Do Americans realize that Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave?

jeffersonian democracy has become associated with red states and thus bad

Mistake? No. Just incomplete. After the revolution, they confiscated and broke up massive landed estates belonging to British aristocrats like Lords Fairfax and Granville in the south, as well as the manorial estates of the Hudson valley in NY which had been held by Dutchmen loyal to the British crown. The trouble was the power held by the landed southern elite who were not aristocrats on the side of the revolutionaries was such that slavery became an untouchable issue. The interests of these landed gentlemen was served by the continuation of slavery so that even Jefferson, a slaveholder who nonetheless favored gradual emancipation, did nothing to further that cause upon being elected President. It is interesting that inevitably every 4th of July someone will bring up how the American Revolution was comparatively "non-violent" as revolutions go. The reality may well be that it was not violent enough, as the inability of the revolutionaries to address the issue of slavery set the stage for the bloodletting that was the American Civil War, and the decades of brutal violence against the slaves themselves in the intervening decades.

federalism sounds exactly like ML

Rule by the wealthy should be on both sides

this. I don't see why people shit Jefferson for not wanting a perfect world when he was only trying to make it better (at least better than Hamilton's shit)

Yeah bro agrarian societies where slaves outnumber freemen 3 to 1 are amazing.

Jefferson basically shut up about slavery being bad the moment he jotted down a calculation in his diary about how profitable the mere act of owning slaves was via birth of new slaves.

That image is so biased it's absurd.

Without Alexander Hamilton's economic plan, the US would never have become an economic powerhouse. Jefferson was retarded and wanted America to just be some agricultural backyard selling cotton and beans to Europe to get manufactured goods in return. Ever heard of the American System? Yea that all came from Hamilton.

This. And peep the economic history of latin America if you want to see how well this Jeffersonian model works in the long term. There are countries that have literally been set decades back because they were ruled by an oligarchy tied to a particular production that collapsed once europeans were able to reproduce their plantations in their colonies, or because the same resources were found elsewhere eventually, or because global demand fell.

Then these oligarchies become pure leeches (even more so than before), make the country hostage to the decentralization they need in order to survive, make any modernizing effort impossible and create political vaccuums that directly lead to the dictatorships of the 20th century and problems they're still facing. The term "caudillo" would certainly have an english equivalent if Jefferson had it his way.

Hamilton was not only the exponent of the best model of capitalist development, he was a visionary as well. He even sensed new developments in industry would change production once and for all decades before the industrial era properly began.

Isn't Hamilton the guy who came up with the economic policy that made America so wealthy?

wait a sec I'm actually history and I like it