Tech obsolesce and socialism

Hey Holla Forums how do you feel about technological obsolesce? Sometimes it feels like a thing is phased out just because the new thing is more profitable even if the new thing has no new benefits but the old thing was created to fulfill a need that existed in capitalism on the first place.
Take a look at TV sets and screens in general, CRTs are better for video/photo editing and gaming but are no longer being made at all.
But the question is if in socialism can we make something better than the alternatives that we have today or can we return and enhance CRTs beyond what capitalism allows?

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CRTs are a big electricity waste. They needed to phase out.

We will never be able to make better gaming screens than CRTs.

Projectors m8.
Or is there some video lag on shit aside from crt? I'm not very /g/.

I was being sarcastic, m8

Don't you think your information about the superiority of CRTs is out of date, OP? (I genuinely don't know.)

In what sense are computers today superior? They have massively more storage and can compute faster of course, but to what extent is that something the average Joe actually experiences? Suppose we do the following test: How long does it take to turn on the computer, compose a letter, and print it out? What have been the gains over the past 20 years? I suspect for that particular question, there aren't any. Which is not to say that we are touching the wall of maximum efficiency here.

Why aren't keyboards with integrated leap keys the standard today? (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Cat) Very easy to pick up, a simple tool to navigate through long documents without all that back and forth between mouse and keyboard. It's mind-boggling how extremely irrational modern design is. Now we have keyboard, mouse, AND touch, and each of these gives you almost every interaction option, but not actually everything (and a lot is cryptic stuff that even seasoned users don't know), so you switch back and forth a lot. Shit like ultra-slim notebooks by Apple creeps me out to no end. What is the purpose of that? I think we need fewer artsy types and mentally ill people (Steve Jobs had button-phobia, not joking) involved in interface design and instead design around a bunch of dull test scenarios like the one with creating a letter.

I fix computers for average Joe every day and I guarantee you he definitely experiences having terabytes of hidef pirated movies on his cheap, high capacity hard drives.

That's exactly NOT the point. The point is: To what extent does that correspond to better quality of life? Is a movie at four times the resolution four times as entertaining? If you say that objectively the storage has increased by such and such factor, do you think it is fair to put that objective factor into analysis of the development of the real wage? Let's look at how much $$$ you had to pay for that amount of data storage in 1980 and conclude that objectively we are all millionaires in 1980 objective-information dollars.

Who would win? Old Ghostbusters on Laser Disc or New Ghostbusters on Blu-ray?

Suppose a random nigga wants to buy a new console, and she really, really, loathes loading times. There is the Atari Playbox 420 and the Colecovision Turbo Dreamcube; the first console has better hardware specs in that regard, and the second has binding standards about loading times in all dev contracts. What's going to make the difference? What's more useful for our average gal consumer to know?

We have some totally bizarre trends in technology: Let's make cell phones super-small, yaaay, now typing is a pain in the arse, let's make them bigger again, yaaay. Would a society where people actually think about what they are producing do this shit?

Man, fuck this gay HD earth.

CRTs literally emit ionizing radiation. I'm glad we have LCD/LED now.

They emit it as low levels, unless rub your genitals over it I don't see the problem.

They emit very low amounts of it
CRT are harmless

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CRTs aren't that good. It takes some time to get used to them again after you have used a good LCD screen. CRTs suffer from geometry errors, while LCDs always have perfect geometry. I got rid of my CRT because I wanted to have a bigger screen and better resolution for my computing. Big CRTs are so heavy you can't even carry them by yourself. If colour accuracy is something that worries you, learn the difference between a TN and an IPS display. I think the problem is not the hardware, but the software. For example, the transition from analog TV to digital TV was one of the main reasons why you would replace your TV. This was done just so there could be more channels available. Computers also have this problem. Your old computer isn't slow because it's old, but because of inefficient software. My laptop is ten years old, but with proper software I can still use it. It can even play HD video. What I find interesting, is the SED technology. They're essentially flat CRTs. I never found out why this technology didn't take off. There's very little information about it on the internet.

In a socialist society software would support the hardware for a longer time. There wouldn't be Microsoft/Apple style planned obsolescence. Hardware would also be easier to repair. I still remember the TV repair shops we used to have here. Now they're all gone. It's cheaper to buy new than repair.

Color accuracy is what concerns me. explain me what's the difference between TN and IPS
And to watch movies and TV CRTs are not a big deal but the video/photo editing and gaming argument still stands.

TN panels are cheaper to manufacture. If you think of LCD screen flaws, you're probably thinking of TN panel flaws. Limited viewing angles and poor colour reproduction are the two biggest ones. IPS panels address these problems, but they aren't perfect either. You might see the backlight producing glow if you make the screen display only black, like when maximising a terminal window. I've attached a picture that shows what it looks like through a camera. Through your eyes the effect isn't as pronounced. CRTs don't have a backlight so they obviously never have this problem, which is why I find the SED such an interesting technology.

can someone explain why?

I don't know about video/image editing but it does have a better response time since CRT has no frame buffer but is going line by line thus it is possible to have a graphical card still be working on the frame while the CRT is half way down the screen as long as the card can keep up with the scan.

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When the first LCDs were available, the CRT technology was far more mature. The main attraction of the LCD was its thinness, not the image quality. The gaming thing is about the refresh rate and the response time. Do you remember the ghosting on early LCDs? Imagine that while gaming. However we have come a long way from those days.

Isn't the frame buffer on the GPU? The GPU usually draws the image the same way a CRT would display it, from the top left to the bottom right. This is why you can have screen tearing even on an LCD. The thing is that CRTs only accept an analog signal, and LCDs only accept a digital signal. If a monitor has both analog and digital inputs, it means there's an ADC/DAC inside, which will add latency.

You can have higher frame rate then is being outputted, or you can have older chipsets that just changed the VRAM as it was working on it with no regard for syncing with the frame as back then nobody cared if a arcade board tore spires every so often.

The issue was early digital TVs had a internal frame buffer that waited till they got the entire frame before showing, now almost all digital TVs have a game mode to by pass buffering the input. Yet still it doesn't have the same response to change on input.

It costs the same to make different cpu's but thanks to capitalism they limit them to make more money.
I think that even under communism we would need to upgrade our products before they are broken.

I don't agree with you about CRTs being better, but lightbulbs for instance can potentially last for years but are intentionally made to burn out within months.

Kinda. There is the issue of sub-par cpus from the line being binned as a lower spec CPU. Overclocking works because Intel and AMD realize they can make even more money branding good CPUs to lower spec yet every so often you run into a CPU that is unstable above its boxed clock.

In Japan they have a philosophy of wabi-sabi, which is basically embracing imperfections.
I think that before throwing broken things out we should try to fix them an reuse them.
Or break them down into their component parts and make the better version of them.

I'm on a LED screen right now, I have to really look into this because I want to buy a second screen specifically for my digital painting work and there is a bunch of stuff to be concerned about, I wanted a CRT because I heard they were easier to calibrate and "if it looks good on a CRT it'll look good anywhere"


For gaming CRTs have no lag and for video/photo editing is what I said above

since under socialism we'd produce things for use rather than exchange value, i think you'd have a much better chance of getting improved niche equipment like a modernized CRT. as long as you can use it, i don't see why you couldn't petition for one.