Outcasts and /r9k/ types

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starving outside. nobody needs sociopaths only those who want spooked killers killing for them, used just as pawns.

actually people like like Dylan, Roof, etc are the first ones who want to become an authority, a heriarch, masters, etc. They're the cancer of this world.

/r9k/ nerds aren't sociopaths, they'd climb the social hierarchy and have no woman troubles if they were.

See every SV progressive company.

their whole view of individuals is totally biased, it's all spooks, all a religion.

they're dumbasses, they need to read books.

Are you reading the post I made in the other timeline? I didn't say they had healthy worldviews.

All jokes aside, and realistically speaking, how would somebody like Randy Stair would of been felt with under communism? I can't see any mode of production, or type of society fixing severe fucking delusion, that effects somebody's world view to the core? With Elliot Rodger state sponsored GFs actually probably would of worked, but there are some I feel that cannot be helped, only turned away into the cold Norwegian night.

They usually want to belong, but they get stuck in a rut of making villains out of all of their peers because they resent some bad experiences they've had with other kids.

It's pretty rough though tbh, kids are little shits that you can't really control. Socialization is a process throughout childhood, and most kids even into their teenage years really don't understand how their actions might be effecting others. They can understand they're hurting people, but they can also rationalize it by the social power they might accrue from dominating weaker or more awkward kids. These same people as adults, once they become just as powerless and atomized as the rest of us, suddenly get basic empathy and consider that behavior immature.

I would bet you that, given a return to some significant power in the wider space of adult life (like being in upper management, politics or a business owner) they'd return to being near sociopathic little shits. Power can make you rationalize a lot of terrible behavior.

You know, having a gf is not the end all solution to a man's problems. Most outcasts just want to get laid a little by females who want to get laid by them and hang out with a couple of dudebros they like and that like them. A relationship is much more of a trade or transaction than sleeping around. Historically, people would form a relationship and then immediately form a family. "Relationships" remove the procreational component of creating a family and leave us with two people feeling incomplete in a two way relationship and then blaming it onto each other's faults for not feeling fulfilled. Modern day relationships are a turbocapitalist abortion of an already well working and well established system.

They will be given the mental health treatment they need, or ignored.

Man, you're sure fucking stupid.

It's easy. We give him state sponsored murder victims.

Outcasts just need to get their cummies off tbh

Klebold and Harris were normalfags.

A normalfag would have enough self-awareness not to wear a fucking trenchcoat

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Barter, if you really believe money would completly disappear in any form.

Filthy cyborg halfbreed here. From what I can tell of my robot brethren, they and the community would probably be best served if they were given jobs wherein they didn't interact with the public much, such as park ranger or some kind of data entry thing. Also maybe some kind of optional socialization therapy with a preferably-radically different mode of operation than 90% of the self-help and cult-y group crap currently in use.

Also this makes me want to write a Shadowrun9k setting

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat

Lumpenproletariat is a term that was originally coined by Karl Marx to describe the layer of the working class that is unlikely ever to achieve class consciousness and is therefore lost to socially useful production, of no use to the revolutionary struggle, and perhaps even an impediment to the realization of a classless society.[1] The word is derived from the German word Lumpenproletarier, "Lumpen" literally meaning "miscreant" as well as "rag". The Marxist Internet Archive writes that "[lumpenproletariat] identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers" which include "beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements."[2]

In The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (1852), Marx gives this description of the lumpenproletariat:

Alongside decayed roués with dubious means of subsistence and of dubious origin, alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie, were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, escaped galley slaves, swindlers, mountebanks, lazzaroni, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, maquereaux [pimps], brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, ragpickers, knife grinders, tinkers, beggars—in short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French call la bohème.[3]

According to Marx, the lumpenproletariat had no special motive for participating in revolution, and might in fact have an interest in preserving the current class structure, because the members of the lumpenproletariat usually depend on the bourgeoisie and the aristocracy for their day-to-day existence. In that sense, Marx saw the lumpenproletariat as a counter-revolutionary force

Leon Trotsky elaborated this view, perceiving the lumpenproletariat as especially vulnerable to reactionary thought. In his collection of essays Fascism: What it is and how to fight it, he describes Benito Mussolini's capture of power: "Through the fascist agency, capitalism sets in motion the masses of the crazed petty bourgeoisie and the bands of declassed and demoralized lumpenproletariat – all the countless human beings whom finance capital itself has brought to desperation and frenzy".[18]

Marx's definition has influenced contemporary sociologists, who are concerned with many of the marginalized elements of society characterized by Marx under this label. Marxian and even some non-Marxist sociologists now use the term to refer to those they see as the "victims" of modern society, who exist outside the wage-labor system, such as beggars, or people who make their living through disreputable means: prostitutes and pimps, swindlers, carnies, drug dealers, bootleggers, and bookmakers, but depend on the formal economy for their day-to-day existence.

Elliot Rodger's relationship to any girl would probably be abusive. His problems with women were caused by an already existing mental problem. Having women would not make it go away. It would simply cause it to manifest in some other way.

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Polite reminder that they aren't a hivemind/wireless network. Robotism is like a prison or hospital in that people can be there for a variety of different reasons, sometimes for being abusive assholes and sometimes just some poor bastards the dice fell poorly for in some way or other. I agree that a lot of cases could have been prevented with proper upbringing and with living in a generally less-fucked-up system, but very few things in life as big and complicated as that have a silver bullet.

No. But you're right that an egalitarian system would lead to fewer outcasts.

this.

Nihilist doesn't mean you hate everything and are edgy, it means you are indifferent.

Chads, actually.

jejejej

u wot m8?

Gee I wonder who could be behind this post?

Lock them up until a trained psychologist confirms they are no longer a threat to society and have given up their manchild hobbies.

I've seen psychologists lock away perfectly healthy people. I've seen psychologists letting the most horrendeous psychopaths get away with everything.
THE THINGS I'VE SEEN, MAN

Please don't drag the rat people into this.

We incarcerate them in solitary confinement for life only allowing them 2 hours exercise in a small cage, and an optional 40 minute bible study done via video conferencing 2 times a week if they have a good enough monthly disciplinary record, because that's how things need to be fucking run in this fucking country.

Amen brother. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!

When posting on imageboards, sure. When they're face to face with a woman IRL though?

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!

I got bad news for ya, libertyfag…

hurr just give up your virginity to a hambeast hurr

you're gay and a homosex

They're the ones who made trenchcoats a big no no. They were never cool, but there wasn't a huge stigma about them before columbine.

Look at this fedora being salty over others ruining trenchcoats for him

They'll likely be fucked under communism as long as communism maintains some commitment towards liberation. People with mediocre social skills aren't very enjoyable to be around, so people avoid them. Under "stateless" systems with direct democracy, where social butterflies network so they can assign shitty work in committee meetings and where taking anything means directly depriving somebody else of it, they will probably be mistreated and suicidally miserable.

When people are free of everything they're free also of you. /r9k/ types most benefit from inflexible social constructionism and clearly defined social roles. Guys on wizchan aren't miserable because of capitalism, they're miserable because of middle school.

And communism should, IMO, make better middle-schools, and should also have compassionate social programs made available to people like this also later in life.

Communist society should also actively work against the mistreatment of (its) people.

Spotted the virgin. Also, that's clearly not the point and you know it.

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Slow down there bud, Communism won't be instituted in at least another 100, 200 years from now. Don't get ahead of yourself.

I was one seventeen years ago

cmon dude do your reasearch. neither of them were even outcasts, they had a good amount of friends each. eric was a straight up sociopath and dylan was gullible and depressed and pretty much just went along w/ eric's bullshit.

i assure you if they had low standards most of them would be fucking.

do it though

Lumpenproletariat egoist revolution now!

Do you think anybody under capitalism wants bullying in middle schools? Communism will probably not produce kinder people or more thoughtful administrators. I'm not sure if it will spit out an army of social workers who will try to build community, either. Alienation and social isolation are barely discussed at a public level now, and most people hardly know or care about it. I really don't think that will change.

Spotted the degenerate. Two can play this game.

Males are meant to be disposable.
Women are the selectors. They have a handful of eggs and each man produces billions of sperm.
The majority of men would fuck off and die in wars or other dangerous occupations in the past, leaving the women to get fucked by the remainder.

The social institution of "marriage" and stigma of extramarital sex enforce pair-bonding behavior instead of humans' natural tournament behavior and built civilization by ensuring men's reproductive success in exchange for his productivity.

The Left always aims to tear all that down. Okay, fine, but replace it with what? Women don't negotiate on these points and are completely voracious when it comes to reproductive control.

"Meant to be disposable" by whom? Divining nature has always been fraught and parlous, with ideas about what is natural ever shifting. Supposing it were even true, in the end, that "men were meant to be disposable," that tells us nothing about what we should do or how a society ought to be structured.

Sex functions between individuals at the conscious level, not as some sort of video game where a dozen men's sperm billions randomly seek out a limited supply of eggs.

We can also point to "naturally" cooperative behavior. It's merely framing in such a way as to emphasize selfishness.

There's no female union that can negotiate on any points whatsoever because "women," as a group, isn't a coherent political entity.

This only makes sense from the perspective of an adult virgin whose entire life is centered around resenting the lack of pussy they get.

Protip: conservative social norms don't even accomplish what they claim to, whether or not they are desirable. It's just a way for the ruling class (whom have always done whatever the fuck they want, even before secularism) to control the lives of the rest of society.

Squealer did literally nothing wrong

Was he /ourguy/?
Wish he shoot that obnoxious black power poet/teacher that bullied him

Just fucking nuke America, the country is so fucking backwards that breeds this kind of idiots and them claims to be concerned about them.

Shit wouldn't change for /r9k/ at all. In communal societies you need connections if you want some degree of power and have a say in things, so robots would always be at the receiving end if they didn't (ab)use the system, similar to the rampant corruption in Yugoslavia where it was your best interest to be best friends with your children's teachers.

And he would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling kids and their talking dog.

By far the best post ITT.

How? Do you even know what that means? Chads =! alpha. If that were the case, they'd act differently.

In my experience most robots just don't try with women. I made a poll on /r9k/ asking how many women they'd asked out, and by far the most common answer was 0. Maybe one in ten people had a number higher than 3.

wtf I love capitalism now
No, seriously, I actually love capitalism now. Fuck communities, local politics, and meetings and priggish old Mrs. McMurtrie's noseyness determining who gets what. Just take my money and give me my shit.

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well color me surprised

That all becomes a problem with the eventual realization of a stateless society. Early ML state capitalism won't necessarily suffer from the hyper-political social issues.

Back when it was actually full of outcasts, it was mostly people without friends. They probably didn't know anybody well enough to get past shyness or even to form a relationship in which somebody stands out.

I kekked.

Look man, I sympathize with them because I'm in the same place, and ultimately, in this day and age, them and us are just two different flavors of outcast. But we have this thread every damn day.

Roasties should be killed tbqhwy fam.

Genetic therapy and social reconditioning will help guys get over their brain problems.

people are shit.

As a man If you aren't a 5+ in 2017 you simply don't belong anywhere unless your a masochist who enjoys being bullied by coworkers

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wtf i love hi-points now

Daily reminder that they weren't bullied at all. They were just psychotic chads.

Robots often have really misguided and fucked up ideas about other people, relationships, happiness etc. that might have been drilled into them by media, parents, religion (some of the more controlling ones), etc.

I think social education, getting out of the house, into more meaningful work and probably getting laid would fix the types who are capable of contentment and at the very least have some desire to change and greatly benefit them.

The truly misanthropic miserable and psychotic ones who feed off their own negativity, that's a more difficult question.

Mental health advances will almost certainly help a lot.

There will still be losers though. Almost definitely. As long as people interact with one another for some reason, or for some goods provided (laughter, insight, concern, sex), some people will be better at providing social goods than others. Any attempt to make things otherwise is dystopian. There are reasons you like people and reasons you want to hang out with them, and there will always be relatively ugly, obnoxious, and unfunny people. Unless you engage in the kind of biological meddling which can nullify everything, they will always feel at least a little bit bad about it. Whether or not they're grossly mistreated by others is much more dependent on circumstances and personalities.

All of this is a big reason I find monogamy attractive (or at least some sort of buddy system). Everybody ought to have somebody.

Eliminating the shut in cases is probably the important part, though.

Wait… W-What? You actually just simply described their current situation. Also,

Corrected, it would be something like this,

Fuck. I'm not used to namefagging and I keep putting my gamer tag in the email field by accident.

Their current situation is not :
At least, probably not. There are some employment positions that may resemble the first part (particularly a few government related ones), but the latter is way too detached to be psychologically affecting.

Maybe to an extent, but a lot of wizards just drop out of capitalist production entirely, leeching off their parents until they commit suicide. Capitalism has some negative effects on wizards, certainly (probably a lot compared to feudalism), but communism likely isn't a straight upgrade for them. Socialism tends to most benefit low conscientiousness social networking types, and indeed such types are communists more frequently than most.

You didn't really make any attempt to address the liberation bit, either.

There are a shitload of robots who cannot join the capitalist system because of their lack of social resources. They have no life because they have no capital.

What are you referring to by social resources? Do you mean group support or connections?

It's certainly true that a lot of robots gave up on employment after trying for a while and coming off terribly in each interview.

I've honestly started to hate this board and the left in general because of the way it treats people American society doesn't like. It's full of fucking redditor scum. From the unironic use of STEMlord as a negative term to the hatred for free speech to the shrieking, unreasoning, groundless ephebophobic hysteria, there just isn't a damn thing worth saving in it. /r9k/ types would be far better served by forming their own movement.

such a movement would be impossible as it would have no material basis, it's literally a bunch of soon-to-be declassed PBs drowning in anomie and resentment, their inevitable (lumpen)proletarization removes any possibility for organization

There's ample material basis for such a movement.

After the way they've been treated, why shouldn't they be this way? They have every right to hate the normalfags who've made their lives miserable. Marx was wrong. The potential for real change is locked up in them, not in the proles who've been complicit in the rulers' tyranny because they go on every damn witch hunt they're told to on account of being virtue signaling retards. Go to the thread about Mark Ames and Matt Taibbi if you want to see people like that. The left is full of them. A socialist society run by people like this will be just as bad as anything capitalism has ever done. If the right measures are taken, it's possible to create a robot/cyborg movement, destroy the normalfags and create a truly just and good world.

What is the material basis? They will either have to abandon their current lifestyles once their support networks disappear or starve to death. There is literally no social movement, historically or presently, based on hermits and recluses. It's just a resentful fantasy based on petit bourgeois ideology that will necessarily disappear.

I'd prefer not to discuss the logistics of how such a movement will operate here. The left is full of self-righteous authoritarians, and I don't want people like that to understand our strategy. Besides, I could just as easily question how the left expects to do anything when the left is at a massive resource disadvantage against the capitalists.

That completely depends on their reason for being neet in the first place. For most failed normies I'm sure that's true. For the more mentally ill ones like myself not so much. I'm literally at the point where I would fuck a dude and I'm not even gay.

I'm probably one of the longest running neets on the internet.
By far the biggest reason I still live like this is because right now under Capitalism the only jobs I'm capable of getting are mentally hellish and pay less than the price of a one bedroom apartment and insurance. I guarantee you under Communism I would not choose to live with my proto-fascist father.

On top of that under Communism I would actually have healthcare. I don't know exactly what is wrong with me since I haven't seen a doctor in over a decade but I have all of the negative symptoms of schizophrenia but no hallucinations, delusions or voices at all. livingwithschizophreniauk.org/advice-sheets/negative-symptoms-understanding/