Stalin More Popular Than Putin, Russians Say

There is nothing wrong with socialist patriotism.

well considering Stalin wasn't socialist i don't understand your comment user

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This, it's literally just 'when we were the USSR and twice as big nobody could tell us what to do'

everything is wrong with patriotism.

Feels bad man

It's always amazing that the NYT et al have the nerve to say that Navalny can challenge Putin in a election, when 34% of people are saying Putin is the one of, but THE most outstanding figure in Russia's history. If he was actually able to participate, he would get a fucking joke of a fraction of the vote. But on the other hand, it's bad politics to not let him destroy himself at the polls, when he has the backing of so many coup leaders and spooks.

Really? Are you sure it's not "when we were the USSR and we fought so hard, and so valiantly, to defeat the greatest evil in the history of the world"

The center of gravity in the Russian ideological constellation is the death drive, sacrificing itself to itself in conclusion. The greatest Russian is then the manifestation of its execution.

Even when the country is literally under assault of a genocidal invader? Even then you'd deny mild spark of civic patriotism amongst the population because muh spooks?

Good thing Anarcho-Nihilists will never be in charge of anything

Stalin confirmed Ubermensch

I agree. It`s horrible what that genocidal maniac, Stalin did to Baltic states and Finland.

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Ahahaha liberals will never recover from this

t. Nazi

That gets me. How is the man who won the revolution and all of the subsequent civil wars not the number one guy? Stalin was not even particularly brilliant in the Second World War. The best thing that he did was the five-year plans, which were admittedly pretty amazing.

I want to see a Lenin biopic starring Samuel L Jackson.

All tankies should die.

Stalins role in WW2 was that of having developed the nations industry by your mentioned 5 year plan far enough to be victorious to begin with. Not only that, unlike his opponent he wasn't an egomaniac dumbass that interfered with his militaries ideas too much and rather worked with them together. Having trained the army before and purged traitors he was confident in them. Rightfully so.

this tbh

His fighting spirit has come back in this time of Nazi's and reactionaries to put a tolerant boot stamp on a fascist face forever.

It's pretty easy Stalin was alive the longest during the construction of socialism in Russia. When Lenin died the NEP

*had barely finished and most of the population was still agricultural, private property still existed etc.

Well if you look at the Communist party in Russia, they're literally more like nazbol than socialist. They even loosely allied with Putin of all people, I mean how much more evidence can there be that they're just nostalgic right wing nationalists?

Scattering the Red Army into offensive positions in 1941 was his only mistakes. Apart from that Stalin was actually a great military commander. Stalingrad wasn't named after him during his reign, but during the Civil War where he turned a long-winded battle arround against the odds.

I'm tired of this shit argument. Reactionaries in Russia have to appeal to nostalgia for the socialist era because they obviously can't get mass support otherwise.In most capitalist countries they can simply oink around openly.

When will this meme die? Although I consider myself an M-L somewhat I'm not interested in defending Stalin but it's just an objective historical reality that the claim that he personally oversaw the murder of 20-30 million Russians and others in the USSR isn't just inaccurate but mostly a product of the Red Scare and the Far Right propagandists who continued this narrative in the 80s and 90s after capitalism "Won"

It's so fucking easy now with the internet to find out how many people Stalin (and Mao for that matter) actually had personally executed and what the context of the millions who died or suffered throughout their leadership.

How can porky still be so effective at peddling the message that they were just insane dictators who forced their people to keep supporting them despite personally removing all their friends and family on a daily basis?

dude, there like a fuckton of commie parties in russia and they're all at each other's throats for the legacy of the "true" revolutionary party

if they have anything in common it is that they all hate CPRF and would like the see Zyuganov hanged on the nearest light pole

Yeah okay sure there are probably a million tiny fringe leftist parties that aren't right wing but the CPRF is the big one, it's not reasonable to suggest 40% of Russians are closet communists when the biggest 'communist' party is just for Nazbols.

Will we reach peak Duginism?

you do know that there are several factions and the ML is a major one opposing zyuganov within the CPRF?

Pretty sure people like Stalin cause he won the war, it's just russian patriotism and soviet nostalgia, not necessarily because they like socialism that much. Just look at how secularism got killed. Lenin would be dissapointed.

but they do prefer socialism in polls, not just Stalin

most people living in the eastern bloc think of socialism as a strong welfare state so those polls are kinda misleading

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Most people here also think of socialism as a strong welfare state though.

newsweek, let's believe this unbiased news source goys

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Ya but the difference is that East bloc experiments with socialism came much closer to communism or true "socialism" then any Western society has. So when Russians say they have socialism they have a clearer idea of what that means–many Russians even support a centrally planned economy still.

He also failed to take Poland after WW1.

I think that's where the rivalry between him and Trotsky really started to heat up.

He never made mistakes

Uncle Joe should be the hero of every worker in the world tbh

The Man of Steel can do no wrong

boris yeltsin is in hell right now crying his eyes out

Dude is still alive lol

What? I'm a different poster but I didn't know the Russians had necromancy. He died in 2007.

That's Gorbachev

Most anti-communist propaganda comes from literal fascists like Goebbels and Gehlen

Right I got confused with pizza hut man

Still blows my mind that it was literally Gorbachev and not a lookalike.

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Don't you think that proves my point? The biggest 'socialist' party by far is just reactionary.

Not really when you consider the fact that conservatards LARP it up in the open all the time in most capitalist countries especially in the West. The most "left-wing" constituents of the mainstream Western political spectrum are liberals LARPing as socialists–just look at the fact that the labor party openly struck socialism from there platform under tony blair and the SDP hasn't considered itself Marxist since the 50s. America hasn't even developed an independent bourgeois labor party and the left there openly relies on the openly bourgeois liberal-imperialist Democratic Party. Japan has meanwhile been essentially been a one Party state under the center-right LDP for decades; South Korea can hardly be called a democracy. Do I really need to go on?

The most craven centrist and reactionary elements of the Western "Left" don't even pretend to be Marxists or communists anymore.They find it suitable to throw a few cheap words around describing their utopian "socialism" and the masses rarely even call them on their bullshit. Up until the last crisis many of these elements haven't even found it necessary to falsely label themselves "socialist" for decades.

The fact that reactionaries and liberals feel the need to disguise themselves as "communists" and "Marxists" just shows the low opinion and low-sway of capitalist propaganda over the working class there. And as another poster pointed out the Left-wing parties are working to expose the nature of the revisionist loyal opposition communist party in Russia.

Compare that to Corbyn, Syrizia, and Bernie skeptics being shouted down here in an avowedly rad left Cambodia cartoon board that oscillates between hundreds and 1000+ regular posters.

Weirdly enough, the theoretical consciousness here is probably much higher then most mass left-wing rallies in the West. I'm really not pessimistic at all but there's not need to slander Russian comrades hard at work and the Russian working class when our house looks far worse.

Having spent a long time here it seems like this board has been slowly manipulated into becoming social democrats. This becomes far easier when you consider that most people here are vaguely left leaning liberals whose socialism is completely utopian. I dare to say that less than 100 of the people here actually have any revolutionary potential, even if they are definitely more informed than your average liberal.

We will use tanks to attack a federal building, i pinky promise.

Those faggots don't have important opinions to me.

Stalin is a national hero. Of course a historic national hero will be more popular than a current president.

Also because Putin lacks principles and understanding and he doesn't really stand for anything, hes just there. He can't compete with Stalin in any way.

He's coming bucko

Literally every time there's a survey for the greatest Russian (or "Russian", in Stalin's case), not counting Putin because of his current cult of personality, Stalin wins. And Yeltsin and Gorbachev tag-team for the last place.

dictatorship of the proletariat is when the party never gives the soviets their power back, and the longer this lasts, the more socialist it is

Yea,just like the fakeocaust and Smitler

Go back to the 90s.

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