Why resist capitalism?

If the working class will only revolt when driven to the point of starvation, why fight capitalism?

If it's deteriorating conditions which allow the working class to become more open to going beyond capitalism, why try to prevent conditions from deteriorating? Why fight for meaningless reforms that only prop up the existing society and only serve to at best delay the inevitable by making it worse.

Why not accelerate capitalism’s own development and hasten the day when the working class will be forced to fight to simply survive? Why don't you just become the most hardcore neoliberals and push the boundaries of capital to its ultimate limits: no borders, no regulations, no food stamp socialism etc?

The more time you spend trying to delay the expansion of capitalism the moire environmental and human suffering you cause and you ultimately waste your time anyway because the process cannot be stopped.

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I agree with Marx that the end of Capitalism is inevitable, but only because I think people will naturally gravitate towards the better system. If people aren't aware of Socialism/socialist policies, they repeatedly fail at establishing Socialism. It's not a repeat of the few btfo the many, it takes collaboration.

but why? All reform does is it buys off the working class with some breadcrumbs from the state to pacify it. You raise their wages, give them UBI and they simply participate in the system more by acquiring 60 inch plasma televisions, 200 channels of cable entertainment and buy Apple watches. You basically help the process that way anyways.

Socialist revolt won't come from people being mad about random issues. It can only come from understanding the failure of Capitalism to adress those issues, and it's overt hand in causing those issues.

so what the fuck is this an education problem and not a material problem ? I thought the whole point is that capitalism accelerates itself by creating and perfecting new instruments of production which makes laborers unnecessary and throws them into the surplus pool of labor making them angry and fucked up this process continues until the need for labor reaches a minimum. So if you accelerate capitalism you accelerate a transition from capitalism. You should for all intents and purposes be shilling for more neo-liberalism and automation

Capitalism and it's effects are material problems. I.E., someone owning your labor is a material problem. For profit manufacturing is a material problem. People not knowing how to create a socialist society could be argued as material in nature, but I would disagree. If people don't know what Socialism is, I don't believe they'll create it by pure class interest alone, but I believe people will inevitably learn.
Well you thought wrong bud. No, critiques of Capitalism are stupid like you believe them to be.

And all this time I thought it was
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Hahaha, I totally agree with that first part.
That was a typo, it should have been aren't. Thanks.

I actually think you are sort of correct, in that the idea of "consciousness building" as essential to Communism is largely bullshit. At some time in the future, it is likely that most humans will be unable to trade their labor for the means to life. At that time, some form of Communism will be forced into being, whether people want it to be or not.

With that said, there are some arguments for the usefulness of consciousness-building. First, we are on the global climate change clock, and if capitalism is not ended soon enough, then much of the planet might become unlivable - though this could just as well be an argument for accelerationism. Second, in the absence of any consciousness-building, it is possible that there could arise so-called "bourgeois Communism" where most people are eliminated because of their inability to produce profit, so that at the end of the day, advanced Communist society might only be enjoyed by those who were previously exploiters. Third, even if everything else goes smoothly, even if production becomes mostly automated, at the end of the day, we will still need to do away with the state so that private property can be done away with.

Karl says so right here:

"If the general extension of factory legislation to all trades for the purpose of protecting the working-class both in mind and body has become inevitable, on the other hand, as we have already pointed out, that extension hastens on the general conversion of numerous isolated small industries into a few combined industries carried on upon a large scale; it therefore accelerates the concentration of capital and the exclusive predominance of the factory system. It destroys both the ancient and the transitional forms, behind which the dominion of capital is still in part concealed, and replaces them by the direct and open sway of capital; but thereby it also generalises the direct opposition to this sway. While in each individual workshop it enforces uniformity, regularity, order, and economy, it increases by the immense spur which the limitation and regulation of the working-day give to technical improvement, the anarchy and the catastrophes of capitalist production as a whole, the intensity of labour, and the competition of machinery with the labourer. By the destruction of petty and domestic industries it destroys the last resort of the “redundant population,” and with it the sole remaining safety-valve of the whole social mechanism. By maturing the material conditions, and the combination on a social scale of the processes of production, it matures the contradictions and antagonisms of the capitalist form of production, and thereby provides, along with the elements for the formation of a new society, the forces for exploding the old one."

He says it right there, Capitalism has inherent contradictions, these contradictions will reveal themselves, and from their Socialism can come forth. He doesn't say "And Socialism will just poof into existence because of bad times". I like that you read Marx tho, Ancrap. Mind telling me which book this is? I'm trying to get through his work. I'm on wage-labour and capital.

that is another way of saying that capitalism will create the conditions for bad times out of which socialism will poof out of.

I didn't. I skimmed through the main points and I read leftists blogs occasionally.


it's chapter 15 of Capital machinery and large scale industry.

Why resist being ass raped? Same diff.

the way you can look at it is that your resistance to the ass rape is a built in feature of the entire process. All the events from 1848 to the collapse of the USSR to Dengism to Neoliberalism to Venezuela is the unfolding of an impersonal, indifferent, process that cannot be reversed or halted. All resistance is simply part of the process of capitalist development expressing itself through the actions of individuals who have no grasp of the forces with which they contend. It's happening either with or without your acquiescence it doesn't need you to resist it or to support it it's just happening

I wonder if there's a historical precedent for this in America

Like there was a period of extreme labor violence

Like there weren't swarms of people mobbing the rich and the army screaming "To Hell with the United States"

That there weren't socialist politicians at the time in the US, that there's absolutely 100% possible way that could happen here.

It did.

And considering the demographics, we're coming back, Jeremy is the first step.

The boomers who trust Capital and their moronic failsons who can't think any differently are slowly being booted out by a majority of young adults who have had their lives derailed and have seen what 2008 did, have seen the deregulation of everything to their safety, have seen the threats to their health care with this administration. They elected Jeremy Corbyn for a reason. And that reason is he addressed the root of the problem.

It won't be too long before the US too, must give up to the fact we now have socialist popularity again, and it will do so kicking and screaming by dying boomers and their failsons like you

Mind you this was before the Great Depression, during the Great Depression it was far far more fantastic.

It won't be too long before the US too, must give up to the fact we now have socialist popularity again, and it will do so kicking and screaming by dying boomers and their failsons like you

So why fight Capitalism? We want to do it, it's ruined many of our chances at a better life, it squanders potential geniuses who could help life for the better because of corporate fiefdom and legality, but most of all poverty, and ruins our education system.

We are nothing compared to the rest of the Western World. And we know this now. But even the rest of the Western World is beginning to realize enough is enough. Far Right Nationalism is dying where it was once booming, Far Left Socialism is booming now in response.

It won't stop soon.

People are addressing Capital as the problem, and as long as people's livelihoods are at stake with every new law the boomers had and we didn't, the more we'll take to the streets.

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Why the fuck do your types thinkers all look like easily beatable silicon valley type nerd cunts who could be beat with a fucking noodle.

I wonder, I just wonder

Communism IS inevitable in a way (assuming humanity doesn't completely destroy the planet before then), the question is whether it happens for humanity as a whole or whether the tiny handful of psychos at the top achieve FALC for themselves and leave everyone else to starve. Past revolutions have taught the Porkies to fear communism, and they created fascism as a direct response to it. A revolution cannot happen when the entire working class is being monitored 24/7 and policed by an army of obedient murderbots, so its imperative that we achieve communism before that becomes the reality.

What the fuck is Land supposed to be in this picture? I see it sometimes, is it some sort of in-joke or what?

It's the calling card of the wizard

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This thread disappoints me.

it would still be possible but shadowrunners would have to seize the means of destruction