What should be done with all those detestable individuals that reside on fringes of our society? All the basement dwellers, permavirgins, and pedos. What will be done with them? Do you really believe mental health treatment can help them beyond a superficial level? Are they simply products of capitalism?
If they are an inherent result of currently existing social structures, shouldn't we critique those structures instead of attempting to normalize everyone into a society like that?
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Bad choice of words. If you read the rest of my post you'll see I'm actually sympathetic to them
As one of those outcast shut in types yes and go fuck yourself.
I was under the impression we were all here because we agree on that in some form or another.
They'll be left alone or given treatment for their mental health issues. Nothing else is needed.
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I haven't gotten that impression at all. Leftism doesn't really have anything to say about social outcasts (not economic outcasts).
Well it does have a lot to do with destroying existing social structures.
Ignore these other people who got mad triggered, I get your point myself.
While I am disgusted as well with the rhetorics such as "we need to get rid of degenerates" and shit like that, especially because this is how all totalitarian assholes regardless of being left or right speak of, I really have to say that the "undesirables" are most part just a product of the society itself. I think there has been projects even where some photographers tried to take homeless people, give them a haircut/good clothes and picture them, and they really do look like regular people afterwards.
For example, I have never really been a NEET. I have always been in either school or work and never had a period of just staying on some sort of welfare, but I don't really hate people who receive welfare and such, because welfare recipents are not the reason why economy is strained, but rather economy is affected by rich people pulling tricks and manipulating with assets on a much higher level. Some rich fuck trying to bail out a failing company or bank is much more harmful to economy than some chan-posting neet.
Other than that, in the long term I always tend to advise people to make something of themselves and not to stay on neetbux forever, mainly because it's a sad existance they won't probably enjoy. There are good motivational videos for people in such situations which I can recommend.
Now, if by "fringes of society" you mean people like alcoholics, druggies, pedophiles etc. then those kind of fringes are mostly just products of society itself indeed, I wouldn't worry too much about that. Just that NEETs are interesting topic since they make themselves especially visible on the internet unlike the pedophiles or addicts of some kind.
Honestly, if you hate work, it's pretty nice. I'm going on around five, six years of it now.
I've seen a few posters here hold harsh views toward societal outcasts and other NEET types. They seem to believe that such people don't deserve to be part of a socialist society due to their relative lack of productivity.
I guess it depends on if you believe that capitalist society has made them emotionally unstable, of if you think they're just lazy/hedonistic.
Then say bye bye to any hope of change. All resistance against the system in the modern era has been from the most alienated and outcast segments of society. Normies just conform to and perpetuate the system.
I never truly understood robots and what frustrates them, that's probably because I've been always hanging around with truNEETs who sit on autismbux provided by the government, piss in the bottles and are proud of the fact they masturbate to nukige rather than fucking 3D. They are admirable in a way, although I realize I could never force myself to join them.
They wish desperately to become normies. The culture of robots is a culture of aggressive envy.
I don't necessarily hate work, I think it gives people meaning to exist sometimes and it's essential to society for people to work in one way or the other. It's funny how I know some NEET folks who are on the alt right and live on patreon money to preach on youtube how much they hate "degenerates" or whatever. My point really is that it doesn't matter if you are NEET or not, it matters what is your prefered form of activity. Going NEET to watch netflix and fap all day is quite sad, but if you are NEET and doing activism for a good cause is a net gain for the society, especially since you have the free time, and ESPECIALLY when you are not depressed about the whole thing, but optimistic about how you can use your circumstances to do community organizing, activism, and all that other good stuff.
Those are just classcucked puritans who fetishize work. Funny thing is they secretly hate work, and think that everyone else needs to eat shit like them.
I don't know about you but I'm from the US. What I'm saying is capitalism is directly responsible for the fuck ups or basement dwellers and neets that the OP was complaining about. The thing about capitalism is leftism basically can't exist in a capitalistic system thus destroy capitalism, and do it right you get leftism, then you get peace and happiness. You get peace and happiness the fuck ups die off or naturally sort themselves out.
Fuck off with your normie condescension.
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I hate work, and by work I mean employment.
I think I should make that distinction in what I meant, I don't hate work, I work myself, I just don't get paid for it and it's not work that people other than me often care about. So I generally agree with your point, but on a few things I feel I need to disagree with like, in capitalism I recognize the necessity of anti-capitalist action and why it's bad to just watch netflix and give in to apathy but, post-capitalism, or if you take watching netflix and fapping all day in a vacuum, I don't see what's actually sad about that.
This attempt might've been half-baked, but he seems genuinely sympathetic, so that's not a reason to assume he's condescending.
No, I don't think he's sympathetic at all. And when his whole post is all about casting judgement on others (negatively), it's pretty condescending. Especially when he literally has nothing to offer.
If you are going to be edgy like that, then we can't have a discussion.
Sad thing is that just watching netflix and fapping all day is good for odd days in a month or week, but I don't think that it leads to anything purposeful. You use the an-nil flag for example, and perhaps should strive for using all that free time for community organizing, activism and supporting your local left-wing movements, especially given all that free time you have that "normies" don't, you can be a real asset, why waste it on mere entertainment?
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You were never interested in one anyway.
Is it normal for Holla Forums to be this fucking paranoid? Because if that is a standard, I'll be better off just going to 4/pol/ and trolling the retards over there instead of trying to have a discussion in here.
I think that neets, robots and generally asocial or antisocial people are a consequence of living in cities were people don't get involved naturally on a community, so they fail to get involved.
It also gets old pretty fast to live in a place were you can't do shit without some sort of permission from the goverment, or where it is just illegal to do things on the street, so picking hobbies that you can do indoors is a lot easier than picking ones where you have to go outside.
And I think that modern jobs sucks from a mental standpoint. There isn't a better feeling than creating/fixing something with your head and your hands that you do to solve something and it is actually useful. There are a ton of unfullfilling jobs where you just don't have anything tangible to create, and the sensation of accomplishment isn't the same.
To prevent someone from becoming a neet they have to feel useful and to do some exercise, or at least to spend some time standing up or outside, and not in front of a computer, so I think that things like woodworking, blacksmithing or working the fields would be very healthy for them.
You're right, not with you I'm not.
None of that stuff actually works though. It's a total waste of time, so you might as well spend your time doing more stimulating things.
That is rather pessimistic. Why even be like that? It's no better than retards in the alt-right spewing shit like how "I want to drop out of society because jews control everything and I can't do anything about it".
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The problem is that the work options for a NEET are total shit, and an asocial knows he is at least going to hate having to play social games to climb the social ladder to promotion to another job he will also probably hate. All the motivational videos in the world aren't going to make eight hours a day of shelf stacking for shit money appealing.
Literally not true. You can learn skills as a neet for programming for example and impress your future employers by being good at the field like that. It's not very difficult, the materials are available through the internet.
I hate toil.
If I had a good purpose, like if I had a wife and little babbinos to support, or if I was working towards making my society and the lives of those in my community better I would work. But working just to survive with no chance of changing this shit existence is fucking idiotic.
Yes, I agree.
Cities are a consequence of capitalism, are unnecessary, and often very harmful.
People should live in small towns of no more than 500 or so people, surrounded by forests, rivers, mountains, beaches, lakes, etc.
And the communities should make efforts to get people involved, and look after each other.
I think of the main problems for NEETs is that they're depressed, and depression makes you not care about anything.
I think the depression is caused by social isolation and feelings of worthlessness for not making money.
If you stop them from being socially isolated and stop shaming them then their problems will resolve naturally.
Many are depressed, but I actually think depression is more common and Normies. Neets are depressed sometimes, but mostly they are angry and resentful.
That's why there hasn't been even one robot who has been cured by counseling
Where are you getting this from?
4chan.org/r9k
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But there are NEETs other than the ones crying about it on r9k.
Yeah but that's inside of capitalism, I'm talking after capitalism, inside socialism. Why even need a purpose?
I've never spent any appreciable amount of time on /r9k/ but I would guess that a lot of them don't even bother with therapy/counseling. Can't really be cured if they never seek out treatment to begin with.
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
These are seen as the enemy there.
Modern psychology has no treatment program for hikkis or socially isolated people. They have nothing to offer.
Wow, this is an amazingly ignorant statement. Social isolation is actually a pretty common cause and symptom of depression, anxiety, and schizophrenia. Therapists deal with it quite a lot. A family member of mine saw a therapist for it and it helped him a lot.
Most of these are a symptom of capitalism.
To be happy. I mean, life has the purpose you give it, but to live an unhappy and empty life you might as well suicide if you are not getting any substantial enjoiment of it.
We have evolved to be happy about things like forming a family, doing useful things for our comunity or finding food, not to sit on our asses all day playing videogames (for example). This is what separates empty enjoiment from purposeful or constructive activities. We are slaves of what evolution condition us to do.
Because they are regular people, you retard. What the fuck?
No, the homeless are a separate species, homoprofugo.
Well, I'd suggest finding out why you're unhappy and fixing that, but if you wanna be an edgelord suicide is okay too I guess.
Happiness is a state of mind, not some prize you only win when you complete some arbitrary task. You can be happy while doing absolutely nothing at all if you train your mind right.
If something is genuinely enjoyable to someone, then it's enjoyable. Doesn't matter if there's some higher purpose to it or not. Saying it's not "true" enjoyment is just retarded.
No, you're the ignorant one here. I wasted years dealing with therapists, they can only do CBT and SSRIs.
Maybe it's different if you have money for a private therapist, but I can only afford the community clinic ones.
I won't dispute that you've had bad experiences with therapists but you can't just generalize to the entire population from your anecdotal experience like that. For a lot of people therapy does help.
Fulfillment is different from enjoyment.
It seems like people need fulfillment to be happy.
"Fulfillment" is kind of vague term. Being happy is more about how you think than what you do. It's why Buddhist monks are some of the happiest people on the planet.
Lenin was a minor aristocrat. The Bolshevik upper echelon was full of people from bougie families (Stalin was one of the few exceptions). Mao and Fidel were both sons of wealthy landowners.
I'm sorry user, but the revolution was made by normies against normies, because they didn't care about this label, only about class. And they gulagged us outcasts for being "alienated elements".
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Well then, what could he offer?
Different people want different things in life, user. Some people might be okay living the rest of their days fapping to Chinese cartoons, playing vydia and shunning social contact, but most people wouldn't. And the thing with robots is, that's not what they want. They do this because they don't know how to do anything else, how to kickstart their lives, for one reason or another. They're the ones who fell through the cracks.
It's one guy, relax. No board is perfect.
This bit from a Kill All Normies review nails it down. It doesn't apply only to the alt-right, but also to robots, wizards, NEETs, hikkis and other outcasts without a label, including several of us in Holla Forums:
In a way, it feels like being a NEET is a rational response to late stage capitalism.
One day, user. One day.
Funny you should mention that. I read an article a few days ago about a cuckrobot who ditched that shit and embrced self-improvement and optimism. I can't find the damn link now tho, sorry.
Well you imply that those monks have changed their way of thinking so that they can be happy sitting on their asses all day. The odds are that they always had the personality trait that would be okay with sitting on their asses all day, so long as it was "spiritual".