Former 4/pol/ack here

He asked for advice not homework kiddo.

welp

but the debt book is ok tho, read it, op.

Thanks guys for being understanding. I might lurk here for a bit while. I will check out Slavoj Zizek content instead of my previous hobby of listening to alt-right podcasts. Corbyn seems to be a promising figure too, right?

It's alright folks, I am not gonna read atm but I will save the PDF's for later reading.

I made some OC for them that I have seen reposted but it's only few images. More elaborate infographs they post are made by legit organizations pushing forward the propaganda, the poorly made ones are made by some bitter neets.

Yay! OP get´s to ==READ BOOKS!==

Here are some to start.

theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-ego-and-his-own

libcom.org/files/Murray_Bookchin_The_Ecology_of_Freedom_1982.pdf

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf

marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/

marxists.org/ebooks/lenin/state-and-revolution.pdf

Corbyn is a rising figure, but he has written very little theory; he is more of a standard politician in that regard. If you want some analysis of the modern world from a hard left perspective, look up ==Tony Benn== .

Fun fact: Richard Spencer is actually on the payroll of a white nationalist thinktank.
powerbase.info/index.php/Richard_Spencer
powerbase.info/index.php/National_Policy_Institute
sourcewatch.org/index.php/Pioneer_Fund

Not only will I laugh at you, but you too should learn to laugh at yourself. Without that it's easy to despair.

If you don't into politics, politics will into your anus. You can't escape.

Yes, you've got rid of some serious spooks. Now go read some books. I'd suggest trying to familiarize yourself with the basics of anarchism, socialism and other isms and what and when and why of their differences so you can have a more coherent ground to stand on. Unfortunately there's a lot of jargon-filled reading but its the path to understanding, can't learn from memes.

If you are against government tiranny but not against money you could always look for mutualism.

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Yeah also that, keeping up our reputation. [pic related]

Don't worry about it, this is probably something everyone experiences. Getting pulled into the hype, into the hysteria, especially when strong emotion is involved, is normal. We just need to learn to resist it.

I've actually heard this same anecdote time and time again here. We seem to have become a regular bogeyman for the right on chans.

Great! You can make propaganda!

It´s not your fault. Alienation under capitalism breeds supple minds, empty hearts, and beings in search of something to fill the void.

Not enough. If you see infighting on Holla Forums make sure to accuse dissidents of being from here.

I went through basically the same shit as faggot OP. Went to an alt-right rally cause a few of my friends were going and realized how retarded and cringy they were and I didn't want anything to do with them. They are too quick to cry Karltural Marxism when they don't even know what the fuck they are talking about. I seriously had to tell them about the Frankfurt School. Plus them blame minorities and jews at every turn and they never get to the heart of the issue like material conditions.
shitposting as a Nazi on Holla Forums was fun but the joke gets tired and IRL it is cringy as fuck

Welcome and don't worry about it. People like you are pouring in by the day now. The tide is turning

And if you are a full time graphic designer I could use your help and skills

I saved the content, thanks.

What pissed me off the most is that he shills for his russian wife and apologizes for soviets such as calling Holodomor a hoax.

I understand this. From the left, I have been always fascinated by anachist self-organizing and communities like Christiana in Copenhagen. These attempts have been kind of futile, but feel very grass-rootsy and (no pun intended) organic.

I definitely cannot be against currency and such. You guys need to understand that I cannot go into territory where I start believing that I am somehow helping the evil by simply pursuing my graphic design career.

Thank you, I agree.

Most people who attend to these events will not be your armchair "race realists" but kids who bought into the bullshit.

Thank you. I do have skills, I think I'll make use of it once I understand more and develop a clear vision on what I'd like to meme about. I had an idea that I really want to go back to 4/pol/ to use my understanding of memes and chan culture to post bait or copypasta that will play on their internal tensions and contribute to implosion of their cancerous little board.

They unironically think that the main purpose of Holla Forums is to come up with tactics on how to subvert "the success of Holla Forums".

If you are interested by anarchist self organisation in the west: look up the Greek Communes forming atm to deal with the de facto collapse of their government.

Also, having an effective professional shitposter is hilarious, welcome aboard famrade. Don't mind the tankies: they bite but don't have rabies.

Never happened, they were all kulaks and had it coming.
We started subverting them just to make them paranoid and start advertising us everywhere. We accidentally did it with reddit too but we were just trying to coup them to stop them coming here.

Not only that. Reddit is one of the largest english internet communities and all the leftist subs, especially the big name ones (socialism, communism, anarchism) are all controlled by the same clique of retarded idpol tankies. Leftypol couping a large subreddit like that could be a massave boost to the anti-identitarian left.

If you want ideological self-defense I recommend these two bad boys. Revolutionary Self-Theory is pretty short if you don't want to jump into something 200+ you could start with it.

Society of the Spectacle is to heavy imo, even Coming Insurection is hard to read. But Debt is awesome introduction material, here is a audiobook if you like to listen rather: unwelcomeguests.net/Debt,_The_First_5000_Years

Ecology of Freedom is bad Bookchin intro, the Next Revolution is better. There is an audiobook for that to: archive.org/details/thenextrevolution But there are also some pretty good speeches by Bookchin online.

Capital and Ego are possible to read, but not the best intro material and especially Capital is easier to understand if one reads shorter works before that. Wage Labour and Capital is good for example.

If you want to understand why Socialists are revolutionaries you can read Reform of Revolution by Rosa Luxemburg.

Surprised no one mentioned The Conquest of Bread from Kropotkin yet, its a very easy to read book that explains the basics well. Reading stuff like Homage to Catalonia can also be just fun if you dont like allways theory.

Yeah you're right the Spectacle is pretty heavy but I thought it would resonate with him. What's so hard with Insurrection?

I don't know if you are being ironic, but as an eastern yuropoor who had it's country raped by soviets (they wanted to turn one of our provinces entirely into industrial complex wasteland to mine economically toxic resources, for example) I cannot agree that soviets were the good guys.

Interesting, I'll try to look up. Thanks, I appreciate the welcome. Do you know any good ideas for shitposts? In my experience, one that is effective is playing the highly conspiratory angle as a sincere opinion, such as trying to paint Hitler as a zionist, shilling the flat earth theory, shaming people who are not on board with pizzagate and such.

What chances do you see in anti-identarian left making a headway on the internet in the near future? What I have observed is that the idpol left is eating themselves away over trans issues thingy a lot. On right idpol their 1# most divisive topic is arguing over which alt-right youtubers are "most redpilled" and they fail to reach a consensus over which ones they should support. One of the funniest dilemmas they face is that they still are deciding if Islam is "redpilled" for promoting traditional values or not, especially since high-ranking NSDAP members have been praising Islam as well. The "white sharia" meme is still going on about.

That is pretty fucked up and I wouldn't put it past them, but a lot of leftypol consider the holodomor Ukrainian nationalist propaganda. They don't dispute that people died, just the causes and intentions of the policies at the time.

its a meme

Saved it, thanks. Stirner sounds like an interesting figure. Some ancaps and libertarians even don't seem to mind him.

Maybe its just me, but I found it to be unenjoyable and weird, I read it and barely remember anything which is allways a sign of not really understanding it for me. I just took a quick look into it and its actually pretty clear but its written in a style you have to get used to.

Eh, I know the Nazbol stuff works: I've spoken on one of the like 7 discords to legit forer whitenats that were brought over through Nazbol.

I think the best thing is to alienate the fascists and ancaps: attacking trump just doesn't do the trick anymore

Holodomor is just one example though, there is a long list of unethnical behavior that soviets conducted, and not only during the war. I can look past the tankie stuff on Holla Forums just speaking my mind ITT.

As a meme it's pretty funny how on 9.May some trolls ramped up threads to connect downplaying Holodomor with Holocaust such as "muh 100 gorillion" and how Stalin "was based for killing all these jewish commies" or whatever.

Tbf there is legitimate academic debate over it: even Solzhenitsyn said it was due to bad planning, not deliberate. I, myself, haven't read enough to make a valued judgement tbh.

Might work but I still don't get how is this ideology operating. The way they speak they sound like they want to import North Korea-style communism for a white country.

I can focus on that.

As I remember it it's basically We're Going to Fuck Your Shit Up, Fam: The Book.

I dont really think the "anti-idpol" left will make headways, we just a non idpol left. I see cracks forming in the idpol front and as more and more leftist realise that they can get through again with a non idpol message things will look up. Things will moderate and idpol issues will be assimilated into liberal politics thus either becoming uninteresting for edgy people or removing them from the left as a whole.

I hope to see an influx, but we need a lot more youtubers and preferrably by people who are between 25 and 40, to counteract the kiddie demographic and give some validity to older people on the internet.

I hope this will go forward. Alt-right for example exploded over largely because of Trump's victory and Brexit, but they have shitty times at the moment because far-right parties are melting out currently all over europe because people are realizing that refugee crisis is not the 1# topic for everyone. Someone like Corbyn becoming PM would give more platform to non-idpol left voices in a similar way Trump's victory did to alt-right.

OP, people have been throwing some pretty heavy reads, but if you want to avoid being seduced by ideology, my advice is to understand the materialist conception of history. This is the basis for all Marxist social analysis, and people are just as likely today to fall for idealism on the left, which Marx and Engels refuted very early on. You need to develop a historical perspective to really understand what the socialist movement is all about.

You could start just as easily as reading the wikipedia page for "Historical Materialism", it's decent. I've got a .pdf paper from some journal that covers the basic points. Finally, there are several shorter works by Marx and Engels that are extremely important to read, and much more profitable than jumping straight into Capital. You can find them online very easilyl I recommend this order:
>Critique of the Gotha Programm

True, materialism is very important and even helpful for people with anarchist leanings. It also gives you a fundament to understand what Bookchin actually argues about.

Stop adhering to groups when you should look into actual ideology. Who is a part of a group should be irrelevant to you if it doesn't go with the political theory.

I am glad you've been reading this thread further and figured I have some anarchist leanings. I'll save the PDF, thanks!

Political theory?

OP I suggested some books earlier on but another user posting just reminded me to recommend Adam Curtis, he's not a socialist but he makes good films. If you like something artsy with lots of rare stock footage then I recommend Bitter Lake, a film about Afganistan, his most recent film is Hypernormalisation, a film about the world not seeming real, which is also worth watching. All of his films in general are worth watching if you want to ease yourself into some cynicism rather than reading heavy texts.

Also be aware that he willfully misleads you and glosses over things, he echoes a lot of what he is critical of deliberately in order to help you realise what it is he is saying by doing it himself, I would say it's a form of detournement.

If you like him after the first documentary dont follow it up with Hypernormalisation, stuff like the Power of Nightmares is better. Hypernormalisation is like the simplified condensed version of most of his previous documentations update and as thus way more enjoyable if you know what he is talking about.

Yeah good point actually, they're well worth watching in order.

and when I suggested Bitter Lake or Hypernormalisation, it was more based off the accessibility of the two compared, not that one should follow the other.

Polite sage for double bump

Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher is a good and not too long book that functions as a great companion piece to Hypernormalisation.

I forgive you user
I had a short Sarcuck of Mossad phase myself and I bought into all the antisjw hype for a couple months until I realized it was all leading to generic neocon shit at best.
I'd suggest shopping around and reading theory that catches your attention maybe unironically Google Murray Bookchin and see if he is to your taste.
Marx and Lenin are great though you should read them

Why would anyone unironically become a lefty or even a communist after being on Holla Forums? Chans are not exactly centers of intellectual discourse, but it should've exposed you to enough leads to learn and know better.

Crony capitalism sucks. Socialism sucks. Communism sucks.

Why do you people keep harping on communism after it's failed dozens of times and say "That wasn't REAL communism!"?

Humans are flawed. Give us power over others and we'll turn things to shit. If you want a communist society without some kind of power to enact force then you're dreaming. The best system is to limit power as much as possible. Allow small businesses to compete with larger ones by leveling the playing field on taxes, regulations, etc. Stop giving corporate welfare to cronies. Stop getting involved in stupid wars. Stop believing the "Free trade" meme and protect your workers. That's the closest we can get to perfect.

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I never even started a thread. Just 3-4 posts on a few threads (Including this one). You must have me confused for someone else.

:^) your not being very logical user

Fuck off liberal scum.

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Wew, this is particularly ironic considering you just said that
"What we have wasn't REAL capitalism, I know that capitalism has failed multiple times and has killed scores more than communism, but that was only crony capitalism!"
A classless society is the only way to avoid abuse of power user. Capitalism naturally leads to class formation.

Communism kills. Communism impoverishes. Go talk to some people from former communist countries.

Crony capitalism is better than communism. Capitalism without rampant cronyism can exist without being a totalitarian nightmare and although imperfect is better than crony capitalism and definitely better than communism.

Human nature naturally leads to class formation. The best we can do is make class mobility more fluid and make society as meritocratic as possible.

Why do you idiots always refuse to learn just a single thing about what you're talking about before going here and puking up tons of meaningless words and act like the most spoiled kid in the world when people don't take you seriously?
You're not unique. Not even a tiny bit, we have about 10 guys doing your shtick here every single day. Always with the same pictures, the same tired points and the same absolute refusal to read just a tiny thing about what you're talking about.
Fuck off, come back when you've realized that people smarter than you, who have thought more about this than you, also deserve some intellectual respect.
When you're at that point, you'll at least be able to hold an informative opinion instead of just spouting absolute garbage words at everyone around you.

This is complete bullshit, there are countless examples of classless societies that existed before capitalism existed. Capitalism isn't natural you fucking mongoloid, it's product of centuries of historical development. And to think that it's the best we could possibly do is naive at best.

Capitalism is the reason why the former soviet union is still so poor.

There are a lot of communists in former communist countries and some of them even visit leftypol. There's even a lot of non-communists in Eastern Europe that regard the communist era positively.

I have two questions.
1. What is human nature?
2. Why do you think communism would be stifled by whatever it is about human nature that leads to class formation while also thinking it would be possible to have capitalism that wouldn't develop into "crony capitalism".

Funny thing is, people DO ask people in former communist countries about these things, and a good number of people don't seem to agree with your assessment.

Thank you user. Just few days ago I thought that maybe the solution is to just moderate my views down to Skeptic community/Alt lite but then I figured they all shill so fucking much to Spencer and the other WN groups that it would just lead me back to alt right shit.

I didn't say I am becoming a communist. I am from a former communist eastern euro country myself, so knowing what I know, I have extremely conflicted time if I was looking to become a communist. If ANYTHING I will probably look forward to go for adopting some sort of Stirner-like anarchist perpective, but that all is too much ahead of me to say. In general, I made this thread just to say that Holla Forums has been really neat in it's criticism of the liberalism/right wing so far.
Then again this holds kinda true, in a sense that the middle-aged people I have spoken with have admitted to me that life during SU had some silver linings to it.

What the fuck is human nature?

Most people I've talked to who lived under Soviet rule hated the police and the government, they didn't hate communism as a concept. They are usually pretty educated on it

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