Healthcare is not needed in socialism

Healthcare is not needed in socialism.
Keeping individuals healthy vs. keeping the collective healthy are two different things.
Right now, elderly people who are not productive and are parasites are getting most of government healthcare.
Why not let them die and spend the resources on the young, productive members instead?
Society would improve and there would be an incentive to be healthy.

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I would imagine people function easier when they have the guarantee that will be them in the future, a retired elder.

Socialism is not just minmaxing production.

Dumb. It is in my self interest to have old people taken care of because I will be old one day. If I'm lucky.

Socialism doesn't imply welfare in general.
The ownership of the means of production can still be collective without there being a safety net for the old.
In fact, letting the unproductive die and recycle their bodies would be a better solution for the whole of society.

Socialism doesn't imply barbaric utilitarianism either.

Your own wellbeing isn't as important as the wellbeing of society. Look at the gerontocracy that is eating away at society's resources in Europe, the United States, and Japan.

To sacrifice yourself for the good of the collective, is it not a good thing?

lol stop being so edgy

counter-currents.com/2016/01/how-i-became-a-socialist/

There are enough resources on Earth to feed and house everybody.

What's edgy about stating that the welfare state is a trap originally created by Otto von Bismarck because he was afraid of a true socialist revolution?

Franz von Lenbach's portrait of Bismarck in his 75th year.
In domestic policy Bismarck pursued a state-building strategy designed to make ordinary Germans more loyal to throne and empire, implementing the modern welfare state in Germany in the 1880s.

Nope. Not when more and more live to be 110.

Forgot the link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Social_legislation

Why would anyone contribute to the wellbeing of a society that will throw them in the trash when they become old?
Not everyone spends every waking moment of their life trying to squeeze as much value as they can out of everything in sight. Most are more than willing to take care of those who cannot care for themselves.

Bismarck confirmed for Nazbol!1!

That's true, but it's got nothing to do with socialism.

We already produce enough to feed 10 billion people. Old people generally need less food as well. We have enough.

My own well being is absolutely more important than the well being of society.


No? What do you think capitalism is, if not self sacrifice for a "greater" external authority?

You don't understand, old people need medicine, surgeries, medical equipment, etc. to stay alive. That costs a lot of money and takes away a lot of resources.

That makes you a selfish Ayn Rand worshiper.

You know what else takes a lot of resources? Raising a baby.

And there's absolutely no guarantee that baby will grow up to be an useful member of society.

Assuming a social democratic society the cost is easily bearable. Don't know what it'd look like under anarchism besides LOL MUTUAL AID XDDDDD and ML is basically social democracy at the barrel of a gun anyways.

nah

If not, then the child will be culled.
By breeding successful humans with each other, we will have Homo Socialās.

Good, I agree, we eugenics now.

I prefer the term "socially responsible breeding."

kek

So wait, girls not sleeping with you isn't genocide, it's eugenics?

The logical conclusion of socialism is a race of eusocial post-humans. Like ants and bees, we would be created to occupy pre-determined roles in society.

You're assuming my gender, aren't you?

ay like BNW cept without the fun stuff

Pretty much. Also, add a set lifespan of 99 years and you'd have a stable socialist society.

The anoddah shoa line is just something we use to recruit gullible incel boys on Holla Forums

On a true Nazi society they would be the first lined up against the wall

>implying the blatant hatred of women on Holla Forums doesn't alienate women who don't have serious self esteem issues from Holla Forums
I don't need to assume it.

We need to throw olds (40+) in the genevats so we can get a scientific victory.

Some women have penises, sinner.
I have several of them inside me right now.

I think BNW has that as well. SCIENCE made it so people could be great workers till the day they died so no one had any excuse to retire and relax in their old age. I also think your brain kind of just shuts down around your 90s iirc.

Non-religious amen to that!

Hey, that's socialism!

Nuh uh. They bought basket frisbee golf equipment and prayed to FORD so its capitalism.

Yeah, and they hate you too.

nah, kill all old people, that's socialism in a nutshell!

Additionally we need to assess the GDP (grain devouring potential) of all individuals and cull those who will eat all our corn.

Your slings and arrows of outrageous wit are mortally wounding me. I fear that I cannot continue now that your sharp silver tongue of sarcasm cut me to the bone.

Bitch, paleodiet or bust.

Fruit bearing…. well, all trees are counter revolutionary and eco imperialist. Get to work, Bunyan.

Why stop at old people though?

You're completely right user. But I am not opposed to "fwee heathkeuhhhh". I think its not needed under socialism.

Yeah. Socialism will literally solve disease.

12 billion*

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That makes no sense, how can socialism solve all diseases? It's just an economic system lmao

Well the only reason disease exists is the Yakubian-Zionist conspiracy.

Heres the thing OP, Nietzsche was in favor of some length of sacrificing yourself for the betterment of society. He wanted people to be products of self-overcoming for the benefit of creating a new people/species to rise above the fun in society. He wanted to create a people to surpass man. Nietzsche himself sacrificed his own sanity to write books and attempt to teach the people. He was a product of self overcoming.

Yakub is a good guy who did nothing wrong, we Aryans are a product of advanced eugenics.

Aryans, yes, forest and tundra apes? …no.

We need to genetically engineer superior beings in order for socialism to function properly.

Which genetically superior beings get to shovel shit all day?

Those who are programmed to do so willingly for the good of the collective.

How about we just make them robots to avoid accidentally going full bnw huh?

Bourgeois af, this exactly the line of thought that needs to be eradicated from the world. The obsession with the efficiency of capital and its general function subjects humanity, and makes for the whole "topsy-turvy world" in the first place. Productivity isn't the goal, it is but a means for life. That life - which each and every individual experiences and has the potentiality to flourish in - will only come when people lose this mentality of "trying to make a living" and stop reinforcing the structures that subjugate them

We know how to breed mammals, we don't really know how to make really useful robots.

The Borg collective is the future tbh fam

no thanks, id rather have my gran live a comfortable life

RIP gran ;_;

Your life is meaningless outside of the collective, comrade.

itt: We're reaching levels of ideology that shouldn't even be possible

You mean 30+ right comrade?

Wait I'm over 30

That sucks ;_;

Right wing troll, misguided nihilist…what are you? Cuz this is dumb.

Is that bad or good?

Sage goes in the email field because shit thread. Society doesn't exist, it's an abstraction and not a particularly useful one at that. Why should people serve it?

30 can do manual labor for a decade but absolutely no intellegesia.

I dunno, I guess doing dumb threads like this to cope with crushing alienation is acceptable, if you know at the end of the day it is just an "imaginary relation to your concrete conditions of existence", in other words LARPing


Hi Margaret Thatcher, didn't know you could browse Holla Forums in hell, makes the prospect of going there someday seem not so bad.

Maggie's literally correct but stupid in her intentions. We wish to serve society as a mass group of individuals because it has a use to us via the principles of mutual aid, but we should be wary not to pamper what we believe to be 'society'.

You're responding in this thread instead of ignoring it. What does that say about you?

lol

I think I'm in love now

like cocaine?

I see the trolls are getting a bit creative now that overt " is great" threads are banned.