel movements
into their colostomy bags
which they then yell at the trots to change
you forgot a few:
the enemy is capital itself, not capitalists
This. Market socialists cant into vol 2/3 for some reason
M-Ls are irrelevant in the West anyway. There are dozens of active and defunct M-L and Trot parties in my country and they all call each other revisionists and hate each other. Anarchists and autonomists are far more prominent. If a leftist revolution happened in the West, it wouldn't be an M-L one.
Libertarian Socialism or bust. M-L ideologies are pretty cancer tbh
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ML won't happen in rich countries, Luxerburgist socialism or anarchism will happen maybe
I would probably support the fascists tbh. they always seem to win in western countries and I don't want to be gassed.
that's a sound plan
ahistorical.
Sure.
Every revolution has a civil war a few years later.
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Only people against this are spouting "muh ideological purity".
Capitalism is the prime enemy. It is the priority. We'll figure the rest out after, eh?
sure we will, mate
sure we will…
Everyone except maoists
As in third-worldism? What's wrong with it?
Worker ownership/control of the means of production is the only universally agreed upon trait of socialism. Any ideology which institutionalizes this is socialism, including mutualism, deal with it.
It's the same sort of condescension as white man's burden style imperialism
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Are Marxists actually this arrogant and retarded?
tankies
the ones who don't read, yeah
Welp, we're done here.
the modern form of socialism was intellectually founded by karl marx with his critique of capitalism, this is a fact.
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Well yeah except for Trots, MLs, Maoists, Stalinists, Hoxhaism, Titoism
Jesus was a Titoist
…But how?…
jesus was a mentally ill person that swindled gullible peasants
he's talking about the postcolonialism bs
No, we must support Jesus and his disciples in their struggle against Roman imperialism and opportunist Rabbi.
would support communalism and leftcom but not tankies
It isn't all bad.
As an incoherent memeist I have to admit this is a reasonable course of action.
I was being sarcastic
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