Emmanuel Macron says France needs a King

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Guillotine brought back when?

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criticallegalthinking.com/2013/05/14/accelerate-manifesto-for-an-accelerationist-politics/
youtube.com/watch?v=acT_PSAZ7BQ
mirror.co.uk/tech/plot-assassinate-french-president-bastille-10733942
nhentai.net/g/85289/
breitbart.com/london/2017/07/04/macron-announces-govern-like-jupiter-roman-king-gods/
infowars.com/top-psychiatrist-says-french-president-macron-is-a-dangerous-psychopath/
youtube.com/watch?v=NNDgsw39m9s
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Thank god the rational liberal centrist won! This is a preview of what we'll see under Zuckerberg et al.

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This is the true attitude of all the neolibs.

I thought this was a joke when I first heard it.

Someone better resurrect Robespierre.

It's up to us, comrade.

Welcome to the late capitalist endgame.

It's even funnier when we are talking about country where le pen could became the ruler in the last elections, and cucked lefties still defends mob rule.

It's even funnier when we are talking about country where le pen could became the ruler in the last elections, and cucked lefties still defends mob rule.

Clarify.

Macron only won because the French system is designed to whittle the contenders down until you have just a couple of choices. It's not mob rule. It's bourgeois rule.

Just to combine the two topics

theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/03/emmanuel-macron-to-set-out-his-vision-for-french-renaissance

The French president Emmanuel Macron has promised a “profound transformation” of France and Europe, calling for an end to defeatism and “cynicism” in a rare address to both houses of parliament in the gilded palace of Versailles.

In a ninety-minute speech intended to echo the style of the US state of the union address, Macron reiterated his key campaign proposals to change French labour laws and overhaul the workings of parliament, demanding lawmakers get on board and silence “the cynic that lies in all of us”.

Macron repeated his promise to slash the number of members of parliament by one third and hold a referendum on it if parliament did not approve. He promised to give citizens more power to use petitions to get key topics discussed in parliament and to add a “dose” of proportional representation to French parliament – without giving further detail.

Macron had summoned members of parliament and senators to sit in a joint congress at the sumptuous palace at Versailles to listen to his speech – a gesture which has never before happened at the start of a French presidency and which confirmed his tendency to use regal and majestic symbols to stress what he has promised would be a “revolution” in France.

Some opposition MPs on the left boycotted the gathering in the regal setting, accusing him of a “monarchical” drift. The address in the former seat of French kings provoked anger among leftist parliament members and concerns over costs among some centrists.

Jean-Luc Mélenchon, head of the leftist France Unbowed group, led his 17 MPs in a boycott, accusing “Macron the pharaoh” of crossing a line in his “monarchical” approach to the presidency, slamming the speech for its “bleating Europeanism” and “deathly dullness”.

Well, that's it.

I finally fucking hate someone more than I hate Donald Trump.

Is civil war a possibility?

Saint-Just, Couthon. Get the guillotine.

If Macaroni starts deporting Muslims he can probably secure the FN voter support.

Not gonna happen, this is corporate feudalism, the number one goal is to reduce the power of labour and increase the power of capital.

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Can someone please post the Robespierre image with the red eyes?

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Thanks comrade

Jesus fucking Christ. After Melenchon was eliminated I thought "well it's status quo until he /ourguy/ can try again"
Looks like I was wrong. At least Le Pen would have stoked revolutionary ire in the common people.

Last time these labor reforms were proposed a third of the fucking country went on strike

Oh shit, are they the same labor reforms that Holland tried to push?

I wanted to write an article this summer criticizing the Invisible Committee for proposing boring insurrectionalism at an age where (post-)Landian accelerationist ideas are getting increasingly widespread, but they might be right.
Maybe Paris needs to burn.
Maybe François Ruffin needs to throw a molotov cocktail into the national assembly.
Maybe we need to sharpen our old guillotines.
NIQUE TOUT

He wants to increase the working week and reduce restrictions on how long people can work, IE. The exact opposite of what will help with unemployment but will help reduce the bargaining power of labour.

What would you be criticizing? I think the invisible comite writes some fantastic stuff

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

he might not be le pen, but he's trying damn it.

Sounds like he wants to turn France into the US.

wew

all this will teach the ruling class is that they can get enough self-proclaimed leftists to vote for the status quo because concerns over racism trump economics. they will probably play this card over and over again and substantial portions of the left will fall for it every time, I'm sure.

Just as capitalism emerged from feudalism, I'm starting to fear that feudalism shall emerge anew from capitalism.

reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKBN19O1AN

Not sure what you mean. If businesses can press people to work more hours, they'll be more productive and get more profits. With all that productivity money they'll hire more employees to increase their productivity even further. It's a spiral staircase to prosperity with no ceiling, why are you against it?

So ancap?

Their new book, Maintenant (Now).
There is some interesting stuff in it (especially their analysis of the Uber-like brand of self-employment that Macron loves and champions) and I need to reread it more carefully, but after reading the first thirty pages of Inventing the Future by Srnicek & Williams a little later, which came out 3 years ago, I was disappointed to see that the Committee doesn't address their critique, or doesn't even seem to know that these guys exist at all actually, and just wank themselves to some vague and shallow disapproval of "cybernetics" and "Marxists" in their little Parisian anarchist bubble.
I mean, during the elections I was convinced by their theses, but then Macron got elected, the excitation dampened and everything became calm again in France. If they wanted to agitated violently everyone, they failed.
I'm extremely lazy and prone to procrastination, so I might not write anything, but asking myself "How I could contribute to Spectre Rouge ?" made me think of that.

think "serfs on the tech plantation"
ancapism is a meme, a strong state is needed to secure intellectual property

This kinda shit is how the last revolution started you dumb frog

The bogpill is real

WHAT THE FUCK

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Cool, would u recommend Inventing the Future?

Macron works for Rothschilds. Rothschilds bow to Bogdanoffs. He is now a BOI (Bogdanoff occupied person)

Any new of where is Louis XX or Henry VII?

Well considering their new citizens I think this is a very likely possibility. Congratz to France on officially becoming part of the middle east!

WEW LAD
I didn't think history could loop that far back.

Can you list all the awful things Macron has done? How is he worse than Trump? I did not pay attention to the France election because the whole thing is a farce just like the US election.

He is not going to do that.

PARIS COMMUNE REVIVAL WHEN
GUILLOTINE THAT NEOLIB

I haven't read more than the two first chapters tbh, but yes.
It has been quite criticized too, but Srnicek & Williams brought a bit of fresh air into leftist theory with it, and even Nick Land himself (a rather right-wing philosopher who is more or less the creator of accelerationism) acknowledged their work as significant.
Start with the Manifesto for an Accelerationist Politics, it's shorter and go straight to the point : criticallegalthinking.com/2013/05/14/accelerate-manifesto-for-an-accelerationist-politics/

Our contemporaries will believe it if they wish, but posterity will not
doubt that the most insane men were those who sat aroimd a table and
said: “We will take their old Constitution from tbe French people, and
we will give them another” (this one or that one, does not matter).
Although this ridiculous idea was common to all the parties that have
ravaged France, nevertheless the Jacobins especially come to mind as
destroyers rather than builders, and they leave in the imagination a
certain impression of grandeur that is the result of the immensity of
their success. One can even doubt that they seriously planned to
organize France itself as a republic, since the republican constitution
that they fabricated was only a kind of comedy enacted for the people
to distract them for a moment, and I do not think that the least
enlightened of its authors could have believed in it for an instant.
The men who appeared on the scene in the first days of the
Constituent Assembly, however, really believed themselves to be
legislators. They very seriously and very obviously had the ambition
to give France a political constitution, and they believed that an
assembly could decide, by majority vote, that a nation would no longer
have a particular government and that it would have another. Now, this
idea is the maximum of extravagance, and nothing equal to it has ever
emerged from all the bedlams in the world. So these men produce
only the impression of weakness, ignorance, and disappointment. No
feeling of admiration or terror can equal the type of angry pity that the
constituent bedlam inspires. The prize for villainy belongs by right to
the Jacobins, but posterity, with one common voice, will award that for
folly to the Constitutionals,
True legislators have all sensed that human reason could not stand
alone, and that no purely human institution could last. This is why they
interlaced, if it may be put this way, politics and religion, so that
human weakness, strengthened by a supernatural support, could be
sustained by it. Rousseau admired the Judaic law and that of the child
of Ishmael, which have lasted so many centuries. The authors of these
two celebrated institutions were at the same time pontiffs and legislators;
in the Koran as in the Bible, politics is divinized, and human
reason, crushed by the religious ascendancy, cannot insinuate its
isolating and corrosive poison into the mechanisms of government, so
that citizens are believers whose loyalty is exalted to faith, and
obedience to enthusiasm and fanaticism.

Welcome to democracy.

The French people must guillotine this fuck and Le pen

REV UP THE GULLOTINES

Just wait, in a few years everyone will realize how important the resistance against "cybernetics" (big data, universal surveillance, governing by algorithms, etc.) actually is.

DEBOUT

YYEEEESSS.

OFF WITH MACRON`S HEAD
FOR THE REPUBLIC!

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Holy shit

If the time comes for the French to storm something, which Parisian building would be the modern day equivalent of the Bastille?

Of course, capitalist cybernetics are pretty scary and something we need to fight, but that doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The Invisible Committee borders on anarcho-primitivism sometimes and seems unable to imagine a communist society where complex technologies and engineering techniques would be commonly in use, which isn't very appealing to me.

mirror.co.uk/tech/plot-assassinate-french-president-bastille-10733942

The main problem for a new french "revolution" is that the radical opposition is splitted between the France Insoumise and the Front National and they hate each other nearly as much as they both hate Macron.

Not only are there obvious problems with this model (mainly increased workload, longer worktime and depressed wages), there also is no guarantee that the increased production revenue would go towards hiring new employees — it could end up in higher management's pockets as it so often happens or be invested in automated machinery that would further reduce employment opportunities.

t. Joseph-Marie "Gettin' on Your Knees for the Holy See" de Maistre

The idea that the French want a king deep down is not that uncommon in french culture, it's kind of a joke. This quote is not as bad as an American may think.

Didn't you see how Macron and his friends slaughtered all his enemies? Even his former allies. Le Pen and Bayrou will be out of the picture for a long time with all the legal shit thrown at them and I doubt Mélenchon will try again. Macron is the hand of the international banksters and he never tried to hide that he's here to accelerate the advent of the new world order.

I'm laughing at all the retirees who voted for him "awww he's young" "aww he's cute" "awww CHANGE aww NEW awww RENEWAL" and other stupid fucking buzzwords shite fuck fuck. They're already getting slaughtered financially. Get rekt you fucking cunts.

Next I'll laugh at all the parents.

Every single cunt who voted for Macron will get what's coming to them.

As an European, I think it is. The idea that the French "lack" and "want" a king was popularized by De Gaulle as an excuse for his own caesarism.

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didn't most le Pen voters during the presidential election first round indicate Melenchon as their second preference?

Why do ultra-liberal and rationalist Silicon Valley worshippers often promote monarchism and mystiscism as well? Are they part of some secret esoteric cult?

Yes. It's called idealism.

You ever wonder why the free software movement is hailed as a positive sign for left wing society?

Computer nerds basically live in their own little reality bubble. If you can get them to collaborate for a collective effort, anything is possible.

They feel that they are innately superior and deserve to rule over the proles who are too dumb to know what's good for themselves.

They're atheist but still want the pseudo-religious experience.

French people are so goddamn spooked

A lot of them are Thelemites.

Maybe but Le Pen is not the second preference for Mélenchon voters, if it was the case she would have won the election over Macron. So an alliance between FI and FN is highly improbable.

Sounds like the sort of venerable wisdom you could find in any bargain bin self-help book targeted at new age normies.

So this is the power of new sincerity.

Do as thou wilt, comrade.

At least "Do What Thou Wilt" is concise, it doesn't try to make a bullet point list out of "dude just be urself lmao".

If you don't find it helpful then don't use it. I appreciate the clear and plain language. Maybe it seems over simplistic and obvious to you, but I find it helpful in this hectic life. It's easy to forget the simple things when you're rushing around trying to stay alive, and when everyone is always trying to boss you around.

I know that doujin but I couldn't fap to it cause that cute chick was fucking a fat old man. Fuck artists who pander to fat americans who want to self-insert.

I can just guess who the author is judging from that description and the image itself.

ShindoL?

the phone call that saved France

forgot shitposting flag

Name/source?

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French Monarcho-syndicalism when?

but
what does the i stand for user
person doesnt with an i user!!!

nhentai.net/g/85289/

Macron does not need to elect a King, he wants to be a symbolic but elected King, like he said about De Gaulle in the article.

Bogdanoff Occupied Individual

Monarchism is the future, leftycucks.

everytime

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VIVE L'EMPEREUR

I'm actually kinda liking Macron, he's got a lot of flair.

I respect him as a formidable adversary but I cannot like him one bit. He's neoliberalism incarnated

Neo liberalism hast died. Its evolving into an authoritarian state, the groundwork was set by putin and china.
The trump win was the nail in the coffin of clinton era globalist neoliberalism.

The future is a multi polar world of various capitalist blocs fighting each other over land and resources. Like a giant chess board.

There are two parties, the inner party and the outer party, and they are pretty much the same.

There is advanced surveillance, big brother is watching

The proles are fed with degenerate media like reality tv and porno


So all in all orwell was pretty spot on the way the future is, is going to be

Where are living in huxley's world and soon to be orwell's world

I just had an idea for a new meme.

What if we memed an instruction manual of taking crown-like objects and urging the French people to throw them at Macron whenever he enters the public eye?

Uhm, not so fast sweetie. Sister Chelsea is going to run in 2020

Don't address the French from the outside, get a french /leftyproletarian/ to write it in his/her tense

nationalism is going to be a big part of it.
You look at china, its a state capitalist country, and the younger generation are very nationalistic against the west and america.
Expect in the future these globalists to turn on a dime and be all "What the fuck i love western culture now"

I dont think it will be racist though, it will be assimilation.

I think cultural relativism will die, and muslims will have their head beaten in to put the nation before their religion… or else


I even recall reading somewhere orwell saying that there were even black people in the inner party in 1984.


All rage will be directed at east asia.

Oh wait now euroasia.

The problem with the clinton era globalism is that it had no outside enemy to focus its rage on like the soviet union.
So the proles are turning against the elite.
In a multi polar world you can have an eternal cold war between the various blocs, nationalism is a must to turn the prole rage outward instead of on the managers and plutocrats.

So the elite will budge on some issues, like they will become champions of the nation and culture, and they will tell the third world they flooded the country to assimilate or go back to mehico.

Clinton would have won if she just told sjw's to go fuck themselves and mexicans to love it or leave it.

Don't forget Napoléon VII.

Idpolers are the only people who unironically enjoy neoliberal electoral politics though. Who would canvas or make calls for her if she didn't have the wannabe yuppie SJWs on her side?

why?

she would have had those rustbelt electoral votes.
What are they sjw's going to do? vote republican? lol

/ourguy/

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This got me thinking. One in a hundred would probably have a semi-realistic replica which would essentially amount to getting hit with a large sharp stone.

Why are these people such idiots? Its like they want to be caught or something.

Wouldn't just throwing tiaras at him be enough? Not only are you insulting his royal ambitions, you're emasculating him too.

Nah he thinks immigration is the best thing ever.

He's the complete opposite of Le Pen on almost every single point.

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Is this the timeline where Melenchon guillotines Macron and LePen?

breitbart.com/london/2017/07/04/macron-announces-govern-like-jupiter-roman-king-gods/

wat

This thread only makes it incredibly apparent he has a god complex completely unwarranted for his softballed in election and lack of actually doing anything so far.
I can't wait to see how this will represent itself in his actions and how badly it will end for him.

infowars.com/top-psychiatrist-says-french-president-macron-is-a-dangerous-psychopath/

youtube.com/watch?v=NNDgsw39m9s

Is a GIMP or Paint wizard among us? This seems very relevant to what is presently unfolding:

I bet it was really fun and taboo to fuck your older teacher, but now he has to stay married to her while she is like in her 60's and his is in his 40's or something.
Well he is french so he probably has like 10 mistresses

The real Game of Thrones can't get any weirder

You guys aren't really buying into this are you?

But isn't this exactly what you want? Tech-based monarchy?

You don't get it. He is homosexual. The rumors is so persistent he had to publicly deny it. He genuinely likes her but she's more like a mother/best friend.

I agree with you but most people on this board think it's somehow impossible to have any love whatsoever for your countrymen over any abstract bloke in the world without wholeheartedly wanting to suck banker cock with every fiber of your being, so you might be pretty isolated here.

All news is propaganda user

IMAGINE MY SURPRISE

Obama is gay too. He totally missed his chance to be literal butt buddies with america.

As much as Holla Forums is knowledgeable on the left, you guys are a bit lost on the other side of the spectrum.
First of all,Macron being a monarchist is nothing new. People were already making fun of him for that under the Hollande government, the man was even jokingly invited to attend a colloque organized by the Action Française (a corporatist/integralist/national-syndicalist monarchist organization and arguably the largest proponent of monarchy in France).
Macron's royalism is, despite him being buddy with the "legitimist" pretendant, very Orleanist. You have in France 3 dynastic-political factions that interlace and that you can sort off track though time up to modern day. Allow me to explain

The first line is/was the Legitimist line. They completely disregard the heritage of the revolution and for them France between 1789 and 1815 wasn't France at all. They came to power in 1815 after Napoleon was disposed at Waterloo and tried to implement a lot of reactionary laws and customs, but they were held back by the new king, Louis XVIII.
Louis XVIII. didn't like the liberals and republicans one bit, but he acknowledged their existence and their demands, which is why his reign was very balanced, with the king taking a less active role other than to contain the occasional ultra-royalist stupidity. His philosophy of rule can be most clearly seen by reading through the 1814 royal charter (the new "constitution") where he cedes most responsibilities to the Commons and Lords while still insisting these chambers exist only because of his god given right to create them.
Problems started to come when he died and the throne was taken over Charles X. Charles was, unlike Louis, very active in the "ultra" circles and envisoned himself as more of a 17th century monarch than a 19th century one, bringing back old regalia like the infamous pourpre cape. He upset the Chambers by forcing through a lot of absolutist and reactionary laws, with the most famous being a law on blasphemy that was pulled straight out of medieval books, that was thankfully shot down by the Lower Chamber in a rare stint where most factions but the most ultra one worked together.
In 1830, after 6 years of rule by Charles X. the people had had enough and started a popular uprising which was very quickly coopted by the liberal bourgeois, instead of a republic they championed a new king, Louis-Phillipe from the junior Bourbon-Orleans branch. Louis-Phillipe was the darling of the liberals, with his austere "english" coat and tophat and affinity for liberal circles. Unlike Charles he proclaimed that his right to rule didnt come from God but from the French people, which is why he was "King of the French" and no longer "King of France". Louis-Phillipe had a lot in common with Macron actually. Still young at the time of his ascension he captivated the press with his citizen-king image and promise of reform. However the people soon became disenchanted as Louis-Phillipe was essentially the pawn of the bourgeois, with ever accelerating industrialisation and complete lack of laws or government interference in the economy and an affinity to send the troops deal with disgrunteled workers, his reign (1830-1848) was easily the worst possible period to be a proletarian in France. Nevertheless his concepts of monarchy derived from popular support rather than god given right, return to a republican justice with equality before the law and business friendly policies resonated very well with the liberal bourgeoisie. Monarchists who espouse this philosophy are called Orleanists.
Honestly their portraits already tell you what their reign was like.
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How does Holla Forums feel about the Freemasons?

How does that make any sense?

Reminds me of Putin wanting the Romanovs back.

t. burger. This isn't the shitty American system. People don't have to do that "lesser of 2 evils" tactical voting garbage.

Yes they do. That's what the rounds are for.

You guys are just a little late to the party. Imperialism has its price. You think your neutered and dysfunctional left can stand up to the might of western capitalism now that it has turned its focus inwards? Yeah no. Macron and reforms are just the beginning.

Just someone fucking grassy knoll someone already everything since Reagan has been a misfire

How hard is it to blow someone's god damn brains out and if nobody has died since Kennedy besides Hey Man Nice Shot guy why do they even fucking care they have secret security climbing up their ass

Soccer Mom is the new Punk. Complaining about all possible media portraying today is dystopian is socially unacceptable and everything conservative is really great especially promoting monarchy, we need more women monarchs

I'm getting so sick of everything about the past year can a mother fucker just shoot a politician already

call me ABC I don't give a shit this is a new level of bullshit, I remember when people partied when Budd Dwyer shot himself

nazbols get the bullet too

We need a fucking Butlerian Jihad at this fucking point

You brought this on yourselves. The left isn't fucked. It's stronger than ever in the third world and will only get stronger as the West/America crumbles.

This generation identifies more with the radical left than the sixties, Holla Forums isn't a majority

[Verse 2]
God money's not looking for the cure
God money's not concerned about the sick among the pure
God money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised
God money's not one to choose

[Pre-Chorus]
No you can't take it
No you can't take it
No you can't take that away from me
No you can't take it
No you can't take it
No you can't take that away from me

[Chorus]
Head like a hole, black as your soul
I'd rather die than give you control
Head like a hole, black as your soul
I'd rather die than give you control

[Post-Chorus]
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve
Bow down before the one you serve
You're going to get what you deserve

t. idiot. There was no one to vote for BESIDES macron and le pen in the final round. Unless you're so nazbol you think they should have voted for her.

he's a mtw, disregard him

That's how the "lesser of two evils" thing works user.

No that's just called liberalism

1st round: instant runoff, no tactical voting necessary.
2nd round: 2 choices, no tactical voting possible.
You're a retard.

Holla Forums does know their french history but Macaroni being monarchist is news

Le Pen should've won unless you're an accelerationist, she was going to pull France out of NATO.

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Are…are you trolling me right now? Seriously how can you not see the obvious built-in system of control right there?

Tell me more.

Yeah lol

It's more shit than straight RCV but not as shit as burger system. At no point was it necessary for, say, melenchon to lose.

Eat my ass out dude

anyway it's 3 AM so I'll finish this tomorrow, I'll just condense my points for now
1. Monarchism in France isnt that much of an outlandish concept

2. It's divided between 3 lines, Legitimist, Orleans and Bonapartist whose influences permeate French politics to this day with Legitimists evolving into the Action Française and various other corporatist movements (but not fascist) as well as the christian right wing of the mainstream left, Orleans evolving into modern neoliberal/thatcherite thought. During the elction both Fillon and McRon were compared to Louis-Phillipe and Bonapartist heritage more or less falling in the Gaullist (DLF&friends) and Frontiste line of thought.

3. The VI. French Republic craeted by De Gaulle is already a sort of Republican monarchy. De Gaulle was a staunch Royalist in his youth and until ww2. He correctly identified the symptoms of the French parliamentary Republics. Controlled by fleeting parliamentary majorities and with the executive and judiciary subordinated to the parliament, France didnt have a chance to have a stable government or stable politics (really Maurras' essay "De Kiel a Tanger" cover this much better". He saw that to balance the parliamentary chaos that eventually led to the downfall of the Republic in 1940 a strong leader (read king) was needed. He synthesized legitimist (at the time) thought of a strong leader of an "organic" nation and orleanistz thought of republican monarchy to create the VI. Republic with it's very strong, 7 year term presidentship. This way he thought he could stop the chaotical and wobbly politics of the parliamentary era without having to fundamentaly change the system of government. This is why to an extent France is a monarchy already, just plagued by a symptom of mediocre leaders since De Gaulle took his leave.

4. A return to monarchy doesnt neccessarily equal a worse position for the proletariat. The Bonapartistes line of thought was very proto-socialist in nature with Napoleon III. being one of the most ardent critics of Louis-Phillipe's laissez-faire reign (read his pamphlet "On the pauperization of France"). While the Bonapartist pretendants are more or less out of the game nowadays this message of genuine populism, protection for workers, nationalization of vital industries and the idea that the state needs to take care of its citizens was taken over by gen. Moulin and the French far-right in the 1880's, French Corporatist Parties in the interwar era (Croix-de-Feu, Parti Social Français), De Gaulle in the afterwar with his economic policy of Dirigisme and is nowadays championed by Debout La France and the National Front.
The Legitimists, while absolutely antithetical to the idea of Populism have since the 1890's forged their own ideology spearheaded by Maurras, best descirbed as a synthesis of the pre-revolutionary guild system, syndicalism and "organic" democracy with a heavy dose of nationalism. While distinctly less open to socialist ideas (left-wing bonapartism was never a serious force, but did exist) it is definitely a system that aims to help the proletariat (of the French nation).
Orleanism is the ideology that morphed into the bourgeois center-right/liberal politics of the French republic post 1871 and is the least radical one of the 3 (at this point) as it's basically just a continuation of the VI. Republic but with a king instead of president.

5. An Orleanist restauration as favored by Macron wouldn't change a whole lot in France, as it would be a continuation of the present liberal democracy with a "citizen-king" at the head of it, who's job would be to unite the nation over party and class lines, kind of like the British monarchy but with less costly traditions and a more active role or more accurately EXACTLY like the Belgian monarchy. Really if you want to know what a Macronist restauration would look like, go check out Belgium.

6. Monarchism is all fun and games until someone breaks out the guillotine

I'm open to any and all questions.

I taught the 6th republic was created because the 5th republic didn't had the political powers to properly decolonize fances' colonies and that was creating political instabilities in mainland france
But also doesn't mean a better position
Didn't Napoleon III broken those left sounding promises once he got into power?
So bonapartism is the leftist branch of french monarchism? I still don't believe they're too left wing but I think once Trotsky described himself as a left wing bonapartist tho I'm not sure what did he meant with that.
Macaroni and Louis XX are banker, what do they win by making france just like belgium?

different person, but it definitely could be. An absolute monarch has no particular reason to care about what the bourgeoisie want, assuming that his power is secure. Don't like a particular industry? Dissolve it. Don't like a particular reactionary group? Expel them. Is one CEO or another particularly bad? Execute them. I can't say I wouldn't support a monarch ordering the execution of the CEO of whatever company it was that lied about the addictive properties of Oxycontin for example. Meanwhile in the US corporations literally buy congressmen.

should have voted for melenchon tbh

NRx finally made it then

Born to rule attitude

I had been hoping liberals would discover nrx and view it as an instruction manual for implementing The Cathedral (tm) by force, just to see how mad neo-reactionaries would get.

Yeah the inability to carry out proper decolonization was one of the symptoms of the weak parliamentary regime, but not the only one. Due to parliamentary bickering governments were extremly short-lasted fostering general instability and undermining France's international position. De Gaulle's VI. Republic essentially carried out the reforms Maurras proposed, but in a republican framework.

Never implied otherwise, but according to some people ITT a restauration would mean a return ro feudalist servage or something.

Well it's obviously easier to promise things than do them, but he still implemented a lot of social policies
And a few more reforms

Essentially, yes.

To quote McRon himself:
« La démocratie comporte toujours une forme d’incomplétude, car elle ne se suffit pas à elle-même. Il y a dans le processus démocratique et dans son fonctionnement un absent. Dans la politique française, cet absent est la figure du roi, dont je pense fondamentalement que le peuple français n’a pas voulu la mort. La Terreur a creusé un vide émotionnel, imaginaire, collectif : le roi n’est plus là ! On a essayé ensuite de réinvestir ce vide, d’y placer d’autres figures : ce sont les moments napoléonien et gaulliste, notamment. Le reste du temps, la démocratie française ne remplit pas l’espace. On le voit bien avec l’interrogation permanente sur la figure présidentielle, qui vaut depuis le départ du général de Gaulle. Après lui, la normalisation de la figure présidentielle a réinstallé un siège vide au coeur de la vie politique.«
They argue that the French miss a leader figure at the helm of the state and have tried to fill this void over time, with more or less success (Napoleons, De Gaulle)


This is the line of thought championed by the Action Française and Maurras. unlike fleeting parlamentarians always looking for new funding for their reelection, a king virtually can't be bought, since his position is assured. This assurance in his consistent rule allows him to judge fairly without the influence of lobbyists.

We wuz kangz n merde

Read Marx. The 18th Brumaire is one of his most brilliant works.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/

Dunno what to say, I'm not versed enough in french politics
Political systems exist to represent class interests, monarchies are meant to represent the interests of the feudal classes.
Welfare is not socialism!!
not left enough it seems.
The classic "its the people not the system" but this time they want to reform the system to make it specific to a person

love this scientifically disproved meme

Ahahahahah the people of one of the strongest republics in the world elected a monarchist as president hahahahah you can't make this shit up


Jesus Christ, he's 5 years odler than me but already president of a world power. As if I don't feel permanently depressed for the state of the left already.

Including monarchy, apparently.


Rich countries don't have civil wars, user.


That has always been an unstated goal of European neoliberals, to be honest. Dismantling the welfare state is a fundamental part of it.


Kings and gods… he has barely started and he's already giving giving off Louis XIV vibes.

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FUCKING CUCK. WTF I WANT GUILLOTINE THIS NEOREACTIONARY SCUM

So liberals hate the French Revolution now?

When did that happen?

Nah, french porkies are just trying to force that opinion down people's throats

To piggyback on this thread, yesterday apparently Stephen Fry said America should have a king, though I read this in the daily mail so I am skeptical.

I know American """""Democracy""""" is bad but jesus christ, this is the country THAT HAS A DAY DEDICATED TO BTFO'ING KING GEORGE THE 3RD.

Also I love his reasoning that it protects against tyrants even though the greatest tyrants of history were fucking kings.

Why do political liberals have a rose-tinted and almost fethististic view of monarchy?

But wasn't the French Revolution, like their Big Revolution, when Porky Seized Power from the King.

Ya but things change, the bourgeoisie now sees itself being more like the aristocracy of old then that of a struggling and oppressed class. It's decaying in a grand style much like the aristocracy of the past, so it has developed a curious sympathy for them. This isn't exactly a new trend but I think it is on the increase.

They still can have persecution complexes

Liberals hate anything that entails even mild violence.

Isn't the whole point of liberalism is to get rid of kings and aristocracy?

Tbh I think Rosseua is spinning in his grave somewhere

How is a monarch who holds his office by divine right substantially different from comrade Stalin holding his office in accordance with the dialectical progression of history, in fulfillment of the will of the proletariat as expressed through the Communist Party?

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We'll see

If Macron puts some faggot as King of France i'm gonna travel to Paris to join some anarcho fags and guillotine his ass

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In all seriousness, this is going nowhere. It ain't like the 80 year old french republic will go trough the constitutional changes required to change from a semi-presidential system of government to a monarchic parliamentary system. Even if it was easy to change systems, it wouldn't be an unpopular, lesser of two evils politician to convince the french people that such change would be beneficial.

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Realistically if tomorrow I shot to macron, merkel and trump it would be useful to the people, the left and the revolution?

what on earth is he talking about

No it wouldn't be helpful but it'd sure as hell feel cathartic.

no, but maybe you could become some propaganda of the deed hero.

Ohhh… What can I do violently that helps the revolution? if I pull a guy fawkes

Is this a paid advertisement trying to pass as a legit interview, or is this a right wing site sucking some random CEO's dick for being a rich douchebag? Either way this is beyond pathetic.

read lenin's dual power, fam.

we'll use violence when it's time.

It's a joke that Macron takes seriously, which is a problem.

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Holy Shit. I thought this was a joke at first, but the person reporting this is the Political Editor at SkyNews. This is one of the finest minds at G20, This is the person /r/neoliberal worships, spouting the "but global capitalism made iphones" line like a 12 year-old libertarian on 4chan. This really beggars belief. I mean, this must be a joke, right? He has to at least know it's bullshit, and is just cynically repeating it in hopes someone else will buy it, right? Is he really this retarded? Or is it… P U R E I D E O L O G Y

Hmmm

Not quite. People still vote tactically in anticipation of the runoff election. It's the same reason people vote for the likely to win candidate in Democrat and Republican primaries. Runoff elections are still quite inferior to singular voting systems like approval and score voting.

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I have the opposite of an erection now

Jimmy Dore just did a segment on porkies telling each other at a board meeting that America has the best health care system in the world. When you lie often enough you'll start to believe the lie yourself.

Nice try, FBI

didn't de gaul pull france out of nato too?
its not like that weakend imperialism
(france still kept fucking around in nato)

This is an interesting hypothetical question. A big part of what you're asking is "How much does a chief executive actually matter?"
In France, the answer is "a lot". French Presidents have a lot of power, Macron got in entirely do to his personal Charisma and Hamon's vote splitting. If he were to die, things might actually change in France.
As for the US, Trump doesn't matter, he's just an easy-to-hate figurehead propped up to take blame while Congress and the Pentagon/CIA check off porky's domestic and foreign policy wishlists. Just as Obama continued and expanded George W's wars, spying, deregulation, privatization, and mergers, so will Trump's replacement, but with a more dignified and less vulgar affect.
I know little of German politics, but I get the sense that Merkel's replacement would be another interchangeable neoliberal technocrat backed by global finance.
If killed, all three would be made martyrs, Trump by his fanatical fanbase, and Macron/Merkel by their fellow tools in mass media. Macron or Merkel's death would be played hard for the "anyone who questions the neoliberal status quo is a dangerous criminal terrorist assassin who hates democracy" angle. Trump's death would be played similarly by the media, but with more of a "we need to stop this dangerous political violence by coming together on common ground and compromise", rhetoric that would likely win out after retaliatory violence from right wing extremists creates a sufficiently fearful climate. Any of their deaths would be used as an excuse for further surveillance, secrecy, and erosion of liberty, making a real revolution that much harder.

"b-but he was supposed to be /ourgy/"

The French (actual) left knew the truth about Macron from the start.

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That Graffiti is BS. Le Pen is done.

it doesn't matter, you're still gonna see her in 2022 and everyone's gonna vote against her. they should include le pen and the FN in the french constitution, it's so ingrained in their system.

Got any of his works in English?

DeBenoist-Soral regime when?>>1834911
Don't forget about the Legitamist Montagne Blanche. The monarchy thread had some info from a Christian Bouchet speech but not much else so do you have info?

Actually it was a fucking neoliberal coup that forced DeGaulle out.
institutenr.org/2016/11/28/understand-and-fight-the-advent-of-neo-capitalism-with-michel-clouscard-kevin-limpertinent-victoire-le-comptoir-february-21st-2015/

Neoliberal bump.

twitter.com/joeprince___/status/884463860736028672

"public-private partnerships" bleggh, I'm surprised it took me so long to get sick of hearing this buzzword euphemism for the government funneling money to prop up some business' profits