Is Venezuela real socialism or not? If it's not, why are people being banned for shittalking Maduro?

Is Venezuela real socialism or not? If it's not, why are people being banned for shittalking Maduro?

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Please gibe ban logs. Given the current state of things, I could believe this, but still.

Here's one I posted a couple of hours ago. Just go look at this page if you want to see the posts banned 8ch.net/bans.html

Venezuela is a socdem petro-state that used its oil money to bribe its workers with welfare instead of developing an industry. Now that the oil money has gone, they're facing the consequences.

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What a fucking embarrassing cunt.

Do you think the ban was about Maduro? Or your characterization of tankies? Either way I don't think it's ban worthy.

Because socialism=big government, you stupid imperialist! 'United SOCIALIST Party of Venezuela', it's in the fucking name!!!

It is not. The majority of people defending Venezuela are quick to opportunistically deviate attention to either what happens in other countries which is not relevant to the topic (imagine someone talking about it then someone else screams 'WHAT ABOUT CHILE") or attach themselves to things that happened a long time ago like that guy who was burnt or the deaths from barricades, conveniently ignoring that the government has killed more than one hundred people since the beginning of the protests.

Maduro and Chavez are fucking shit. But if you'd advocate for a coup then you're shit aswell.

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I just went to the ban list and saw it m8. I think the VZ government is massively economically incompetent though. Apparently criticizing a government for failing to diversify their entirely petroleum based economy can be seen as imperialism, but it's worth pointing out I didn't get banned for saying this in the thread though, so it's probably for the poster being a salty fuck. Still, board quality has been dropping through the floor and BO has done nothing about this but has obviously become butthurt in the Syria thread, so when it effects them they take action.

Venezuela does not have a socialist economy but if you want a country to support purely for the purposes of anti-imperialism then you should support the PSUV government.

Doesn't mean anything.
National socialists aren't socialists.

You do realize that literally no-one here unironically talks about "not real socialism" and it's just a shitty strawman that right-wingers have made up?
It's not socialist, period.

They're a bunch of spics, what did you expect?

hook, line and sinker

Only if you're the BO and your definition of "imperialism" excludes Russia and China for god knows what reason.

It's not socialists, even if some of us believe in their socialist pretensions (at least I believe in Chavez's).

And those who spread the propaganda about Venezuela's economic policies without putting it on the context of the economic warfare, should get the bullet instead of banning.

Yes, some policies are stupid (deeply), but it's not like other developed nations don't do stupid shit (Norway or SA for example finances their social structure with oil). The main difference is that they're not being attacked (yet) by the empire. Oil based economy is wrong, but they would be able to manuver if they didn't have the capitalist interest against them.

BO is an apologist for Chinese and Russian imperialism. What did you expect? If you even think of criticizing even the most brutal regime not aligned with the US you will get banned. Im sorry, but I'm pretty fed up with this board's moderation. We need a new/leftypol/.

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this but also the bolivar is pegged to the dollar which has caused massive inflation

the economy is bad and people are going hungry so maduro has become incredibly unpopular (with something like 10% support), even most chavistas hate him. he's also insanely corrupt and everyone in the high echelons of government is very wealthy

almost all of venezuela's problems are from it's own mismanagement. it didn't even spend it's oil money on welfare as it's traditionally known, it just gave away consumer goods and utilities for free to boost it's popularity instead of investing it in anything useful

according to venezuelans i've spoken to, there's little evidence of the opposition or any protests being CIA funded, and the US government doesn't really care about deposing maduro (he'd already be gone if they did)

90% of western leftists know absolutely nothing about venezuela except for what Telesur tells them

wut

I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but people have been banned the past day for talking shit about North Korea, Venezuela, and Syria. BO said herself that she doesn't consider China or Russia imperialist which is beyond retarded.

Maduro fucked up at times, going to far and US and/or some ppl with agendas are sabotaging Venezuelas economy
National Socialists are socialists don`t be ridiculous.

Were they banned for shit talking those countries or were they banned for arguing with and then antagonizing the BO

I'm worried that Venezuela has become a target for Russian Imperialism, but I don't think the government actively promotes Russian Imperialism. The economic crisis has made them susceptible to Russian Imperialism though.

Are people not allowed to argue with the BO and hurt her feelings because getting banned for that is actually worse than the already shitty "anti-imperialist" rule.

Communism is a Jewish meme

wew, haven't seen that one before

What the fuck is up with BO? They refuse to communicate and keep banning people with this fucktarded "imperialism" rule when their post barely has anything to do with imperialism.

How is:
Somehow anything except a question?
And how the fuck is:

Even remotely related to imperialism or involve "imperialist propaganda"?

And this is just run of the mill sectarian shitposting, which has always been allowed. How is it even propaganda when it's not even expressing any opinions towards Venezuela?

At this point there is no doubt in my mind that BO has become a malicious, incompetent, unstable admin and has to be removed. They keep trying to push their shitty whims onto the rest of the board, they argue about it for a bit, then disappear and stop communicating as everyone loses their shit. Their behavior is effectively sabotage at this point and we're probably one event away from splitting.

No of course not, its nothing like the USSR or early PRC.

I'm a libertarian fascist.

Pick one nerd, it can't be both.
Except that it didn't considering private property still dominates the economy.