Why does Holla Forums write off Noam Chomsky so quickly?

why does Holla Forums write off Noam Chomsky so quickly?

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He is the quintessential anarcho-liberal.

He did literally nothing in his life.

He's entry level. He's great for a lot of things but you're not very likely to run into a completely new idea from him.

He's fucking awesome at owning libertarians and neocons though

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hes a utopian anarchist STEMlord who gets butthurt whenever anyone does real theory and thinks anything more than voting for dems is impractical

No he doesn't. Where does he say this?

This part is definitely not true. He's really not bad, it's just that if you're already a leftist there shouldn't be anything new you're learning from him. He's still among the best people to get liberal friends introduced to leftist ideas.

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I will accept the rest of your statement, though. He needs to re-read Kropotkin and reassess extant material conditions, ditto for Graeber.

Ok fair enough im just bitter because I soured on him after loving him. I do think he does too much to appeal to liberals but yall are right that his actual opinions are genuinely radical and he is a very good gateway.

as someone from a conservative area hes pretty much the best gateway for burgers to any sort of leftism

he's not edgy enough, you can't construe anything he says into nazbol stuff for example

It's hard to make "Vote Hillary" into a nazbol meme I agree.

What he does generally isn't radical at all, but he's still very important for keeping alive the seed of what can be radical movements. I would have never discovered anarcho-syndicalism (and anarchist communization afterwards) if it weren't for his videos.

Pretty much. He explains it so well! If you want to get people to move left, go to Chomsky's Philosophy, find some videos on ansyn, and share them. Better yet, watch them yourselves and use the basic arguments with simple language.
Too often, we get so caught up in theory that we can't explain our basic ideas to people. I thought of a way to explain anarcho-communism in general: replace firms with free associations of producers, replace government with a network of face-to-face assemblies, and replace production for exchange with production for use.

iirc it was engels that appropriated it

he was a professor of linguistics for like a billion years

he was arrested multiple times for protesting Vietnam

I can tell you're American because only someone who has lived under the American regime would think this.

no matter what you think about this guy, you have to find it amusing that in his lifetime he has seen entire movements. countries, and ideologies grow and die, pretty much all of his contemporaries are dead now

yeah didn't he like have a lot of really important work in the field of linguistics that not only redefined the field in a lot of ways and his ideas can even be applied to CS?

Here is something I've seen from Chomsky just a week ago, a perfect and digestible critique of Niebuhr. Chomsky is 2007, Obama is 2009.

He had a spat with Zizek and Zizek is a meme.
This is the only reason. I don't care what anyone else has said so far. This is why.

He was 11 when Hitler invaded Poland…

That doesn't do the Chomsky Hierarchy justice tbqh. "A linguist? they come up with fancy word orders, right? why does that matter?". His hierarchy is one of the most influential concepts today in both computer science and cognitive science (of which he's considered the founder). Far from doing nothing, he changed the entire world.

Both of them did, not that there's anything wrong with it. I haven't read Engels's "Socialism: Scientific And Utopian". Does it call Proudhon utopian?

This is true to an extent. Holla Forums memes anyone who meets a set of criteria - attacks idpol, is pro-socialism, does not advocate praxis which bends over to liberal reformism. Bonus points if there's lots of theory material to masturbate over to the point of chafing (which is much better than not reading at all, but you get what I mean). If Chomsky met all of these like Zizek, he would be furiously meme'd like Zizek.

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hahahahahaha oh my fucking god this is just beautiful

This is the laziest strawman used by "prolier than though" idiots who can't be bothered to come up with any real criticisms of some other leftist or leftist group

here's a screenshot, it's so good I had to do it

fucking brutal

this is very persistent, fingers in the ears, samefaggery

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you mean non-empirical pseudoscientific nonsense?

Because we all #teamZizek here, fam.

I'm not.

Neither am I. Zizek is a continental pseudo-intellectual and a meme.

Because like Zizek he advocates for voting for socdems but unlike Zizek he doesn't make jokes about cutting off balls.

some of you ITT are being very undialectical

Because he is too liberal, he supported Kerensky and called the Bolsheviks counter-revolutionary for the storming of the Winter Palace.

Not even voting for socdems, voting for liberals.

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He's too old and rambley.

No, he called the Bolsheviks counter-revolutionary for destroying the soviets and workers councils and establishing state capitalism

Kerensky destroyed the soviets, that was the entire reason July Days happened.

Ok I'll correct my post, he doesn't think the bolsheviks are counter-revolutionary for destroying the workers councils and soviets, but for destroying the workers councils and putting the soviets under state control, therefore superseding workers control over the MoP

chomsky.info/1986____/

That is CIA propaganda, the armed body of the Bolsheviks was the soviets, this is why they were caught unprepared by the civil-war as there was no armed body behind the Bolshviks, all they did was convenience the masses seize power.

Is Chomsky an imperialist?

But wait, wasn't the Bolsheviks the armed body of the Mensheviks?

No

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Chomsky is a useful idiot, he accepts everything bad said about the USSR without giving any context yet apologizes for capitalism to the extent he objects to revolution and only supports reforms.

Nope, they were two different parties. The Bolsheviks was a collection of those that wanted revolution while the Mensheviks were reformers.

Michael Parenti and Marx Steel is far better then Comsky and is how I was introduced to Marxism.

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This. It really bothers me how Anarchists refuse to give proper theory on how their society would work. They're so against details that what will end up resulting is rule by might due to lack of proper framework.

t. can't even be bothered to read his wikipedia page
Chomsky has said many times in his writing that the USSR treated its client states better than the US and that the USSR's foreign policy was less imperialistic than America's. There's a reason why liberals and republicans can't stand the guy.

You are mistaken friend, the Bolsheviks were the armed wing of the Mensheviks, it's just that the Mensheviks didn't like them at all.

Marxists stop reading into Chomsky the second they learn he is anti-Lenin that he is against the October Revolution.

This is meaningless semantics, for all practical purposes the Bolsheviks were a party onto themselves, also the Bolsheviks themselves didn't have arms. Trotsky had to ask the Petrograd Soviet for arms and men.

His work is indispensable to essentially all modern compiler design.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy

And we're supposed to believe the soviets crushed themselves and broke their own worker's strikes?

And we're supposed to believe the soviets crushed themselves and broke their own worker's strikes? And instituted their own capitalist "transition period" and set up their own police state?

Because for as many shitty posts as this board gets, we've still read a decent amount of theory and most of the things Chomsky presents aren't exactly groundbreaking.

Still, for a burger, especially younger who hasn't read shit, he's a great asset.

He's a multi-millionaire?!

Leftypol summed up in three posts?
"Let's be wrong and irrelevant together!"
It's like a small town church in here tonight.

But even sniffles-snorts-spits agrees that capitalism is a fact not be ignored but to be accepted.
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