How do we convert SJWs and center-lefties to radicalize? How can we make people care about their fellow man...

How do we convert SJWs and center-lefties to radicalize? How can we make people care about their fellow man? How can Antifa be used to promote our cause in the long term?

I go to supposedly one of the most radically left schools in the country, but it's filled with nothing but neoreactionaries who refuse to believe that identity politics are part of the cancer killing leftism.

Talk to people and explain your position. If you're not an uncharismatic freak of nature, they'll listen to what you have to say. The revolution starts with you, user.

Instead of further pandering to unsalvagable SJWs, you should try to put an end to the alienation of the modern left from the regular, down-to-earth laborer.

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SJWs are already radicalized having drunk Porky's degenerate and multicultural kool=aide.

Center leftists are just people looking for lulz in political spheres. Just amuse them with silly videos and they'll eventually start to believe it over time. Be careful, though, as some finer aspects of socialism may be lost by this manner.

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SJWs are hopeless and we shouldn't waste energy on them. Center-lefties though - Bernie Bros, Green Party freaks, Jimmy Dore commenters, etc. - will be our comrades in the future though. We might be able to convert a few of them now, but the major converter will be capitalism itself. They'll see their living standards decrease and their reformist projects fail and will eventually come around.

For now, just wait, read, lift, and shitpost

youre going to have to become transracial, transexual, transgender, and transdisabled before they'd listen to you

Become professor and assign them to read Bordiga tbqh

I don't think SJWs are as far gone as people like to believe. At least at my school, it's largely about social capital and fitting in, less about the actual belief. Once you isolate them and really talk to them, they themselves will admit that some of the talking points are ridiculous.
They're fed up with the system– they just think the bigger problems with the system are its intolerances. We can't ignore the SJWs, they're fiery, frustrated, and can really fucking organize. It's just a matter of showing them the true problems.
Not to mention that SJW politics are immensely popular with the incoming generation.


I'm mixed raced, so I actually get allowed to say shit that goes against the ideology rulebook.

Are you a fatphobe?

It's about empathy. Holla Forums is mostly suburban straight white kids who just outgrew Holla Forums and latched to leftism because its hip without really understanding it. They still harbour lots of hateful attitudes towards powerless and marginalised people. They don't get it's not idpol, it's an issue of life and death.

Acknowledge that there are systems of oppression in this country that hold down black people and brown people and gay people. Then keep going and point out that they also keep down straight white POOR people.

Then say that having a more representative face atop the system of oppression will not solve the problem, the only thing that will solve the problem is removing its power. And its power is not a racist attitude, its power comes from the economic system that is capitalism.

Leftism is not about caring about fellow man. It's about hating them and wanting to force them to do what you want. It's about power and about not feeling inferior to your betters.

You'd have an easier time getting a Mormon to denounce thier beliefs because is was based around "faith" to begin with. An SJW beliefs are based around absolute "fact" in thier minds, and thier entire identity is based around said "facts", their brain is literally on Holla Forums-tier reasoning. So any way hail Stalin, and USSR did nothing wrong XD

There are people like that on leftypol however, there is also a contingent of people who agree that racism, sexism are bad but disagree with intersectionality, preferring the classical marxist base and superstructure model. Furthermore, the 'right to narrate' and argument from postmodern narrative is not compatible with scientific materialist analysis

as a former sjw you really do just have to explain the emancipatory potential of socialism

i rejected socialism because i thought it was dangerous, but now i know we need danger to kill porky

explain that class is another axis of oppression - and that it unites the minority diaspora, and its something you cant choose any more than your race or your sex

sorry this is incoherent i just woke up

>fellow college students and highschoolers, how do we convert other college students and highschoolers to our superior religious belief?
no OP, you are the cancer

SHUT UP U FUCKING MANARCHIST CISSIALIST MENSHEVIK BROLETARIAT DICKTATOR REEEEEEEE

I don't think that's really the case, even the former Holla Forumsyps here seem like decent enough people for the most part. The aut-right obviously has awful goals, but in an extremely twisted sort of way I think many of them have their hearts in the right place, they're just horribly, horribly misguided by their ideology. Hell, I've seen many of them going on about how great a lot of leftist media is due to the fact that they completely misinterpret it and think that its about DA JOOZ- remember when John Carpenter had to explicitly tell them that They Live was about capitalism and not some ridiculous Jewish conspiracy like they thought it was?
Because western politics has been dominated by right-wing parties for longer than most people have been alive, many people are stuck in a false dichotomy where they see liberals as "the left" and conservatives as "the right". The result is that even when people start to realize something is wrong with the system, most of them just end up blaming everything on one group and go full retard in their support of the other, not realizing that they're both right-wing and there are other options out there. Thus far we've had sort of a brain-drain effect on Holla Forums where many of the more inquisitive and open-minded people from there actually take the time to learn about the left while the idiots and 12-year olds fall for the ridiculous conspiracy theories like "Cultural Marxism".
I think most people are in favor of ending legit issues facing minorities and such, its just that many would rather focus on the underlying cause rather than the symptoms. Even in the case of issues that are major enough to warrant fixing them beforehand, I think most of us would agree that the way SJWs go about it is counterproductive. Going "REEEE WHITE PEOPLE/MEN/WHATEVER!" just antagonizes people and destroys any sympathy they might have had for those issues.

I do not think POC and Queers here would be of the same opinion

Well, I can't really speak for anyone but myself here, but as a bi Hispanic trap I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Obviously I'm not terribly fond of reactionary views to say the least, but aside from the rare Asserfag it seems like they've ditched their spooks once they realized they were just scapegoating people for issues caused by capitalism.
I'm not trying to justify the aut-right's views by any stretch, but it seems a bit hypocritical to accuse people of having a lack of empathy without trying to understand what pushed many of them to the far-right in the first place.

pic is why zero tolerance against white supremacy, even ironic white supremacy or white supremacy perpetuated by non whites is a good policy

While your meme'ing I see an implicit point that bears truth, in order to have access to SJW's in a conversation you have to concede half the battle by adopting their language and ways of speaking and by that time they have basically already won the debate, because that is what they want most out of you, is to change your ways to suit their needs.

outmeme everyone around you. If the alt right has proven anything it's that logic and reason aren't important and that a cartoon frog is the only thing that can get you followers.

So you think all the people who left behind Holla Forums and came to leftism aren't decent people? C'mon, m8.

its a question of safety

Nice bait, niggerfaggot.

You completely ignored his point. The average laborer does not give a shit about "axis of oppression".
Damn, people like you hurt our cause more than help. It's why it's regarded as lofty elite ideology.

Just explain that racism is what the rich use to keep the poor from uniting. It keeps poor blacks poor, and angry at white people.
It keeps poor whites poor, and angry at black people.
And it stops both of them from working towards the end of poverty in any real way.

You can't. Most of them are Woodhullites and aren't even interested in revolutionary change let alone significant reforms.

SJW get the gulag

a lot of TERFs are already there, all you have to say that the class struggle is like the sex struggle, and bingo bango they are comrades, all the pieces are already there

Capitalism gives power to [racism/sexism/whateverism] and therefore dismantling it is the key to dismantling the other is that the SJW cares about.

well, yes, that's step two to the process is to get them to realize that, its actually not that hard to get them there if you explain from basics, as I said, the pieces are all there

Why don't you try talking to them sometime. Every liberal I talk to will say something like "I agree with everything you say except for the violence part :^)"

Here's some necessary things you need to keep in mind.
Firstly, SJWs (not a real thing I'll assume you meant anyone who promotes left-idpol) are often actually anti-capitalist, they're not all capitalist liberals, a shockingly large amount of them are actually Maoists. Socialism isn't completely incompatible with how they think, and this is important to bring up because I believe to change the so called SJW liberals and bring them into anti-capitalism you must influence the already anti-capitalist idpol crowd. I believe that chain of thought begins with them.

Everyone already does care about their fellow man, we just express it in unique and terrifying ways. I mean I'm a fucking nihilist out of love, same goes for nazis, they think they're some sort of hero of humanity. We convince ourselves that some people must be sacrificed for the good of the rest, and then from that we can justify a whole lot, but I believe everyone except people with anti-social personality disorder do care.

Antifa does not need to be used for anything else, I feel like asking them to is missing the point of anti-fascist action. Antifa is good as is, honestly, if you want those people to do other things, then do them yourself and ask them to join you, these people are most of the time already anarchists or communists who are already engaged in activism or organization elsewhere.

Identity politics is going to be hard to advocate against, you have to do it from a reasonable perspective to them, not something they might agree with necessarily but something that can dismiss their ideas without seeming like it was made specifically just to dismiss their ideas. The biggest problem, and this is obvious to anyone really, I'm somehow shocked I didn't notice this for years, you look like a dick 90% of the times you disagree slightly with someone, not because you really do, but because people are sensitive, very sensitive to their beliefs being challenged. You have to sort of bend over backwards when advocating something "crazy" and this goes for simple shit like anarchism/communism/anti-capitalism as a whole, not just a critique of identity politics, but anything, shit even some bands and video games I've had to brown nose a little to get people to try out. Bands and video games.

Being a terf is right-wing idpol for conservative women.


You must convince everyone you can, and you can convince everyone. From the most obsessed nationalist, to the most muh privileged bourgeois child, anyone who cares about something, anything, can be convinced.
It's the people who don't care that are the hardest to convince to change their minds, because first you have to get them to care about something, and people who care about nothing are pretty fucked up on drugs in my experience.

There are people like that on leftypol however, there is also a contingent of people who agree that racism, sexism are bad but disagree with intersectionality, preferring the classical marxist base and superstructure model. Furthermore, the 'right to narrate' and argument from postmodern narrative is not compatible with scientific materialist analysis

THIS A MILLION TIMES THIS

Come on, if you assume that attitude in that pic you only premote more ammo by holding up holy cows.

Don't pretend like the alt-right hasn't used post-irony as its main tool of expansion.

I didn't read the tweets though so I could be misinterpreting you I admit, I saw it was about the pewdiepie nazi shit drama and just clicked off.