Reminder that the USSR was imperialist...

It's not that he "didn't know." It's that you're using the quote to be sloppy with the term's use so that anything can become "imperialism." "Imperialism" become a general, ahistorical label which he didn't intend at all.

Not at all, see and
This clearly constitutes what Lenin meant by imperialism

Has anyone even been banned for "imperialism" since the event

Yeah quite consistently actually. See 8ch.net/rojava/res/116.html

This part is important. Was the USSR ruled by finance capital? Again, you're using the quotation in a sloppy, ahistorical way.

Considering that they had markets, maintained the commodity formed and had a currency that traded on open markets I would say so

Yes, check tha ban log or >>>/rojava/
We've also shed net 200 IPs.

What makes you say that? It says we have 1000 active users at the moment

If imperialism is so arbitrarily narrow in its definition that wealth extraction and clear economic dominance is okay as long as it's not market oriented, then imperialism is clearly a meaningless term

Those traits don't by themselves imply "finance capital." That requires specifically:

It wasn't "imperialist" due to the nonexistence of finance capital in the USSR.

Just because the Bank, Industry etc is all owned by one entity, i.e. the state, does not mean that the same basic function is not being carried out. Gosbank essentially served the purpose outlined in the first paragraph

Who said it's "okay"? Not every injustice is imperialism.

It was created to denote that form of capitalism specifically, not as a transhistorical term.

The term's meaningless if it can be used more or less accurately for every war in history. Genghis Khan wasn't an imperialist either, but it's not as if I'm going to defend his actions as morally right.

We were hitting 1200+ before. If r/socialism drama should have taught us anything it's that retarded hotpockets will kill a board.

Exactly. Even now China taking over parts of Africa is dismissed as not imperialist with some impressive mental gymnastics.

And you fags give anarchists shit for their definition of state.

Holy shit I hadn't even noticed. I guess BO doesn't really care about the board anymore

It depends on whether you think the Communist Party was a true workers' party or bourgeois. I'm not going to argue either way, but this is different from what you were arguing before (i.e. that the USSR's actions in themselves constituted "imperialism").

"Empire" does not necessarily mean "imperialist," nor does the lack of the word "empire" in the country's name mean a country is not imperialist. "Imperialism" does not mean "waging wars of aggression" or "conquering things."

I think it's pretty absurd to think that such a system is not a capitalist one given the facts of the matter, and to say that they were not ruled by finance capital despite having all the hallmarks of it is ridiculous, and it's ridiculous to also assert with this in mind that their actions can be considered anything else but imperialist. Merely because they called themselves communists does not erase any of this.

That's how BO feels too, it seems. A couple of responses left in other threads akin to this one were deleted. BO also decided that a thread about shitting on individual American soldiers was not idpol even as the thread was filled with responses saying Russian soldiers were good and moral and victims of war and American soldiers were literal babbykillers. BO is a dipshit with massive hate for Americans as individuals instead of the American state.

Sad tbh. I wish he would just go back to being on the periphery of the board.

And if "imperialism" does not actually describe "wealth extraction and clear economic dominance" as the dictionary would suggest, and "imperialism" is so narrow it can't apply to the USSR or China doing or attempting the same wealth extraction and clear economic dominance over smaller states as the US is doing, then it is too narrow to be useful.

Careful comrade, you're gonna get banned with that sort of talk

I think the only solution is starting to seem like him stepping down or simply all of us migrating somewhere else. Holla Forums was superior to Holla Forums because we didn't even ban actual Nazis. That's how people got to reading shit and actually thinking through their arguments. When you make certain topics off-limit you close off the ability to reason why your theory is actually right and go into pure ideology where x shall not be questioned. With this, it's only a matter of time before you get banned for not being a feminist, or for not believing all kids of retarded shit because why would you oppose feminism or black nationalism? Are you alt-right? And so on, and so on.

Yeah but both of those options seem pretty unrealistic tbh. How would we even coordinate an exodus? I have a feeling that what's more then likely to happen is a slow death for leftypol

Simple, we get youtubers we all watch to leave with us. Some of them are aware of the drama unfolding.

And how is that working out so far? I haven't seen any of them comment on it so far

I'm not sure why you'd consult a dictionary for that when we're talking about how a word is used in Marxism, not generally and without any theory behind it.

It has been in the past and people on the left continue to use it in the same sense I mentioned it, so it's a theoretically useful construct for the left.

I think we will soon. This cannot last forever.

The funny thing is that Hoxha was actually one of the retards saying the USSR was imperialist. It's because he was so mad at the revisionists.

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Funny you mention this actually.
youtube.com/watch?v=vtguLo_DwFg

fixed version

We're talking about how a word is used in Marxism-Leninism. I consult a dictionary because I'm not a ML and because it seems the ML revision of "imperialism" somehow doesn't apply to the resource extraction and economic dominance of powers outside the American-Euro sphere.

And as we have seen in this thread and others, such usage can not explain why the USSR wasn't or why China isn't imperialist.

You're a fucking leftcom. The dictionary doesn't agree with your retard-tier definitions of things either.

No, but I've probably read more Marx than you.

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imperialism
It actually does.

STOP MINIMALIZING IMPERIALISM RIGHT THIS SECOND REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Man you Rojava fags are going to feel pretty silly when the US withdraws all support for your idpol paradise in a couple of years.

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