Hey dudes. Since I'm in the beginning phases with a Trump phanatic on why the US is shit and I think I might use US funded terrorism. Best to avoid Wikipedia because "not a real arguement" bull. Specifically I know of a few events. Americans paying for right wing terrorists to rebel in Chile, and the US funding Al-Queda back when the Afghan invasion was going on. So please give me sources so I don't look like a fool
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Kevin Ramirez
Read the Chomsky fam
Eli Carter
OP. Here. Any counter arguments you'd think for China and Stalin's Gulags?
David Butler
Why would you want to defend those shitholes?
Christopher Fisher
Because he brings those up as "only real communism" turns out he's some sort of lulbertarian who reshares Ben Garrison political comics. If it was just us I'd dismiss it but a group is viewing it so I have to actively debate topics I'm not familiar with
Jayden Reyes
Ronald Reagan sold missiles to Iran even after Congress banned him from doing that.
Then he took the money from the missles and used it to fund murder squads in Nicaragua because the Nicaraguans elected a leftist government.
Ryder Garcia
And speaking of Iran, it was actually a very pro-western country for a very long time, until the people decided they were tired of APOC (basically BP) taking all their oil.
So they elected a guy named Mohammad Mosaddegh who paid APOC's investors fair market value for the oil fields and took ownership.
APOC's investors in England were outraged that they got their money back instead of getting the oil they wanted, so they asked the Americans to have the CIA overthrow Mosaddegh's government.
CIA overthrows the Iranian government, installs a dictator (the Shah). The Shah cracked down on political dissent everywhere except the mosques. So then the Islamists rose up and overthrew the Shah, and voila! One Islamic terror state, all because some English businessmen refused a refund for their oil fields.
Blake Torres
He's also brought this image up…I've pointed out the contradictory statements but I'm either "damage controlling" or "I'm a conspiracy theorist"
Thank you for the information I haven't heard about before
Julian Campbell
Back at home, in 1968, a leftist organizer in Chicago united poor blacks and poor whites to support an organization that directly benefited the poor people (The Black Panther Party).
They had free breakfast for poor kids. They had free medical clinics for poor families. They stopped the police from brutalizing poor people for no reason. And what did the US government do?
**The FBI teamed up with the Chicago PD to assassinate him. An FBI informant drugged him so that he wouldn't wake up, then they kicked in his door and shot everyone in the apartment, including Hampton's girlfriend who was 8 months pregnant*.
Fred Hampton was 21 years old. If he were alive today, he'd be 69 I believe.
Isaiah Taylor
Formatting failure. Oh well.
There are countless examples of this bullshit, but the TLDR is that US intelligence services will murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people if they dare to elect a government that threatens big businesses.
Nathaniel Edwards
Call him a cuck and press the attack. Getting stuck defending ML autism is a losing battle, make him justify wage theft and go for his balls.
William Bailey
Can I get a link to all the events. Since "cititation needed" is his big critical argument for literally 80% of what I say
Gabriel Jenkins
Remind the person that prison labor is/was a thing right here in the good old land of the free. If he thinks that the gulags were "death camps" and therefore not comparable to US prisons, tell him about how more inmates are executed annually at Louisianas Angola Penitentiary than will be released.
Julian Garcia
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Brody Butler
Btw that fact about prison execution is a quote from the warden of that particular prison.
Aiden Garcia
Link on it for the debate?
Cameron Perry
Links are a big thing I need right now. But the subjects for arguments are greatful thank you all
Luke Stewart
I dont know what your friend would want for sources about those events unless he big into CT and denies they happened. The CIA documents on Chile are declassified and available and curated nicely here nsarchive.gwu.edu
US founding al-qaeda during the Soviet-Afghan war was pretty widely covered. They made a shitty movie out of it called Charlie Wilson's War and its alluded to in the end of a Rambo movie that came out at the time. There's a book about it called Ghost Wars that's an easy read. But don't stop there; the US has funded tons of terrorism. One thing you could talk about is Operation Gladio, where NATO had secret agents operating in Europe against communists. This led to a major bombing attack in Italy perpetrated by fascists with US assistance and initially blamed on the left. There's a story about it here
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At the 9:49 mark the warden talks about how they burry more people than they release.
Julian Butler
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FDR rose to power and dramatically scaled back the interventions. Then when he started directly threatening the large corporations, they tried to recruit Smedley Butler (pic related) to lead a fascist dictatorship in the US that would overthrow our representative democracy.
Butler was a veteran of the US interventions in The Phillippines, Nicaragua, The Dominican Republic, and Haiti, and he despised the corporate use of military force that he'd enabled, so he refused.
NOBODY WENT TO JAIL FOR THIS.
Liam Lewis
If that person is bringing up obvious antifa falseflags you know they're not arguing in good faith. It doesn't matter whether he believes it's real or not, he wants it to be real to justify his reactionary position.
Kevin Peterson
On the bright side OP locked the post so now we can't argue with each other anymore but I'll save these links
Jack Martin
Looking to the period AFTER Roosevelt died, what do we have?
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And we're still not even to the invention of the fucking color TV yet.
Nicholas Perez
Nigga, continue.
Charles Long
Gotta be at home to do that. Phone posting isn't great for making huge lists.
Jonathan Harris
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Those are the ones where the US's involvement are common knowledge to historians. There are probably more, especially recently, that we don't know about. These things tend to only be revealed decades after the fact, but there is precisely zero reason to believe that we've stopped.
Jayden Collins
Zachary Phillips
Gulags were discontinued in 1960s and deathrates were highly inflated due to everything dying was claimed under socialism. The Kuomingtang was much worse. Read tankie bloggers like espressostalinist.
Cameron Collins
Oh, so he trusts CNN and the rest of the MSM? Not doing so makes you a conspiracy theorist!
Camden Mitchell
Thanks, comrade!
Logan Reed
Those stats are….totally believable. Dang! I guess it really was a workers paradise after all.
Xavier Wilson
The current US prison population doing slave labour is literally 21th century gulags
Cameron Gomez
watch the untold history of the united states