Actual leftists: discussing an issue that isn't related to class oppression

fuq :DDD

I like how Actual Marxism isn't Marx.

pls mustache man

reminder

you go to the gulag first

sage goes in the email field comrade

youtu.be/j4pZLH9Ro54

There's an entire generation of people obsessed with political oppression of all sorts filling your ranks and instead of trying to teach them class consciousness you're more interested in purging them.
Peak elitism.

oh boy a dodgy youtube link

gooooood luck with that

what are the mechanism's through which capitalists work this tactic?

my criticism of idpol has always just been that its detached from the material reality of oppressed groups and that its an elitist ideology co-opting the struggles of these people, I don't get the impression that capitalists are explicitly using these tactics to divide us.

I just assumed that corporations and politicians have jumped on the idpol bandwagon cause 1. stupid liberals love it and 2. its an easy way to get support AND avoid talking about material issues

WOW, That really makes me think! Thanks OP! To which political affiliation could OP belong?!

Leftist have been trying to teach class consciousness to those bastards for centuries, it simply doesn't work and in the end all it does is that leftist organizations get subverted into centres for oppression olympics.
It's time for a different approach.

First, how do you claim "REAL marxism" to your position when Marx and Engels themselves were cynical about most of those movements and mocked them incessantly in their writings?

Second, although I agree that all that shit is entwined and should be "fought as one" I mean that in that sense that we should be materialists and see identity cleavages in society as the outwards reflection of deeper economic circumstances, and that can only be solved by increasing democratic control over the latter. Which is also the position that Marx subscribed to.

But when you tell people that all struggles are connected, what they read instead is that we should be concerned about inequality as much as we're concerned about all the identity-related issues. And both of those positions are weak as fuck.

lol really? So you hear about Yemen and Venezuela as much as you hear about racism and gender roles?

The political oppression our generation cares about is the political oppression the media tells them to care about, which is a reflection of the agenda of progressive parties. Our job is not to settle with that but to push things further.

EVERYTHING is related to class oppression, that's the point.

Great when we can start talking about all the Somalians who would eat me alive if the police went on strike just because I'm a white devil

They would eat you alive because they have no food you stupid fuck

They sure seem to get their money's worth with all the snap benefits they claim when I see them at Walmart. Still hostile though and seemingly incapable of any kind of work besides drug dealing and (poorly) driving taxis.

Bad post but the image is somewhat true, I'll see a lot of subjects get dismissed as "idpol" for just having to do with racial shit that definitely exists.

To be fair tho, there are plenty of people on this board who are very open to genuine discussion.

Oh, you're talking about Somalian immigrants.

Well, no one except taxi services and MAYBE grocery stores/gas stations hire Africans. Thick accent, often a language barrier, super dark black, different culture, etc. White middle management employers get uncomfortable in the interview.

Maybe it's the burning hatred in their eyes and utter hatred for the white kuffar that puts off people off

Who knows xD

You're being silly.

Of course they seem hostile. Pretty much the whole of Africa seems hostile compared to America or most of Europe. It's a cultural thing.

but we are totally marxists u fucken brocialists

Oppression is mainly enacted through economic means in society so dismantling capitalism will end oppression as we know it. It won't end oppression entirely, but it's a good start.

They ARE hostile you shit for brains SWPL

Wow Holla Forums it's like you're actually retarded

No the retard is you.

I love how the example for "brocialism" is an article blasting bourgie politicians for pushing through mandatory minimums on sexual assault.

Real socialists support mass incarceration, apparently.

Wewlad. I bet you think Russians are always angry just because they don't smile much.

lol I'm talking to a wall

You wouldn't consider Somalians hostile after they beat you half to death for pocket change you'd just write it off as an isolated incident. you're just another SWPL that is too far gone.

Nice buzzwords faggot, but your spooky Somalian boogeyman doesn't actually exist. There's a huge pressure for any immigrant to assimilate, and Somalis are no exception you stupid cunt.

This.
Feminism and anti-racism are good, but in practice discussions about them too often devolves into sterile debates like "should trans people be allowed in feminist spaces?", folk policing, essentialist hate-speech, narcissistic discourses and Christian-like moralism.
It's also disappointing how the average feminist sucks at theory. None of them introduced me to cyberfeminism or xenofeminism, the radical ideas of abolishing gender thru cyberspace or the creation of billions of them with bio-experimentation. They always indulge into the same old boring intersectionality shit to feel good about themselves and masturbate over their self-righteousness.

As Srnicek and Williams put it :

How the hell was the WSWS article brocialism?

I'm having a hard time finding information about this allegedly terrible Somali situation in the US. Instead I find articles like cnn.com/interactive/2017/02/us/somali-minnesota-photos/
There was one knife attack about a year ago, and Somalis fleeing for Canada now due to fear of deportation, but that's about it.
(It's weird how in the US, with at least one mass shooting almost every single day, a knife attack a year ago, with no deaths except the perpetrator, is still showing up in news searches as though it were especially deadly. Breitbart pushed the story pretty hard, it seems, which may be why our nazi friend has internalized the notion.)

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