Thoughts on the DSA?

Are they crytop-succdems or do they actually have some leftist philosophies?

Best, last hope for socialism in America.

t. 'Merican.

SocDems with IdPol. That's considered socialist in Burgerland.

They support Rojava, which is obviously pretty shit so the radical left should dissociate themselves from them.

From what I know, they seem like Succdems that sometimes support strikes. They're the largest "Socialist" group in America though.

So do Turkish Hoxhaists and Marxist-Leninists

They are evil ultraleftist social-fascist trotskyite revisionist wreckers because they don't support the glorious anti-imperialist crusader Assad fighting against AmeriKKKa

topkek

Best organization in the US. There is idpol to deal with depending on your chapter, but that's the norm in the US as a whole.

Around the rose, hold your nose. More seriously, the best to reform conditions in the US to be conductive to revolution, namely the proletariat not being overworked or dying off because medical care was too expensive.

Assad is a neolib you cuck

They claim to be anti-capitalist but they're basically socdems like they were 100 years ago, where they claimed the same.
But considering it's the USA, they're doing a good job at destigmatizing socialism.

Social democracy is social fascism

It's a pretty even split tbh. Half of them are just Berniecrat succdems who constantly apologize for the Dems when they can get away with it and the other half are entryist Marxists

I agree with in that America's confused ass ideas about socialism make DSA the best hope for it in the USA if that makes sense

Shifting the Overton window makes perfect sense.

lots of anticommunists. they don't care about imperialism.

From what I've seen, this is pretty true, but most of the leadership are the explicitly anticapitalist Marxist entryist types, not the FDR-loving porky apologist types.

It's almost like it's in the name or something

but this is true

well meme'd my friend

I wish they weren't so spineless about idpol, but they're doing really good work around health care organizing in my corner of burgerstan.

smdh fam is there a way to tell 8ch to reset my flag after each post

CIA [email protected]/* */ and college kids who are too smart for the dems but not smart enough for real politics.

dogshit org that needs to adopt Marxist-Leninism

Which burger organization constitutes "real politics"? Genuinely curious

The ones that drop the pretense that we don't live in a rigged two party system and that capitalism can be "fixed."

Socdems. Join PSL or SA or something instead.

not a DSA stance
also not a DSA stance

Lmao if you don't like DSA than "join SA" is fucking awful advice. They spend like 80% of their time complaining that other orgs including the DSA are brocialist

I can pretend to be radical like the DSA too but unfortunately I want real change.

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we still are anti-capitalist, but go spreading porky's menes about social democracy (i'm not talking about the libshits who call themselves social democrats but are infact bourgeois neoliberals) not being anti-capitalist.
the difference between us and you oh so anti-capitalist anarcho shits is that we actually care about the living conditions of the working class under any premise, including capitalism here and now. that doesn't mean that we don't want to get rid of capitalism in favour of communism in the long run.


hi porky. it's not a rose, it's a red dianthus. it became the symbol of the worker's movement on the international socialist's congress on 1st of may 1889 in paris, france.

My argument is that they don't sufficiently critique capitalism and their party is not worth the effort in a country that cant have viable third parties at this point. Implicitly they have to somewhat believe the system is not rigged against them in order just to exist, I find that to be fool hardy. Until they do something of real substance they're just larpers attending a potential police bust.

It's highly dependent on your local chapter, some are just liberals while some are ran by legitimate Marxists.

Join PSL instead.

they're not even crypto socdems, they're pretty open about it

Did Michael Harrington, the DSA's founder, actually want to abolish capitalism? As in was he a reformist socialist, or a cappie socdem? I know he had contact with real leftists but I still can't tell 100% what he stood for.

protect your anus, when around the dianthus

Of course they know the system is rigged against them and that national politics are a disaster, which is why they've retooled to local efforts and pushing low level city/state legislation and build up the infrastructure and rosters necessary to fight national politics down the line.

You "refuting" me with hillary-libs and catchphrases is incredibly petty and non-sensical since they never even came close to endorsing or supporting hillary. At the very least call them out for being berniecrats or something but this just gives the impression you want to parrot memes instead of actually engaging.

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I talked to the DSA twitter account in the DMs and the guy running it said he was an ancom

He told me he was a posadist

There's probably multiple interns running the account

its a fucking big tent
from berniecrat succdems and actual demsocs to luxembourgists and the like

Awww user doesn´t know the difference between democratic socialism and social democracy :(

idpol is just being a decent fucking human being and acknowledging white supremacy and patriarchy exist, which is apparently too hard for the poor, poor, crypto reactionary Holla Forums dropouts on here

This. At this point, they're just trying to rally anyone on the left into a semi-coherent organization. From my understanding though, in line with their origins, a number of the party old guard are still Trots and push that program for its most radical elements.