This needs its own thread since many of the user base have been either newb'd enough or instinctively idiotic enough to support whatever pseudo-radical positions they were presented with. This thread invites the peoples of leftypol to think critically before they fall prey to manipulation (welcomed by Holla Forumsyps).
You may call (report, even) this thread as spüm, but you'd be wrong. Truth knows no bounds, and what is most important is that more and more people understand how our views are manipulated every day (even on a Chinese pantomime board).
You may have voted "BO sucks" or "anti-imperialism sucks" on the recent polls, but you need to be confronted with the following facts: 1) you haven't taken the time to actually read the shit BO presented as arguments; 2) BO didn't move "more authoritarian" since he only extended pre-existing rules. 3) If you have been just played, and disregarded the actual evidence and arguments presented, maybe, just maybe, you aren't proper Holla Forums material. ;-(
Why do we advocate democratic and collective control of the means of production while living under private and totalitarian ownership of the means of moderation?
Easton Ramirez
Again missing out the comments where she opposes socialist revolution in Syria:
And where she thinks its a necessary position to support the death of Kobane and places anti imperialism over the revolutionary gains in Syria and the gains of the whole Kurdish movement:
Jace Martin
Also fuck your sectarianism and defence of creating purity tests for this board.
Brayden Barnes
Calm down kids.
Thomas Stewart
BO frames her arguments with intellectual dishonesty. She is consistently leading people. No anarchist supports imperialism. It doesn't make sense since anarchist societies can't even be imperialist by nature. A lot of us have said over and over about YPG that we think they're in a desperate situation and we don't know if they'll keep their morals and continue what they have been doing or turn into lap dogs. Some are optimistic.
Now BO refuses to acknowledge that powers besides europe and the US have been imperialist. The soviet union was imperialist, Japan was imperialist, and so was China to an extent. Her brain is so caught up in tankie logic that she is just going on a purge of anarchists because tankies hate us
All in all, stop kissing her ass
Bentley Smith
you lost me there
Jaxson Walker
I like you
Ethan Smith
oh my, all that purge that is going on, have you seen the ban list? we just lost 50 % of users!
feels > reals!
Andrew Thomas
Where did he mention purge?
Oliver Harris
i like the lack of adressing the arguments and actual content of the rules. it's very telling about the reading comprehension of anarchists.
Colton Richardson
Seriousely how many people have been banned??
Robert Walker
as i just mentioned, reading comprehension is an issue in this drama.
Jeremiah Adams
EVVERYIWONE ='(
Nathan Wilson
Maybe you adress any of the criticism before? We are not going to rehash the discussion of 4 threads for you. Also by far not all tankies support this rule change.
Colton Hernandez
Cry me a river
Elijah Parker
sage and hide
Anthony Jones
take your pills
Daniel Young
this is your brain on anarchism
Owen Wood
I'm not a big fan of the BO's decision but I've noticed one thing
the same people that are sperging about "free screech" were the same people that talked about wanting to ban marxist-leninists other people like that
really this entire shitshow reeks of opportunism
Jaxon Walker
BO is against a socialist revolution in Syria and will ban people for wanting that, and demands that you dont support the USA saving Kobane. This is what I criticise, so maybe stop being a sectarian fuckwit and acknowledge that there might be an issue with that.
Levi Reed
reading comprehension
you lack it
Christian Lewis
Wanting socialists to overthrow a porky is a bannable offense. Lenin should have rejected any aid from the Germans and let the Tsarists or White Army slaughter his forces, fucking imperialist swine.
Logan Rogers
ok.
Samuel Ramirez
remind me
how many military units did germany send again?
Aaron Robinson
kys
stop being a dishonest retard
Jonathan Hall
Lenin
Nathan Reed
Not him, but on top of this, the definitions and understanding of what constitutes imperialism is by no means a settled debate. The idea that BO would even be able to enforce some measure of objective anti-imperialist policy is ludicrous from the onset.
The implications of BO's prevailing logic seems to dictate the following: A) Only the US and western Europe constitute imperialist forces. B) A failure to support forces that are a target of US imperialism constitutes supporting US imperialism. C) Support of opposing forces to "imperialism" should be blind to the proletarian character (or lack there of) of said opposing force.
16 total bans over the course of probably 2-3 hours last night. Some were supposedly for ban evasion, but that seems to have been the case for maybe half of the cases that claimed that reason.
Justin Carter
how is it dishonest? this is literally what you said.
Aiden Carter
ok
Austin Watson
This is dishonest even for you ginjeet
Xavier Howard
reading comprehension
you lack it
Colton Gonzalez
What BO said: What BO was banning: What BO should have said:
Michael Rivera
ok
Hunter Sullivan
Anything but AnCap is predicated on theft and immoral.
Austin Torres
ah, right. those are all just kurdish soldiers and air craft.
ok.
Nolan Lopez
Thank you user, for your ignorant, 0 reading comprehension post. We shall now proceed reading and interpreting (difficult) posts for you. Are you ready? Buckle up!
First of all: she? If BO is a "she," she should post tits ASAP! On a more serious note: The post you are meme-arrowing to has no implications of what you are implicating. Maybe re-read the meme-arrowing of your own? Idk, somehow doesn't translate to, and I quote: "[opposing] socialist revolution!" Please feel free to correct me on this interpretative problem! kek Your second meme-arrow points to a question: "Is wanting the YPG to oust Assad, be it peacefully as they desire or forcefully, a bannable offense?" Which has been answered by the prev. response adequately. Are you still butt-blasted? Maybe you shouldn't gobble too much Hillary propaganda a day?
First of all it is wildly debated if the YPG is in fact a revolutionary composition or purely a nation-building attempt of the Kurds! (Neithe should be condemned!) Back to your pointing to BO: How is this "partisan" in your opinion??
THX in advance for your ADEQUATE answers, m8!
As it was meme-arrowed in OP (which you clearly haven't read):
>>am I sectarian because on this specific issue I sided with BO? Thanks for your participation. Reading is your friend!
k
I wish this was true, I really do. Back when I was an ancom I acted as you prescribe. Still, as it is implied in OP/BO-posts it has been observed that anarkiddies started lazily supporting anything that was Rojava related. Facts are your friends. Thanks for posting.
I agree, comrade.
I don't agree. If anything this recent upsurge reeks of newfags/anarchobabbies not understanding that supporting YPG doyin't equate with loving the Obama/Trump bombs. These people were banned for legit reasons. No personal hurts against anarchists. Please, next time make your case w/o referring to the mighty dick of the Empire…
So far what we know for sure is that the Kurds want a territorial autonomy. There's no problem with that. We also know that they are rather egalitarian. Cool, again. Please stop distorting facts to fit your idiotic agenda.
Dominic Robinson
Ah, how nice of the Kurds to get all their military together for one big photograph. They're doing well with just half a dozen guys.
Jeremiah Long
Thay many users banned from a single thread is overboard and her argument demonstrated that her concept of supporting imperialism was so lax that saying totalitarian countries are already shit would be misconstrued by her to mean we advocate the US intervening
Caleb Morris
BO said: I will ban you for supporting YPG overthrowing Assad if they receive US help to do that. What that means: I ban people for supporting a socialist revolution.
BO said: You have to acknowledge that the US intervention is wrong. What that means: I ban people who support USA saving Kobane and moving the Kurdish movement forward as a result.
This a problem and is no consisten rule but she forcing her opinion on the board.
Juan Mitchell
Simple enough for your ant brain?
Benjamin Nguyen
Keep it up, scholar of b00ks!
Maybe read Lenin's Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism?
Thank you for confirming that you haven't read BO. Quote:
>This is an example of an argument that I won't ban.
William Howard
This is not a Leninist board, or even a Marxist one.
I'm aware of Lenin's definitions: my point is that a Leninist (or any individual ideology for that matter that isn't just "general left") should not be the basis for rule enforcement on a board that isn't dedicated to that specific ideology. I'm aware of that post: I was the one who BO was responding to. My point is that later posts in regards to the DPRK among other things show that BO's stance does not tolerate being critical of "anti-imperialist" forces without explicitly denouncing potential intervention/interference by imperialist forces. On top of that, what BO has claimed and what bans have actually been put out have been increasingly disparate, where people have thus far been banned for reasons that were previously mentioned as "safe."
Ryan Lee
I just want the board feud to be over, I want a united Holla Forums.