Rojava General: Tears of the Turk Edition

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DELETE THIS

forgive me for being a dummie but they mean former us soldiers right?

Leave it All to me!

5th for BO being a tankie & for a link to the old thread

web.archive.org/web/20170705045347/https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1782875.html

Syria general is dead. Putting the cycle on this thread unless BO decides otherwise.

All according to plan tbh

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He's right. Anarkiddies are usually political neophytes and don't actually know how political theory works. Still I prefer Rojava since it is ethnic nationalist.

Both sides are horrible. Anarchists don't understand theory and are stubborn children, and Jason is an autist that perceives every meme about him as a personal attack and has a massive stick up his ass.

I'm just trying to have a good time

Because Roo is a textbook narcissist.

youtube.com/watch?v=namwFYZ0wo8&index=13&list=PLcjFWuvIFFzJr5eXvb4rG_F-68lw4TK4T
Tell me this doesn't describe Roo to a T.

I agree that this does fit Jason to a degree, but I don't think this video is correct. Plenty of narcissists know very well not to childishly brag about their exploits, but to display humility and altruism to emotionally blackmail others. The people you see in the first row of popular charity events? High chance they are narcissists.

She mentions that later in the video. She says her narc ex acted very humble at first.

Well, there is a unit of about 900 men in 'murican special forces that's in the area, supported by an artillery battery.
They seem to have been focused on what special forces do best, mostly executing raids against ISIS bases and supply-lines.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raqqa_campaign_(2016–present)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_the_Raqqa_campaign_(2016–17)#Anti-ISIL_forces

Yes, a pile of 900 men is a large heap by itself, about 6-9 companies worth, but it's not that much when you consider that over 35,000 participate in the battle on the SDF side alone.

Also try this one:
youtube.com/watch?v=hcZGtVtz7tA&index=17&list=PLcjFWuvIFFzJr5eXvb4rG_F-68lw4TK4T

Top bantz, much ebin

You are naive or delusional if you think that the manpower of any faction in the war is anywhere near what they say it is. Just like with enemy losses they are massively inflated. In a single strategic offense there's probably only thousands of fighters active. Even in Raqqa there's an estimated 2500 men defending. Manbec also had a few thousand men and women, if that. Makes sense with the after-action sheet saying the YPG lost a few hundred men and women in total.

If there truly was tens of thousands of men on all sides then the war would be a lot bloodier and individual reports wouldn't state so few losses that only number in the tens.

Thank you based volunteer.


SDF is huge but you have to remember that very few of the mobilized troops sit at the front. The closer you come to the front the denser the checkpoints become, you have logistics, troops held back to reinforce or counter attack if necessary, troops on rest, troops coordinating the refugee flow, heavy weapons units that engage from very far away, troops that demine and sweep taken areas ect. So at the front lines directly you propabably have only a few thousand troops but 20k troops for all of the offensive sounds reasonable.

In regards to US troops their impact is hard to quantify as they keep away from the frontlines in most cases. But they help with everything that isnt directly at the front nowadays.

Holla Forumssg/ here usually just lurking these threads from time to time.
What do yall think about how the situation between the US and the SDF is developing? Especially the claims that the US has airlifted FSA
troops to SDF held lands in order to prepare for an offensive towards Deir Ez Zor.
Personally Im banking on what I consider the true Kurdish cause (PKK and YPG) to say fuck you to the americans and to split from the SDF coalition. This I think would be for a number of reasons:
For these reasons I can see the Afrin Kurds (who are more aligned with PKK and also are still open for talks with the government) to turn their backs towards the US coalition and resume their true cause of removing daesh and other islamist groups from kurdish territory instead of occupying arab areas for more leverage for the US at Astana.

I really just want the good old Assad and Kurds united against a common enemy days back ;_;

That FSA is still at Tanaf and hasn't been brought into SDF territory. Bullshit rumour. SDF have created a Deir Ezzor Military Council and they've taken some territory in DeZ province but I think SAA will take DeZ itself, and SDF won't begrudge them too much.

BO step down when?

Even if you count every active fighter holding arms from Cizre to éfrin I doubt they would number 35000. The actual manpower involved in the war is surprisingly low. Again, this applies to every faction.
Jaish Al-Islam had a beef with another FSA militia because one of them wouldn't participate in an offensive, as a result that same offensive was pushed back. I can't remember if it was at Homs or what.
The SDF has consistenly used the offensive tactic of sending up a single squad (numbering less than half a dozen) to take an enemy position until reinforcements are available. Jac Holmes talked a little about that on Reddit, I believe.
Èfrin has conscription for HAT
An article posted to kurdishquestion.com stated an equal observation of low manpower at a very active front at that time.
Anyways these are a few examples, in my mind, that goes to show how strangely low the amount of fighters actually are. I guess we are used to seeing a massive amount of fighters from reading history books or just looking at the amount of active personel at an average U.S fort.


Party ideology dictates that this isn't only a "kurdish" cause. Nationalism has a big place in all members but DFNS is pluralist down at the very roots.

Èfrin isn't anymore aligned with the PKK than Cizre and KobanÊ is. HPG have members under the YPG/J banners in all of the cantons. I'm sorry if this is nitpicking but it seems that a lot of people are already confused as is with PKK's involvement.

If the SDF were to fight at DEZ even with the turkish FSA, then you best believe that a condition would be installing DemCon and integrating it into DFNS

Yeah, like in 2004 how ba'athist dogs massacred kurdish youth at a football game!


Probably. Taking DEZ would be costly and SAA already have an isolated position there which daesh couldn't even take after all these years

discuss it here so we don't wait until BO's spergouts kill the board.


Is this the best source for information on rojava?

Not confirmed, but if true then its good, USA getting entagled in some bullshit at Tanf because muh Iran would be very bad in the long term for Rojava. In general a offensive to take the areas south of Shadadi led by Arab units in the SDF is a good idea, although any further into the lower Euphrates Valley would be a extremely retarded idea and I hope USA and SDF dont do that.

You are misunderstanding the dynamics here a lot, YPG is the core of the SDF. Without YPG the SDF is just as shitty as the common rebels in Idlib and the Souther Front. SDF was a tool but YPG command(which holds all the cards) is starting to activly recruit Arabs directly instead of like before into their allied arab formations. This means that they are keeping the rebel formations small while still developing a strong foodhold in the arab communities. SDF is just the institutionalised alliance that existed before allready.

There is no devision between Afrin canton command and Kobane and Cizre command, both americans and russians pretend that there is a difference but there isnt. This current situation helps everyone but you shouldnt be fooled.

More misconceptions, DFNS/Rojava is a revolutionary project for all of Syria, while Kurdish nationalism plays a role it is less important than most claim. If you look at Manbij the situation is calm and all reports show that most people are fine with the current administration, this whole occupation of arab areas is nonsense and is based on a misunderstanding of what the YPG and TEV-DEM wants. Rojava is excluded from all international talks btw. and SDF has every right to fight for every piece of Syria.

There are many misconception about the YPG and TEV-DEM in pro gov circles I am going to clear some of them up.
Nope, while there are local deals and they live side by side previous russian instigated talks have failed and Assad has shown no sign of being willing to compromise, even in Afrin PYD officials showed anger after recent talks where they felt blackmailed by Russia, how that plays out will be seen as Russia apparently is not willing yet to sell out Afrin to Turkey. You also have to mention the active recruitment for pro gov formations in SDF areas which is not building trust exactly.
Every TEV-DEM, YPG and other official is in clear knowledge that the USA is not reliable and will betray them at some point. But due to Assad being unwilling to open talks and Russia not being willing to fully replace the role that the USA plays atm there has been a slight shift towards further cooperation with the USA(there has been some internal dissent on that but the side that wants to go with USA for now apparently won). USA also has shown to be ready to escalate their support into new areas, like providing aid and medical support which didnt happen before, without this the current offensives against ISIS wouldnt be possible. In general the USA strategy is aimless currently and they have no longterm plan, which is perfect for the SDF as that means the military will continue their close cooperation with them against ISIS while they are not subject to larger pressure to play proxy for the USA. They know very well that their only hope is to reintigrate into Syria with an autonomy deal, but this deal will only come to fruit if they have sufficient power on their own as they dont have any long term allies, this means that building up their power is paramount and if the USA offers that they will take whatever they can.

holy shit my comment got to long and I had to cut shitloads of stuff allready. This war is just way to complex smh.

They are a left revolutionary group with wide goals that aimed at Syria and they wont compromise on a number of core issues. They dont fear conflict and will fight for their believes. While the civilian side is undoubtedly strong and influential as they are growing fast to carry the revolution into a population of 2-4 million people and thus influence towards a more peaceful more diplomatic approach to maintain what has been gained it is very unlikely that they will justt bow to assad for meager gains. This means:
In short they are a unique actor and cant be compared with the likes of local FSA groups willing to accept peace with assad easily.

I counted asayish and HPC in with the 20k, while the actual fights are quite small the number of people concerned with maintaining security is massive, and one of the main claims for legitimacy for any actor in the SCW.


kurdishquestion is ok, but its doesnt offer a complete picture and is heavy on the propaganda. Twitter, local news, and facebook sites are also important. Reading the output of american analysts and media is also necessary to understand the goals(or non existance of these) of the USA. There really is no good single source.

Oh.

*they will fight Assad even if they are abandoned by all temporary allies and are sure to loose if negotiations fall and there is no other option. Anyone who thinks that they will fold when SAA threatens them is wrong.

This is so petty

Reposting this article as it gives a very good impression on what is going on in Rojava: novaramedia.com/2017/02/01/a-real-revolution-is-a-mass-of-contradictions-interview-with-a-rojava-volunteer/

Regarding Russia - Afrin situation:
twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/882593974627827712 I think PYD will play for time to keep gov influence as small as possible.

I think I am going to do a post soonish where I list some sources.

Support Rojava against Turkish Imperialism

Anha and ANF are best news sources for YPG and Rojava.

ANF is essentially the propaganda outlet of the PKK but it still has plenty of valuable local reporting.

reminder that the ypg's and rojavas days are numbered and it'll find its end together with the other terrorist rats

why is he pretending so hard to hate imageboards?

here's your (You)
marxists.org/archive/hardcastle/russian_imperialism.htm

Someone should drop in and say that Rojava isn't revolutionary because genuine revolution can't come from the third world

To my knowledge, he posts on halfchan's Holla Forums.

Fucking why? I mean, Jason is a fag, but surely no-one beyond their early teens can have standards so low.

You can tweet him and ask him about it.

He's a fat white guy who pretends to be indigenous and wrote a book about the economy of a video game between larping for youtubebux. He doesn't have standards.

Thanks.

Tankies, fucking explain how you are anti imperialist when you support a guy working in tandem with both the Russians and fucking Erdogan.

muh legitimate government, Assad never did anything to Kurds.

Tweet this to Roo and tell him that regurgitating "muh primary contradiction" won't work here.

Apart from culturally repress them before the war and left them open to attack from jihadists and later Daesh. The kurds arm themselves to fight the islamists, then he says "submit to me or I will let Islamic Mussolini invade you". He is a pawn of imperialism, and defending him is utterly reprehensible. I don't care if BO bans me, they are wrong.

Don't use twitter, it is a shit platform for anything political and I don't give enough about sport to use it. Someone please free to do so though.

has anyone told the roo that the kurds have no problem working with Assad to fight ISIS?
And considering Assad was perfectly willing to help America during the Bush years in the war on terror I have no idea how he gets away with this shit.

He normally replies to this with "then why aren't directly fighting with them but they are taking land away from them"

Posting from last thread:

reddit.com/r/NationalSocialism/comments/6i0kz7/the_outcome_of_the_second_world_war_vindicates/dje5rgp/?context=3

Pat Kasper admits to being a fascist.
Also I hope pkk1978's leg gets better.

You got a source fam. Believe you and looking to share.

Who is Pat Kasper?

The tweet was deleted, legit.

A volunteer who fought in Rojava before becoming disillusioned with the project and then proceeded to talk shit about the struggle. A dickhead in other words.

Oh, he was one of the dumb fuck war tourists who went because "MUH SECOND CRUSADE, KILL DA KIKES"? That's kind of pathetic.

Searching it I found some guy callled @Russ_Warrior saying that. Not sure he's a good source for normies, but I don't doubt it.

twitter.com/mustefaebdi/status/882590336392077313

tens of thousands marched in Afrin to reject the Turkish occuptation.

twitter.com/XezalaDelal/status/882550249180602368

some more pics, it was pretty fucking huge

Unironically this

Is this late foreign policy capitalism at its peak?

that's the spectacle for you

fam I read the most mundane shit about Rojava like "Community centre set up in Qamishli" and I find that shit interesting, it's pretty weird but here we are

Does anyone have any info regarding Assad's liberalization of the Syrian economy? I heard he took the words "Arab" and "socialist" out of the constitution (betraying the Ba'ath cause) but does anyone have a good source on this?

thedailybeast.com/in-syria-follow-the-money-to-find-the-roots-of-the-revolt

globalresearch.ca/syria-s-economic-crisis-al-assad-government-roles-back-neoliberal-reforms/32363

rlp.hds.harvard.edu/economic-policies-ideologies-1#_ftn4

latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-fighters-20170704-story,amp.html

Fucking FSA units abandoning their positions in Raqqa and running away, leaving all the fight to YPG.

Good thing the YPG is recruiting arabs directly now instead of using FSA proxies

Shit the YPG is allied with the FSA??
I thought they fought agaisnt them, as they are mostly turkish shills, and islamic terrorists.

There is no FSA, its a brand hundreds of groups use, and some of them are in the SDF. Some of them have been staunch allies of the YPG for years and fought with them in Kobane when things where most desperate.

I'm pretty sure this is in regards to components of the SDF that used to be part of the FSA

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Is this in government occupied territory? If so then it seems like either A) they fucked up and some kind of chemical leak happened or B) FSA is using chemical weapons again

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Oh lawdy get ready for some more saber rattling from burgerland

Both sides have used chlorine repeatedly. The only interesting thing about this if USA will punish assad for this or not, because until now no major power gave a fuck about chlorine attacks.

I'm well aware, but I wouldn't think assad would use it in his own territory.
There's going to be a lot of saber rattling and they might bomb another airbase but I don't see much happening beyond that

This particular group was likely Ahmed Jarba's Elite Units. They're anti ISIS shammar tribesmen mostly.

Jobar is part if rebel held ghouta afaik.

201 new fighters for the Manbij Military Council and 250 fighters for the SDF(note that they like most of the previous groups in the last year didnt get recruited into a specific group but SDF overall, which is afaik firmly in the hand of the YPG command)

en.hawarnews.com/201-fighters-joined-manbij-military-forces/

en.hawarnews.com/250-fighters-joined-sdf-2/

something to note: their footwear. YPG definitel asked the coalition to get them boots because they used to be graduating in Adidas shoes and flip flops

Redemption comes from the Jews. B"H

Nice! Missed that.

Fucking imperialists

SDF doing a great job

Pispig Grandad an maerican who fought in Rojava talking about it , a few days ago.

soundcloud.com/streetfightwcrs/piss-pig-grandma

I think specially tankies should listen it, REALLY MAKES YOU THINK.

I listened to him on Chapo. He didn't reveal much tbh.

I hope we get a badass photo of the MLKP flag being unfurled from the top of the Old minaret soon.

Not a good idea if you want the support of the population.

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Apparently the guys in the Bob Crow Brigade are going to fly the rainbow flag in Raqqa.

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For fuck sake

if you talk realpolitik then be realpolitik

Were not talking about western supporters of the revolution here. Why should the Kurds and all the other non-Kurds in northern Syria be forced to accept servitude? Especially when the Syrian state has been pushing through neoliberalism for the past 1 1/2 decades? (And wasn´t particularly socialist to begin with)

Likewise, Kurdish secessionism within the YPG is just a meme, and at that a disingenuous one. No matter how much Salih Muslim and Ocalan reject both nationalism and secessionism, you keep pushing it.

This just goes about to show how little you know and understand about the philosophical underpinnings of Rojava and the YPG.
Read Ocalan.

There will simply never be a circumstance where Kurds will ask for their rights without being accused of being Zionist proxies trying to carve up the Arab world, and the fact that this is being peddled by the fucking left is tragic. Baathists are all about "fuck that Sykes Picot agreement" shit until a minority group speaks out against it. At which point they are Jews. Chauvinistic bullshit.

they were treated like any other. some bogus strawman like the intentional creation of poverty in northern syria is the same as saying that the US goverment is intentionally pushing places like detroit and outback country towns in the midwest into poverty for some bogus reason, or moscow doing the same with siberia.

maybe you dont understand the situation down there. before the war their districts were just parts of syria. if the american plan goes along however they literally will serve as an extension of US foregein policy, in combat even.

im sure you would be a great statesman and lead a developing multisectarian country into prosperity and trough foregein pressure and subversion with all your by-the-book shenanigans youd pull out of your ass.

its not about what some kurdish officers in the SDF or wherever think. its about what some spook down in DC is gonna want to throw at the wall and see if it sticks

Erm, yeah, they are. Even Nixon admitted the war on drugs was a tactic to keep black and Hispanic people 'in their place', and that was only a small aspect of the federal government keeping certain places in poverty. Capitalism pumps money into places where the bourgeoisie operate the most and encourages brain drain and wealth to centralise in that area. The City of London is the wealthiest part of Britain, not because it's the most productive but because that's where the financial sector is situated. Corporations that operate elsewhere in Britain have their headquarters in London, meaning London takes all the credit for 'creating wealth'.

In the case of Syria, the Ba'ath regime purposeful left northern Syria undeveloped and refused to diversify the economy in the north and encouraged Kurds and other ethnic groups to move to Damascus, the financial centre during the liberalisation of the economy. In terms of actual agricultural production and oil revenues, northern Syria (the area currently under the control of the Rojava administration) was responsible for 55% of Syria's GDP, but like London, Damascus took credit for it.

In the US it's pretty much the same, with California and New York acting as the main financial hubs, despite most of the manufacturing, natural resources and agriculture coming from 'Middle America' or abroad. How you can be a leftist and not know this is baffling.

This turkroach level denial

Large Scale protests against the YPG in Northern Aleppo today.

twitter.com/WyvernReports/status/883317628940451840

cooperativeeconomy.info/rojavas-economics-and-the-future-of-the-revolution/

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I was under the impression that Assad let alqaeda establish bases in Syria to attack US forces in Iraq from.
Which is one of the reasons islamists and al nusra were so strong and organized in Syria after 2012.

twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/883411208380055552

TURKISH AIRSTRIKES ON SINJAR FUCK

as with all FSA protests it was compromised almost entirely of military aged males

twitter.com/KufriusMaximus/status/882896102416146436

scroll through this thread to see what they're responding to. Pro YPG demonstrations across Afrin, Tel Abyad and Manbij

So when does the SDF liberate North Aleppo?

Soon gomrade, when the Grey Wolves turn on Erdogan.

Congratulations. You´re not only ignorant about the history of Syria, but you clearly didn´t even bother to read the article.

twitter.com/Martin_Lejeune/status/883437729438203904

PKK organised the G20 riots folks, heard it here first

ayy lmao

so this is a pro-palestinian jew who stands against the PKK and YPG?
I don't know how to fit this into any of my narratives.

twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/883417041625022465
nice socialism you got there sdf

inb4 airstrike

Try harder.

Raqqa will be almost entirely liberated within a month

twitter.com/ThomasOccupy/status/883656671838576640

in saying that though, there's a pretty huge Kurdish presence there

I read Öcalan's manifesto about democratic confederalism, he doesnt propose anything about working and production repartition, he just proposes to divide middle east in communities based on racial and religious identities, he even supports islamic fondamentalism against secular governments which are "oppressing" minorities according to him

He is just a useful idiot for divide and conquer US strategy in middle east, just look at what happens to other communities in "liberated" PKK territories : they get their houses burnt and they get kicked out of their homes (thats what happened to yazidis and arabs)

Cant say im getting slightly more nervous tbh

Are you talking about the 40 or so page booklet? It's only introductory. Of course he isn't going to lay out everything there.
No he fucking doesn't. He proposes to live in democratic communities, in which people will be able to organize according to their own will but moreover that the common denominator between them, regardless of race or creed, is the valuation of freedom and democracy not on a national scale (i.e. the nation-state), but a direct one involving their communities and lives.
Show where he says that.

w-what

Öcalan and the PKK are opposed to both fundamentalism and secular nationalist regimes. His position on Islam, especially Sunni Islam, is pretty negative anyway.
That's just bullshit, PKK saved Yazidis from ISIS and has generally a pretty good relationship with their community. Barzani and the KDP (the ruling party in Iraqi Kurdistan) are the ones who oppress the Yazidis.

For future reference, this "KURDISH NAZISM OOGA BOGA GENOCIDE!" crap is based off of a report from Amnesty International which was found to be dubious at best by satellite imaging (the 'destroyed' villages were still intact and in use), UN investigation, and the fact that some of the sources reporting Kurdish 'atrocities' were Jihadists and their families.

The amnesty report didn't even mention genocide itself. It also used a second hand source for muh displacement. People didn't even read it. These are the same people that spout the imperialist narrative.

cooperativeeconomy.info/could-communal-economy-be-a-distinct-mode-of-production/
Worth reading

wtf I hate rojava

Literally never haopened, they evacuated Arab villages to clear them of booby traps and IEDs left behind by Daesh. Reports of ethnic cleansing came from the SOHR which gets its information from the FSA.

Kek, I noticed that too. It was so strange seeing them in uniforms with regular sneakers.

good to see all em rebellions there.

hm, an oil producing region makes the majority of the GDP of an oil exporting country… spooky

i was talking about syria, not turkey.

where did you hear that?
the reason alqueda got so strong was because of the influx of iraqi army (majorly sunni) and other folks after the US decided to disband the army, police and baath party because they had no fucking clue what they were doing

no, youre trying to single out one group to make a disposition

which one


slippery slope fallacy.

but when the same poeple report on assad its legit right?

twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/883795959435722752

lmao, YPG not playing around.

So will the tribe be autonomous if the YPG truly dominate or what?

he means "great" as in big, like the "great the war"
the big wars

i was refering to the fact that the US is considedered a super-power, not a great-power like china or russia

They'll probably be absorbed into YPG proper.
But yeah I doubt they'll take away the tribe's autonomy just because its militia fucked up.

I actually did read it and it seemed legit that people where displaced. I also have a basic understanding of human rights and how NGOs operate unlike the majority of people who freaked out about this report. However as UN later concluded, the displacements where legitimate during times of war and not genocide. There's a lot more to it that has to do with shifting political interest and so on, but that's the gist of it.

Was there ever a genocide claim? I´m pretty sure it has been that they are ethnically cleansing arabs which is different. Genocide is the targeting killings of a group while ethnically cleansing is getting them out of an area. Plus the article that is being discussed never mentions genocide.
little sus tbhwyf

is Al Qaeda /ourguys/?

Support our al-Nusra brothers against US/Kurdish/Zionist imperialism!

go check an infograph or something regarding alliances in the war why dont you.

Nusra are among the most principled players in Syria. If all the hundreds of "FSA" rebel factions had the spine and vision of Nusra they'd have toppled Assad years ago. Shame they're pushing jihadist shit. Bizarre that Al Qaeda are now the face of the Syrian Revolution, but here we are. There can be endless back and forths about the original goals of the Syrian Revolution but I think when all those protestors were out on the streets, even the Islamists, they didn't want an Al Qaeda emirate as an alternative to Assad.

totally fam

yeah, well, you know; the US is shit at longterm planning.

I read a Turkish security report and the author made frequent comparisons between Al Qaeda and the PKK in terms of set up. I mean they're pretty much complete opposites as far as ideology and even methodology goes, but their transnational structures are pretty similar.

If you think if it like

Al Qaeda = PKK, as in the central organisation from which the ideology and structure derives.

Al Nusra = YPG, Syrian branch of central organistation. Blurred lines between just how different the two are, lots of overlap in fighters and command structure.

Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham = Syrian Democratic Forces, coalition of ideological and regional allies in Syria.

Only thing is I'm not sure if Al Qaeda could be said to have a 'HQ' as such like the PKK do with the Qandil Mountains. I've heard they use Yemen but I'm not too sure.

twitter.com/ThomasRizmo/status/883977410261245952

Newly released footage of Turkish soldiers playing around with the heads of PKK guerillas they just beheaded. PKK never do anything like this to the bodies of Turkish soldiers.

alquaeada isnt strong in yemen, there are a few affiliated militias in northeast yemen controlled by sauds.
and, speaking of which, its saudi arabia that probably hosts the HQ of alqaeda, as theyve done so ever since saddam fell.

So remind me why we're supporting and glorifying Social Democracy in One Canton?

i thought leftcoms were supposed to be well read.

Come back when you have something to contribute.

this is fresh from the presses

what I´m seeing here is leftcoms are simply illiterate democrats

wtf i love al qaeda now

what should we glorify then? do you have something better for us to support?
no

Why support anything at all? Who said we had to pick sides? The only people we should support are the Syrian Proletariat against the PKK/PYD/YPG and any other bourgeois nationalist parties.

Literally you rn

please stop embarrassing us.

Stop reading Duave and read this cooperativeeconomy.info/could-communal-economy-be-a-distinct-mode-of-production/

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So, what happened to the Syria general and the imperialism ban? I take it it was another instance of BO realizing xe screwed up and reverting a rule?

look at the board logs.

The Syria general died and supporting the YPG/SDF was never under the imperialism ban. BO never admits anything and the retarded rule is still in effect and he's still being a little piece of shit tinpot dictator enforcing it.

8ch.net/bans.html
Put "lefty" in the search.

BO is again banning people that know more about Syria than she does. Where the fuck should I go now to have lefty discussion about Syria?

Just keep doing it, but do it more fervently now. Use dynamic IPs, and be sure to use more then one each thread. Seriously, the best way to get mods to stop being faggot is to have their moderation have the exact opposite effect they intended.

As someone who got banned 2 times allready by BO, you dont even need to do that. Just state your case and wait for a volunteer to revert your ban. Its literally just the BO that is retarded.

Hey guys, I want to do a translation project about rojava. I live somewhere in transition and want to share about the positive organisations there. I can't afford huge translations though, so is there are any article, essay that's a god primer I can use?

The current social contract still wasnt translated into english, so if you could do that it would be amazing.

I don't understand what I'm supposed to get from this screencap, other than the fact that I agree with the leftcom poster.

although I disagree with the leftcom ITT

mobile.twitter.com/Anit_Garibaldi/status/884428724615077889

Jazira canton imposing tax on farmers who are not working within co op system. PYD essentially doing the reverse of capitalist nations giving tax hikes to big corporations.

It will be interesting to see if the allready existing drive to get people to agree to getting into cooperatives ect. will become outright pressure.

Kulaks btfo. This will surely convert the tankies to supporting Rojava.

I have. Read this as well libcom.org/library/rojava-fraud-non-existent-social-revolution

Skimming through it I can already tell it's shit. Doesn't really mention the ideology, makes accusations of them being both a tool of imperialism and at the same time an ally of the regime, accuses it of being a one party state despite the great multitude of different parties working within it and constantly apologizes and eludes to the KDP being "repressed" despite being a bourgeois nationalist party. Really, the entire article can't help but contradict itself. I have yet to seen any kind of critique that could be called honest and accurate besides the one posted to cooperativeeconomy

PYD's methods has consistently been to try bring people into their system through education and understanding but this move is definitely a more forceful progression

youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4U0918UYo&feature=youtu.be

The guy in this vid was killed in Raqqa today by ISIS. The first internationalist martyr of the assault on Raqqa city.

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/884512471381422083

OMG

They are also introducing an income tax to expand social services now. Everyone above 200$ monthly income becomes taxed.

All the anti Rojava texts spammed by Leftcoms here are sometimes sound in theory, but allways attacking strawmen and never have a clue about the reality on the ground in Rojava.

Agree, as an ancom I have my own criticisms, but a lot of ML, Trot and even Leftcom criticisms are strawmen.

Also, weirdly enough, a lot of Trots support the FSA and have gone full neocon.

He didn´t read either the one you posted nor the one he posted. Leftcoms think spamming links that have been spammed countless times before somehow makes them intelligent.

you havent considered that geopolitics are more important than local macroeconomics?

So are there any resources online that I could use to learn Kurmanji as quickly as possible? like as much as I can within a two or three month period

anyone have an estimate of how many international volunteers are in Raqqa?

Around 400 to 500.

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congrats user

you might be the first /rojava/ YPG fighter. there have been many who have put their names forward but no one's actually gone and went.

btw i forgot to add your /ourguy/

*you´re fuck

noice

youtube.com/watch?v=cY_ny8VZawU
bbc report on raqqa

I'll agree that the MC/KpK article is slightly oblivious to the realities of Rojava, but a lot of Dauve's criticisms still stand.

They should do an actual report on how women have benefited from the creation of Rojava, not showing the same old shtick of 'women with guns'. The SAA and yes, even ISIS have female units as well.

May Pisspigs Volcel power be based down to you

Pictures of the US airbase in Rojava

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/884535147449679873

Join this discord chat to talk to kurds, most speak kurdish and many live in Iraq or Turkey.
discord.gg/Eqnqvy

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Tbh I think this sets a dangerous precedent. This will only ultimately enlarge the current state and make it more difficult to dismantle. Not to mention the ideological problems of stealing someone's labor because they don't want to be in a coop or because they make too much money with their own labor.

So? It's still a sign of the U.S.'s growing influence in Rojava. These aren't weapons and armaments anymore. These are military bases like at Tanf, which shows that the US wants to be there long-term.

Thank you, I will check these out as soon as I get home from work.

This is sort of off topic but why exactly is the YPG volcel thing so controversial among Western leftists? I've heard people my age (early 20s) speak of YPG with distaste just because of that policy. It's not like they ask members to swear off sex for life, it's just a temporary thing while on deployment. What's the big deal?

how do you think they´re supposed to deliver armaments and supplies to the SDF and the SOF when Rojava is blockaded on all sides? To me it looks temporary.

How do you excuse this if the USAF does a bombing run against the SAA from that airstrip (a very likely possibility)? That's literally helping the USA try to destroy the Syrian government.

it's a possible eventuality but it won't happen unless the diplomatic situation deteriorates dramatically first. USA doesn't really have a tenable casus belli for an unrestricted air campaign vs the Syrian gov. right now. much more propaganda (like that CW incident in KS) would have to be made before the USG could manufacture enough consensus for that kind of action.

The construction of this makeshift airstrip doesn't indicate, to me, that this is likely to take place. It's 100% consistent with current foreign policy goals and strategy (empower SDF to Assad's detriment without provoking direct confrontation), so I don't believe that it portends an escalation.

Isis doesn't have an armed women unit.

Roo is an autist of epic proportions.

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When will Holla Forums take the redpill and realize the true dialectical and anti-hegemonic ideology?

Kurdish Salafism

maybe for western volunteers, but PKK cadres live for the revolution. they can have no romantic affairs so long as they are part of it.

Shit the guy had kids.

the pentagon doesent give a shit about what it looks like to some nobody in the middle of nowhere.
the US is in critical need of a bulwark for their foregein poliy in the region, particulary in syria.
after the SAA cut off their incursion in southern syria their plans to cut off dierezzor from Palmyra were foiled, so now theyre attempting to storm it from the north before syrian forces get there. dierezzor is a major industrial and strategic objective that is still open to any side to conquer and at this point everyone is racing for it like they did for al-bab.
if youre retarded enough to beleive that the US is "just there to help SDF fight ISIS and then theyre gonna leave" then youre probably the stupidest dumbass in this thread.

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what that, alqaeda construction company?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Islamic_Group

Why is Ali Bapir, an intellectual the wiki says is known for his moderate religious views and his modern interpretation of Islam, which calls for coexistence in a democratic society, the leader of an islamist political party, that is alligned with SALAFI tradition? I thought Salafis were the crazy ultra-right muslims.

Some Salafis are like Amish. Just apolitical devout people who cut themselves off from society

I wish the anti-DFSNS side would at least be consistent in their arguments.
Etc, etc, etc. Almost never really speak to what the DFSNS motivations and goals are, and when they are they are fallacious strawmen painting it as a bourgeois nationalist project or a repressive Stalinist state.

theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/11/british-man-luke-rutter-killed-fighting-isis-in-syria?CMP=share_btn_tw

A British comrade also lost his life in the same attack :(

twitter.com/mutludc/status/884772051772461056

Another internationalist martyr announced. That's three now

Sehid Namirin!

RIP revolutionary heroes!

RIP comrades

The IRPGF hasn't been around for that long and the they have already lost a guy.
F.

no. the US is attempting to sieze asmuch ground in syria as they can before the syrians do so they can both exploit the oilfields, enforce their military presence there and bully syria at the negotiations table
no. the US is trying to keep turkey on a leash but is failling, yet they dont want to lose such a big asset in syria as the SDF, especially this late in the war.

they are. divide and conquer.

they roll between alliances which suit them at the given time. like half of the factions in the war.

i dont think so.

im more focused on the bigger picture and long-term effects in geopolitics than idealism and macro-economics.

i tend not to use labels like that that can be just thrown around and so on so no

thank you, comrades

Robert Grodt, an American volunteer, died yesterday. I am posting this because Holla Forums is saying he is a Holla Forums hero yet I do not see his name anywhere here. Do you all even know who he is? I never heard of him.
Holla Forums thread celebrating his death: >>>Holla Forums10234446

TL;DR: Capitalism.

t. illiterate democrat

Poster commemorating Micheal Israel, Anarchist YPG volunteer, in Exarcheia, the famous leftist neigbourhood in Athens.

Because the DFSNS just completely lacks it's own political agency right? Please

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Syria has no notable oil production. They're outside the top 50 oil producing nations in the world. The US does not need their oil at any rate.

I can imagine they actually would go along with this to use US as leverage for a peace and Autonomy with the Syrian government.

This will allow them to move the economy away from war focussed to reconstruction and divert resources and arms to fighting Turkish-back militias in Northern syria and Erdogan's government in Turkey proper. That latter which is one of Erdogan's fears.

They've made it pretty clear that their intentions are to create a federalized syria, remove Assad through a vote etc. Reconstruction would require the help of the rest of syria to accomplish and it's the interests of many within DFSNS, especially the IDPs, to see the rest of Syria federalized as well so they don't have to deal with the autocratic ethno-nationalist Syrian government anymore

tfw you're watching a movie and the PKK randomly show up halfway through :D

What movie heval?

My Sweet Pepperland. Only watching it because of Goldshifteh Farahani, it's decent.

There's this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khansaa_Brigade

Wasn't he with the DSA? Wasn't aware he was a Narco.

I mean, he is right. The person who wrote the article even says that it has Capitalist economic relations and will revert back to 'standard' Capitalism if there isn't an active class struggle within Syria and Turkey (and right now, there doesn't seem to be. The PKK for example is totally fine with businesses that are for them and against Turkey).

The conclusion the author came to was that Rojava was in an ideal position to centralize production, they need only make the choice to. This is a far cry from saying that the political apparatus is bourgeois or in the interests of the bourgeois

Congratulations user. Please be careful, however. Not just when traveling, but also when communicating. I don't think Discord is safe for privacy, for one thing. From now on, just tell everyone, everywhere, that you're going for humanitarian aid.

Also, when you sit down in Syria, don't put leg up on your knee. Basically, don't point your shoes at anyone.

no he was a wobbly

And will they? The answer should be obvious. No matter what context, as long as the PYD allows businesses to exist without doing more to suppress them, Rojava (and by extension Bakur) will remain Capitalist, even if it is the hippy idealist utopian 'Communal Capitalism' or whatever.

"I'm going to Turkey/Greece to help refugees" is the standard cover story

Considering that their policies so far have been very strongly against capital accumulation I would say yeah most likely. I don't know why you think they're not suppressing them already given the litany of policies currently against the bourgeois in Rojava

The USA has bombed the Syrian forces several times in the past few months.

Literally what. How can they be suppressing the Bourgeoisie if they also protect private property in their constitution?

I'd suggest everyone in this thread give this a good read

libcom.org/library/rojava-reality-rhetoric-gilles-dauvé-tl

Aren't there any stormies who went to Syria to shoot ISIS? Not on this site, I guess?

I swear, a leftist could invent a working fusion reactor tomorrow to save the world from resource wars and 8pol would say it's a jewish plot to take their coal jobs away. Always good to know that we're still surrounded by the most deranged right-wing community on the internet.

Just because they haven't outright banned the commodity form yet does not mean they haven't limited capital accumulation. Private property is a right but is defined by USE, so really it's personal property anyways. They're already penalizing enterprises outside the TEV-DEM structure, with enterprises within TEV-DEM being defacto socialized.

I'll say it again, Duave's article is meme tier and cooperative economy is the only one that actually addresses the situation honestly and without resorting to fallacious strawmen like the PYD being a bourgeois kurdish nationalist party

Any other recommended movies/documentaries?

What specifically is bad with Dauve's article? All I hear from his critics are either "that's wrong" or "you can't critique because you're here and they're there!". I want an actual refutation of it.

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Both criticisms are right, he is wrong because he's here and he isn't there to see with his own eyes how it is, so he just makes assumptions based on some shit he's heard from others which is wrong.

Same could be said with the other Leftoids who also live in the west but still religiously defend Rojava. I want a refutation of what he said, not where he is or whatever.

He accuses it of being a nationalist project, which might be fair if he didn't conflate multi-ethnic societies with an entho-state. Apo's ideology has never limited itself to a single nation, but instead calls for a world wide Democratic Confederation that is a sort of dual power to the UN. Really, the main issue with all of it's critics is that it does nothing to actually criticize the ideology behind the revolution (something which the cooperativeeconomy does mind you). You'll probably say "well ideology doesn't really matter", and if that's the case why even identify as a leftcom? Why even bother addressing the ideology of the revolution at all, which Duave does but does so fallaciously by calling it a nationalist project

The Golden Dawn has charities. Or had, I don't if they were forced to stop since they only help other Greeks.

Furthermore, Duave doesn't actually provide any proof whatsoever in regards to the accusations he makes regarding the PKK or PYD, which is pretty damning considering the seriousness of some of the accusations

They were forced to stop because they were run by criminals.

what would the ypg have to do in order to win you back, /rg/?

they never lost the keys to my heart.

i want to believe comrade, but the pieces all add up for the US-proxy argument. white phosphorous to depopulate raqqa, encircle iran, turkey aligning with damascus… i want to die

you forgot israel and balkanization sir

youre right i did. and the saudi alliance. i wish i was fucking dead. nothing good ever happens. even if assad ends up winning it'll be because the turks crushed the kurds.

when assad wins we can be happy
and even without that we still have north korea

Fuck off faggot!

This isn't 2013!
The mafia did a lot for the American Italians too. Were they not criminals?

Also, GD will be judged (some day …) and they are settled in a 5% top, that always existed in Greek society but was voting New Democracy.

Now take your 2013 propaganda and leave.

when assad wins….what the fuck next? jesus christ, i'd even be okay with US-backed federalization if it meant providing a working model of an anti-capitalist system

Assad cannot "win".
Syria can never be the same. Even when ISIS is beaten, some balkanization will happen.

then what the fuck do i want? this fuckign sucks people wont stop yelling at me

i was just memeing fam i agree with you

theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/11/british-man-luke-rutter-killed-fighting-isis-in-syria
Average lefty/pol/ retard.
Get fucked, daddy erdo and assad will end you after ISIS is done.

Thank you for dispelling any shadow of a doubt that you're bootlicking worship of strongmen is in fact a result of your suppressed homoerotic desires.

Everyone is fucked in this thing.

The Americans want it on their resume that they killed ISIS, or at least Trump wants that shit, badly. So they send weapons to the one group most motivated to move in and purge ISIS forever: The Syrian Kurds. But the reason the Kurds hate ISIS so much is because ISIS of course vowed to wipe them out, calling them all a bunch of commies. And of course they are very very left-wing, but the Pentagon has to pretend they are moderate (and not affiliated with the PKK).

Because they are socialists and advertise themselves as revolutionaries, the Kurds receive international left-wing support, yet most of those supporters and volunteers despise American involvement, making everything super awkward. But if YPG hadn't accepted US aid they would have been wiped out in the early stages of the conflict. They must also know that, as soon as American support ends, Turkey will invade.

syria relies heavely on domestic oil production.
syria is also a barrier to any pipeline or traderoute fom saudi arabia to europe on land, with a costly exception of a sideway iraq
you literally cant put 2 and 2 together

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hot take

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when are we invading turkey?

back at you

never, considering youre shitposting on a computer thousands of miles away from any war.

That's not how it works.

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Ah, I see now. I got confused with the use of

It's an accurate descriptor of what their current political goals are.

from what i got pinktext was meant to be a footnote to greentext as in

twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/884404350038269952

MUH POOR SUNNIS :'(
SO SAD ISIS DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR THEM, THEIR DISAPPOINTMENT DEFINITELY OUTWEIGHTS THE GENOCIDE THE YAZIDIS AND OTHER MINORITIES FACED

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make sure to listen to your instructors carefully.

Lister was an absolute retard from the start. why is he even a thing still?

What's up with the slander about Marxism-Leninism, political prisoners and people fleeing conscription around 14 minutes?

PKK used to Marxist Leninist but the journo can't tell the different between communalism and ML.

Every now and then Asayish throw some ENKS politician in jail for a few weeks.

There's conscription in Rojava for 6 months. It's essentially homeguard where you monitor check points and such. You're not sent to the frontline.

And it's only in one canton from what I hear.

Tanks plz leave

I mean, it's quite obvious that the PKK is Nationalist and the PYD is basically just it's Syrian copy. Which of these accusations do you mean?

I was talking about the accusations of repressing strikes, working with the bourgeois etc etc. There's nothing nationalistic about Democratic Confederalism m8. Read Apo

It is nationalistic, but leftypol uses the word nationalism wrong. It isn't, however, CHAUVINISTIC, which is what leftypol usually means, and what's actually bad.

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doublespeak is boring, 'nationalism' doesn't need such a vague and confusing synonym

It's useful to be able to distinguish between "it would be nice to be allowed to teach my kids my own language l" and "nationality a stronk,.remove nationality b"

Pfffhahahaha

Oh well, maybe the next time a massive death cult arises in the middle-east we'll see the Alt-Knights swoop in and take care of things.

twitter.com/mustefaebdi/status/885594954285944832

Huge protests in Kobani today.

twitter.com/henrylec1/status/885346382558543873

Still like the YPG?

I was under the impression that it's perfectly legal in the USA. Would secrecy still be warranted under those circumstances?

F

Yep

Low energy! Sad!

anyone care post an image of the tweet? Twitter doesn't work on my phone

If this is legit, I'll expect an investigation into those responsible.

despite the fact that no syrians oppose Assad, and all protest were done by CIA and all FSA are foreign salafists and terrorists, This just proves that the YPG is comitted to anti-imperialism. I will ban anyone who says torturing people for opposing the government is wrong.

keep it kind of on the DL, If you're taking connecting flights through the EU or Turkey, you can get in trouble. it may be technically legal in the USA, but you still want as little attention as possible.

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Do you think the Kurds have enough time to rebuild?

Their new society needs some time to grow before they get swept up in the next great big fuckfest (such as full-scale Turkish invasion as soon as the Americans withdraw support).

i like them even more now

What do you guys think about the referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan?

You leftcoms could at least pretend that you are not shitposting.

dont worry, the pentagon is gonna loan them all the money and material they need

Like they do everywhere else, right?

DOD is going to water their crops, the CIA is going to train their firefighters and Trump is going to build some casinos.

Can you fuck off now?

they've been rebuilding continuously for years. if you look at kobani, the municipality have done incredible work in cleaning the place up and starting reconstruction with very little funds.


Barzani is a fuck but if the Kurdish people want it then let them secede. Iraq is a mess and will be forever basically so why not.

not that user but i'm interested in joining. remake invite? it expired.

I hope Barzani doesn't get a lot of revolutionary daddy points because the Iraqi section secedes first.

So how much longer tell Al Raqqa falls?

You have to be somewhat arrogant and narcissistic to be on YouTube and think people actually want to hear you, that being said Roo is beyond the slight amount necessary to fit that criteria and might have serious clinical problems with his fucking head. I knew a lot of socialists/communists in the ancient days of youtube who would even tell me someone who was an ancap at the time that the guy was unhinged and no one on their side really liked him. They tried doing a joint video with a bunch of them and he started making a bunch of demands about himself and wanted to be the only one who edited the video. They said he was an asshole in every convo and thought he was better than all of them at everything and that he seriously believed he would one day be the first among equals in a communist state if you catch my drift.

I cant believe he is one of the few people still around from back then and that people actually respect him for it kek.

I would say a few more months. I think progress with slow down the further and further they go into the city.

Eh I think it could be by September: mostly because the most difficult Daesh areas to capture are the old cities (due to density and narrow pathways) and they are mostly through that now.

8 years

taking a full city is harder then taking a bunch of empty areas

wew someone doesent like it when mr. Reality knocks on the door

lol not even Aleppo lasted 8 years, and it was much bigger than Raqqa. Mosul lasted 9 months and its size is comparable to Aleppo.

a few weeks since the coalition wants to close the front there to advance on dierewzzor and along the iraqi border

Dude that would make it twice as long as Leningrad.

twitter.com/AFP/status/886308315587899392

yfw Erdo personally beheads Apo and starts the Kurdish revolution in Turkey

They already took an actual city before (Manbij). Mosul is larger and denser and it months. I would assume Raqqa would take less than that

Lol more like your own delusion

moonofalabama.org/2017/07/syria-summary-the-trump-putin-agreement.html

I´m pretty sure the only reason they keep Apo alive is because they´re shit scared of what will happen if they kill him.

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kurdishquestion.com/article/3969-an-untold-story-about-the-division-of-kurdistan

give a real argument kid

if you read the entire article youd see that it refutes any kind of possibility of some banana republic of the YPG and so on.
instead you just post the last bit that refutes US intentions.
really shows what kind of an approach you have to facts

twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/886661974020567041

:'(

heh nothing personnel

thats not adressing my argument in any way. stop being a butthurt 15yo with some stupid fallacies and contribute to the thread.

whoever wrote this needs to pick up a history book.

why are you on Holla Forums if you dont want to argue with 15yo's?
fuck you ageist swine

Is Toyota the ISIS endorsed brand?

Seems like based Afrin SDF btfo the recent shitty FSA attack, lots of dead and apparently racial hate is boiling over in the social networks of the area calling for more attacks.

But judging by the vids from the attack rebels managed to come into the village almost and some fighters where lost, shit will hard when Turks actually start to help more directly.

There is a lot of interesting stuff in the new Crisis Group article: crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/eastern-mediterranean/syria/will-americans-abandon-us

Crisis Groups is allways worth a read:
crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/eastern-mediterranean/syria/b053-fighting-isis-road-and-beyond-raqqa

crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/eastern-mediterranean/syria/176-pkk-s-fateful-choice-northern-syria

Where's the argument here? You only posted unsubstantiated crap then got all butthurt when I mocked your pretensions when you used neckbeard language like "kid"

What's wrong with it?

Why haven’t the YPG done a counterattack yet?

They lack the equipment to do major attacks on cities like Mare and Azaz without huge losses. Besides that it would involve directly Turkish infantry which would make things even harder and create escalation which they dont need. Defense is their best strategy right now.

whats the ypg's best option to spread demconfed in the future

cry some more. the US is gonna hustle the SDF like they hustled any other "freedumb fayghters" they needed at a given moment

syrians are pushing from the south and going for deirezzor would mean a shitstorm with the russian side.
pushing against turks is just asking the watermellon seller to launch ofensives in both syria and turkey.
going to iraq means facing iraqis and kurd/assyrian factions in north iraq

Survive and integrate into Syria, then start to use Rojava as a base to build up organisations elsewhere.

Man this is getting really tiring, stop being a fucking idiot and actually learn what the positions of the people that support the YPG are instead of coming up with nonsense that you think relates to any arguments made by us. No one is under any delusions about the USA and neither is anyone relevant in Rojava.

infuriating that she posted that anecdote shortly after she circulated the """"probable SDF"""" stale video of an Arab in winter gear executing some child in "Raqqa"

Spread it to Iraqi Kurdistan
Filled with oil, most already hate turks, although the leadership is in bed with them.
Tribal alliances is the only thing keeping it afloat, and those can be united under socialism when faced with an existential enemy, such as Capitalism and Imperialism - as the Turks hold 33% of their economy hostage and have bases in the North.
In the future, they will need to have defeated the Turkish aggression otherwise there will be no spread of demconfed.

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Does anyone deny that the USA is there? Do you seriously think you made any kind of argument till now? Your vague unspecific anti americanism(there is nothing wrong with that) does not absolve you from doing a propper argument.

You're the only one crying here which is why you continue to spread your butthurt in a thread about a group you despise so much

And SDF has Russian bases in Afrin your point? As long as they don't give up the collectivisation of the economy that they are doing under US (or any other foreign power) pressure, I don't really give a fuck about where they get their weapons from if it makes them stronger

Dont you know that americans have a secret aura that makes revolutionaries weak and removes their will and ideology? The mere presence of them makes infects you and makes you into a traitor to socialism!

In all seriousnes americans are really not doing much in Rojava beyond military support. The current policy of the USA does not care much with whom they cooperate, and it is not focused on toppling assad(and anyone who follows the conflict knows that, so dont even come with your wikileaks emails), even if the assadists delusions tell them otherwise.

The Turkroatches and Jihadies deserve it.

twitter.com/sheihkmos1987/status/887298949622763520

I wish there would be more news on intra-PYD/TEV-DEM ideological conflicts, how these play out will be very important to see if a propper socialist mass movement can keep itself established in Rojava.

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I don't get the point of this post
The USA certainly does care who it with, and enjoys their cozy bases
The YPG has stated multiple times in 2016 that reuniting the cantons was their biggest objective, while the US was pressuring them to take Raqqa instead
And what do you know, the US set up an airbase at Tabqah which would have been/shortly captured by Tiger Forces by now

I dont get your point. You dont give any argument, I really would love of you Assad lovers could atleast once give a precise argument for your case instead of vague muh americans mubling.

The USA does not care as much as in the past, the nature of their partners is secondary to other desires, which are no longer aiming at regime change.

Bases are not magical places that do something on themselves, you have to argue why they serve some goals you dont like. The kind of bases the USA has in Rojava are pretty clearly of quite limited use due to their size and equipment, they are not useful to project power over the ME, they have way better bases for that in many other places. Some houses in the desert to house military trainers, artillery support and airstrips that serve equipment delivery are not comparable to places like Okinawa, Incirlik ect. they have a way more limited scope imo.

Yes, they didnt succeed with that sadly and they tried pretty hard, ES was sadly approved by the Russians and thus stopped these attempts.

True, but connecting the cantons didnt fail because of that. After connecting the cantons went out of reach due to Russian and Turkish collaboration the assault on Raqqa was the logical next step. Remember that liberating Manbij was only possible because americans backed the SDF against Turkey.

They are setting up, its not operational yet. We will see what kind of role it plays.

Control over Tabqah is an important and necessary step to free Raqqa and to provide electricity to Rojava, besides these considerations anyone liberating places from islamists and establishing better governance is doing good. Also as I want to see the Rojavan project to survive longterm and reintegrate into a new Syrian state its good that they strengthen their hand for potential negotiations with the Assad government.

If your complaints go in the direction of "SDF should cooperate with Assad" then you should know that they do that locally but that on a larger scale Assad gov has shown no interest or willingness to do that despite SDF attempts to find common ground, even being outright hostile

inb4 I get banned by BO again for posting facts

twitter.com/AntifaTabur/status/887341383564046337

Seems pretty well supplied and equiped. Glad to see that they(formerly Antifa-Tabur) have expanded and apparently have enough decent guys to be able to send a whole squad to the front, how elite they are i would question though. In any case they are one of the only almost pure foreigner unit that hasnt appeared online in useless shitflinging. They where initially a slightly political unit afaik but not as hardcore as the various IFB groups, dunno how their composition is now.

I only now see that on the guy on the right is Karim Franceschi, an Italian communist who fought in Kobane, one of the most dedicated international volunteers, its a good sign that he is involved with the main(?) international unit imo. I think I have seen a coupple of the other faces too, but I cant put names on them.

facebook.com/Karim-Franceschi-329355547409735/ He has some more stuff on his FB page.

tbh they have done a bit of shitflinging against the IRPGF when they first set up.
Other than that they are solid dudes and Karim always seems to look like an action hero in every picture.

I must have missed that, IRPGF got a lot of shit for some reason when they started off.

obviously not that elite

Oh and some have the new(american supplied?) boots! Compare with:

Hahahaha

Karim also wrote a book of his time in Syria but I'm not sure if it's in English.

The north Aleppo rebels are so shit, its unvelievable. I hope the recent attacks are happening because they got restless while Turkey gets stalled for some reason. The more of them get taken out of action the better for the later defense against propper Turkish attacks.

Hopefuly all the rebels just get shoot by SDF soldiers in proper positions. Also would be good for the SDF to start shelling Turkish troops.

I just want to fucking go and help out comrades but I'm stuck slaving to pay off rent. Fugg.
youtube.com/watch?v=OhT81sKIJC8

no rent in Rojava, comrade.
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Karim is rocking what looks like a YAT (YPG special forces badge) so Antifa Tabur definitely have some combat credentials if they've been delegated good enough to receive YAT uniform and equipment.

The rebels tried to take Ayn Daqnah last year too and they were massacred, like 70 of them. YPG and Jaysh al Thuwar then put their bodies and trucks and paraded them around Afrin which was a bit gruesome but it appears they didn't get the message.

It does appear though that Afrin YPG are as their reputation suggests, very good soldiers. Remember that raid on Al Qaeda positions a few weeks ago that killed like 30 AQ fighters and a few commanders?

Bleed em dry

Are they political at all now? I know most of the foreign fighters in the DFNS are Leftist to some extent, but it seems to me that the YPG or even the YPG International is pretty apolitical or liberal.

That particular bunch of lads would be leftists. They used to be called Antifa Tabur. You can see one of the guys with a Spanish Republican flag there.

Most international fighters nowadays are imo leftist in some sense. The international tabur pictured claims to be the official YPG-I unit, and they are probably quite political. Judging by their former name and that Karim is with them.

Most YPG fighters imo dont know are not that educated ideologically, but they all received atleast a few weeks of ideological education, and internally they also continue with education during downtime. So they all atleast can repeat some sentences to camera for what they fight and some basic ideological cohesion is maintained. In other SDF groups its probably even less.

It's not a YAT patch, it's specially made Antifa Tabur patch that looks similar.

twitter.com/AzadiRojava/status/886635700900245504

Citizens of Amude collected enough money to rebuild a church.

i remember /u/ciyage on reddit who is a civilian volunteer said that people in YCR (Revolutionary Youth Union) tend to see TEV DEM as the SocDems of Rojava, with the youth pushing for far more radical projects.

SYPG is the civilian faction of MLKP in Rojava and I hear they do plenty of great community work and such too.

twitter.com/Anit_Garibaldi/status/884827806466686976

YCR have recently started arming themselves too which is good.

They've really got a PFLP look to them.

Yeah the headband thing is usually used by Shia or Palestinian groups but YPS used it in Turkey too.

russia has bases in afrin because militias there relly on them as a buffer from turkey, which will also mean russia will have a strong word when it comes to the future of the area.
same goes with SDF and america.
the joke here is that neither power will just let a vital region in the area just be ruled by some local whoever with the geopolitical goals they have

any partitioning of syria would meet strong internatrional opposition and mean further destabilising of the region.
and formation of a protectorate or state would follow the kosovo scenario.
that would mean that the US is directly occupying syrian land and is enacting an aggression without any UN backing

yes that is the situation

Yeah, seeing stuff like that made ask the question, even TEV-DEM is afaik a rather large diverse thing. There are a myriad groups and organisations that are often part of larger organisations doing shitloads of different stuff. I really doubt that movements like Kongreya Star are united in their ideological details and plans. But in any case stuff like the HPC and the militarisation of the radical youth movement show that there is a genuine revolutionary movement there(Is there any critique of Rojava that even talks about the armed militias under control of of the councils? Or even any that accuratly describes what is happening in the economic sphere?)

I remember reading a long article describing how in Rojava you basically have an institutionalised version of the problem that most revolutions had: local self organisation vs. a centralised powerstructure that controls the military ect. how this will play out in detail will be very interesting to see. In the best case we will have a system that can survive under capitalism while maintaining an inherent drive towards socialism.


are you stuck in 2015? No one wants to partition Syria. PYD the least.

USA is there with approval of the relevant Syrian authority, the Rojava Self Administration.
topkek

And another time you even fail to argue beyond the stalest memery.

noone except the US, israel, france, saudi arabia, jordan….

their authority is null and void

i didnt fail. you just got mad at my post and tried to argue with it.

it is.

twitter.com/Acemal71/status/887393308506558465

map of US military bases in Rojava

Say it all you want but it won't make it true

Either DFSNS exists as a sort of autonomous Zapatista type territory or they spread the DemCon system to the rest of Syria. Neither one constitutes a partition
ya fag

No syndicalism in one nation!

Trots still being retards. Socialism in one country is the way to go.

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Well ideologically DemCon seeks to spread internationally, with there being a Dual Power to the UN via a world wide Democratic Confederation of sorts. I'm merely talking about the immediate goals of the DFSNS

That's kinda' what the 2nd Internationale & the IWW were trying for back in the day.

It would be pretty awesome if the most spooked part of the world today, the Mideast, becomes the nucleus of international socialism. Hopefully they won't fuck up like Russia (relying on the success of the German revolution to keep from falling into totalitarianism) did.

I wish someone would make a YouTube news channel covering Rojava. I would watch the shit out of that.

There's one already
youtube.com/channel/UCpA1J8qmvardU9XIUkxmE3w

Thanks, never seen this one before.

There used to be a channel years ago just called Rojava, but it got shut down by angry turkroaches. Used to post other stuff like PKK blowing up turkish helicopters and Kurdish cultural stuff like music and history. It's a real shame it got deleted.

same goes for their exploited naiveness

meaning the US creates a proxy protectorate in syria.

meaning youre joking.

Even if this would be true(it isnt, a federal region inside of Syria isnt a fucking protectorate) you still have to explain why it is worse than the alternatives.

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I love that there is a meme like this, it instantly outs whoever posts it as a retard who just returgiates bullshit without being able to make an argument.

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Provide some arguments next time

US has canceled its CIA program to arm moderate* rebels in Syria. Pentagon program to back SDF against ISIS is unaffected.

Wish the US just cut all programs in Syria in general. The SDF don't need their support anymore.

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That's contingent on you actually providing ones in the first place
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Nice to see you here, Jason.

nice touch

cooperativeeconomy.info/july-19th-revolution-a-start-toward-a-federal-democratic-syria/

why? its the international proletariat being exploited by the international burgeoise

THE ABSOULUTE MADMEN

It's about damn time

im sad because i ain't there (their will be other opertunities to fight for revoltition r-right, comrade?)

Well if the turkey report is to be believed then yes there will be

I used to think the British kicking the mummified remains of the Ottomans into their grave unleashed everything wrong with the Mideast the last hundred years, but everything I see Turkey do makes me less and less sympathetic for their empire's downfall.

yes, there will.

i wish that too

i like jokes too.

damn, did hillary write this herself?

With every day "anti imperialists" are moving further away from Marxs good words

twitter.com/IRPGF/status/888072466953887744

tbh I thought IRPGF was a bit of a meme at the start but they've been on the frontlines in Tabqa and now Raqqa and they've proven themselves to be very educated in all the interviews they've done since so well done to them.

twitter.com/MHJournalist/status/888121644547416067

New canton boys! Afrin, Kobane, Cizre and now Shahba.

Rebel infighting so bad in Idlib that Turkey might have to directly intervene to save their boys Ahrar lmao

twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/887671725802094592

New PKK vid of an ambush on a Turkish Army vehicle. Three soldiers killed.

Shahba has been around for a while.

Go PKK

Demographic map

Who does Holla Forums support in FSA infighting. Hayat Tahir al-Sham or Ahrar al-Sham.

HTS isn't FSA.

Can someone explain the difference between the two groups shown on the map.

bampu

HTS is your local al-Qaeda affiliate.

AaS is also a Salafist jihadist group. They share the same ideology. I think the current infighting is because HTS is supposed to be the "unified" opposition, and AaS refused to join.

Let’s hope they kill eachouther.

Nah, the FSA is with AAS. Because HTS is part of al-Qaeda, the FSA and other Nationalist rebel groups don't really like it due to it being a transnational group. HTS isn't the unified opposition at all. Many of the mainstream "moderate" rebel groups are fighting them or have denounced them.

are you gonna cry?
every stamement i mentioned is bullshit and you know it

some rebel groups wanted to surrender and take the full amnesty the goverment offered them, but the alqaeda group didnt like it because they knew its gonna speed up the process of the regions liberation so they raided and tried to take over commands of other groups and now theyre just shooting eachother

HTS is the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda. Them and Ahrar al-Sham (AAS), another Jihadist group, have been each others strongest allies and rivals. The difference is is that AAS is more national in its policy, whereas HTS is of course an international group. Ahrar and several rebel groups that call themselves FSA have clashed with HTS because of this presumably. Several groups affiliated with AAS have defected to HTS because Ahrar is going more nationalist and looking for a political solution as well, while Tahrir wants to keep up the Jihad. The FSA has seemingly thrown in its lot with AAS or has a least supported it, because both have used the Syrian Independence flag instead of the Black Standard used by HTS and Nusra before them. The population of Idlib also supports FSA/AAS, seeing HTS as just ISIS in another mask, because they've done mass protests against them.

twitter.com/AlDorarAlShamia/status/888439871798423552

Looks like they've agreed to a ceasefire. Doubt it'll last long.

That’s a lot of groups. Are they all jihadist and/or nationalists. There’s gotta be a socialist group in there somewhere.

At the start a there was a small leftist organisation that took part in the uprising and had a small brigade. They back SDF now, even the commies on Assads side support YPG.

Makes sence. What’s the group that supported the FSA, but now is part of the SDF?

There are a few. The most prominent is Jaish al-Thuwar or the Army of Revolutionaries.

Source on your last statement pls

i wouldnt say nationalists, you have those on both sides, even more so on the goverment side because of the all "for god, for syria, for bashar and the baath" (allah, surya, bashar, w baas). the non-jihadist rebels are mainly sunni youth that went with the trend of rebellion durig the arab spring. kinda like how you have protests somewhere and youth joins in eventho most of them dont know whats even it all about, mass hysteria if you will.
the commies were at first divided between those who supported "the revolution" and those who supported the "unity of syriac peoples against imperialism". tho as it went on and the jihadit thing became moe apparent more and more leftists just joined the goverment (as they later with SDF, when faced with jihadism and collaboration with turkey as said in )
same went with nationalists, some of which saw assad as an centrist moderate dictator not working in syrias interests, but when they saw the other option they jut flocked to him, like the SSNP.
when the YPG and other militias boomed in northern syria around 2016 they got some support from the left scene in syria, but mostly symbolic, since prettymuch no units went from liberate syrian areas up there soley on the basis of ideology. however many kurds from latakia and liberated aleppo went there with the agreement and help of the goverment.
the kurdish pocket in aleppo actively supported the goverment advance along the Castello highway, but became neutral after the encirclement was half on its way seeing thhe syrian forcs can handle it on their own.

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