How do you avoid depression and defeatism?

Accepting and expecting defeat isn't necessarily giving up. You don't need to be expecting the best, or even to win during life, to take action.

Says you.
Making efforts to build a new world is a lot of misdirected effort that should be focused on the negation of current conditions. You can build whatever you want but it will be corrupted.

What the fuck even is defeatism? What is there to do? All this arbitrary nonsense is making my head hurt.

Accepting you'll probably lose.
Destruction of existing authority.

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By becoming a nihilist leftcom.

Authentic living, zen meditation, dialectical philosophy, taking control of my own life, egoism, rational hedonism.

by focusing on the fact that our boards are just echo chambers of stupid shit and that very little of it has any real impact on life outside

Seriously. It's fine.

wow, you communists sure are very consistent

Unlike Holla Forums, we don't ban people for "consensus cracking" lel

you do though
Holla Forums's the one that doesn't

are you in self denial ?

You probably shouldn't put those bans in red text if you want to hide them.

drugs and lolicore music

Mind you I haven't been on Holla Forums since before the ban list was a thing.
Unless I'm remembering Holla Forums way wrong.

halfchan pol

gay

I've never been banned here for nazi-posting. I did get banned from Holla Forums once for a joke about communists, fuck if I remember what it was though. The ban only lasted an hour.

Alcohol, hookups, working out, vidya, films, books.

I don't.

Psilocybin Mushrooms
LSD
DMT
Ayahuasca
Iboga

By studying.

Bump. I want some hope

Read about what actually the situation was like in Russia before the October revolution and realize that compared to the Bolsheviks, Western European and American socialists have the power through mass action and propaganda to turn the tide of history completely.

There will be always leftist and rightists. The battle will continue forever.

Discard them. They're not worth keeping around.

If you're secure in the knowledge of who you are as a person, ie: "I'm working to change the world and I believe there will be a better future for humanity", then that's all you need going forward. Negative thoughts are only going to impede you and the people you can potentially help in the future.

Unhealthy amounts of escapism

Defeatism and nihilism affects different people differently.

For someone who is genetically predisposed to depression, The Black Pill is really hard to take. But at the same time, you can't unsee The Black Pill. It's like opening Pandora's Box.

There are nihilists who are fine with the fact that nothing matters. And that you might as well just make the most of life while you are still alive.

But for someone like me, I think the dopamine receptors in my brain are impaired. The things that normally give normalfags pleasure don't give me pleasure. You especially see this with people who have addictions. In my case, I'm addicted to the internet, porn/masturbation, fat, salt, refined sugars, etc. All sorts of instant gratification. But then you build a tolerance for it and then you become numb to it. I'm basically numb and always trying to find distractions. Whether it's work, Netflix, porn, shitposting, whatever.

Psychiatric drugs sometimes help people. But aren't they basically like watered down recreational drugs? A recreational drug feels great at first. But then eventually you develop a tolerance to it just like anything else. I have to imagine psychiatric drugs are the same way.

We're born with a "chemical imbalance" in our brains. And using psychiatric drugs to correct that balance is akin to throwing shit on the wall and seeing if it will stick.

Normalfags I notice seem to always be so happy and laughing all the time. Even though they are wage cucks and their lives are shit. It's like they are easily amused.

This is a heavily slanted view, imo. There's a shit ton of people on some sort of medication that helps them cope. Who knows how many more self-medicating with alcohol/drugs/overeating etc. My parents were the Chad and Stacy archetype and they both drank themselves to death.

Fuck off Marth. Don't you have a cripple to go bully?

Our brains are fine. The trouble is that we're in a social system which is not in tune with our brains.

A lot of normalfags put on the appearance they're always happy. A lot of them are also miserable underneath.

1) Take care of yourself.
Not the bullshit "maintain your brand and keep working for porky under extreme conditions" kinda shit.
Move your body somehow, do a regular exercise routine in whatever way you can actually do (be it true /fit/ or…… *shudders* cardio). Drink water and not capitalist sodas or energy drinks. Sit outside in public parks and use other public services (libraries, town events) for pleasure. See if you can help to improve these spaces for other people. Learn how to love yourself and accept yourself and do what you need to do to become someone you can love and accept. Get sun during the day and always try to sleep at night. Get rid of things you don't need. Establish your humanity.

2) Learn how to cook.
Buy less from big brands and chains. Be frugal and use spices. Save food. Invite people over and cook for them or together. This does many things for comradery.

3) Be aware.
Write down observations about life around you. Sit in silence and stillness occasionally. No thinking, no games, no reading, no anything. Make the effort to do and think and feel nothing. Getting caught up in the rush and spectacle of capital can make you lose connection with your real self. Work to know yourself.

4) Connect with people.
Try and keep headphones out unless you are performing solo, menial tasks so that you can be an active participant in the world around you. Take long walks. Speak with one person in a safe place and hold a conversation. It can be at your local grocery store, library, work, school, or online at least once a week. Do it when it is natural. Don't force it. Dealienate yourself and attempt to dealienate others. If you can join/start any leftist group, good. But focus on connecting with people before you starting thinking about engaging in revolutionary practice. Learn useful interpersonal skills like first-aid and a language or two.

4) Find 2-3 solid hobbies.
Studying Leftism and Leftist works should be one of these, but don't overwhelm yourself by having all your waking life invested into Leftism (I see way too many people burn out this way). Build or repair something with your own hands. Be it a large construction project or origami. Create. Be a human being outside of your studies and/or occupation. Remember how to genuinely have fun and destress by doing so.

This isn't just for you comrade. It's for all of us.

In anarchist and autonomous movements, action has historically been the best antidote to depression. If you feel like you're changing the world, the depression abates. Rioting, hacking, shutting something down are great mood-boosters. The trouble is that the system is now too good at making action impossible or making it fail. Action is no good as a mood boost if you get kettled, or five of you turn up and have no impact, or you go to jail and get traumatised.

Living in countercultural or ecological spaces for as much as your life as you can, is also good for mood if you can manage it.

Also analyse the structures behind your suffering. Read people like David Smail, Mark Fisher, Bruce Levine, Chellis Glendinning, Eduardo Duran, Franco Berardi, Hakim Bey, maybe Zerzan's stuff on psychology, maybe Wilhelm Reich and his followers, maybe Situationist stuff like the Book of Pleasures. Look into Bourdieu's "conservation of violence". Think of your suffering as an effect the system is having on you, and get angry about it.

I wish Somatherapy was more widespread. It was literally designed for use by Brazilian revolutionary guerrillas struggling with depression and trauma.

meet people who have it even worse than you. Volunteer at homeless shelters, go to 12 step programs, volunteer to move patients around at a hospital.

Tried all that. It didn't matter at all when push came to shove. Do I kill myself now?

What is the hurry?

Continuous fury.

All of those things you listed are nice and all but there is a fatal flaw in your thinking. I can't find in it myself to try anymore, at all. I already tried doing every single one of those things you mentioned and none of it helped and I can't see the point on trying it again. All I see in my future is more suffering, worse living conditions as my country (not an american btw) turns more and more right wing populist, worsening climate change. My birthday was a few days ago (24yo). Every time I remember that, you have no idea how hopeless I feel. I can't find a point at all to keep on trying. Your advice, while well intended, is useless to me.

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This guy is right but I think it needs to be more explicitly stated that sex and romance are maybe the best ways to tackle alienation. You can go through anything when you have some cute thing waiting for you after your shift.

en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ahzirr_Traajijazeri

"Fusozay Var Var": "Enjoy Life"
Life is short. If you have not made love recently, please, put down this book, and take care of that with all haste. Find a wanton lass or a frisky lad, or several, in whatever combination your wise loins direct, and do not under any circumstances play hard to get. Our struggle against the colossal forces of oppression can wait.
Good. Welcome back.
We Renrijra Krin live and fight together, and know that Leyawiin and the Empire will not give way very soon, likely not in our lifetimes. In the time we have, we do not want our closest comrades to be dour, dull, colorless, sober, and virginal. If we did, we would have joined the Emperor's Blades.
Do not begrudge us our lewd jokes, our bawdy, drunken nights, our moonsugar. They are the pleasures that Leyawiin denies us, and so we take our good humor very seriously.

I don't think you know how that works…

Yea it seems like normalfags self-medicate a lot with marijuana, alcohol and even worse. They do a really good job of hiding their depression I guess. When I'm hanging out with normalfags, you can tell that I'm in a downer mood and out of my element. I just wanna get out of there.

I comfort eat a lot (luckily I'm not obese but definitely chubby) but eating fat, salt and sugar is a temporary high. It's over when you are done eating. And the effect is lessened the more that you do it. Just like drugs.

I used to really love pizza for example and now I'm sick of pizza. Now I want chicken tendies (no joke. lol) but the chicken places are all closed at night when I go out to eat (since I'm basically like a hikikomori and there are way too many people during the day. Even Wal-Mart closes before 11pm here and Wal-Mart is still packed at 10:30. Fuck.

Meaning?

Also is it just me or are chicken tendies expensive as fuck?

6 pieces cost $8.49 CAD here. What the fuck.

I can get a medium white pizza with spicy Italian sausage (my favourite pizza) for $8.99. Far more food. But sick of pizza.

Telling someone that suffer from alienation to go and "have a fuck" is nearly the same as telling someone poor to "stop being lazy". It's asinine

No wonder you're depressed.

I hate going to Wal-Mart. I wanna go there to get a couple frozen chicken pot pies to eat tonight (I have a fucked up sleep schedule). But it closes before 11pm and it's still fucking packed at night. Fuck. I hate it here in the suburbs. Wish I could go to a Wal-Mart at 1AM.

Being around a lot of people in a huge store like Wal-Mart makes me fucking anxious. And the busy parking lot. Why the fuck are normies shopping at 10:30PM? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

This is kind of interesting. Normies are living in such a different world that they cannot imagine your existence.

I never said it was like super easy but what else can I tell you, humans need human contact, if you keep trying and do those other things you will eventually find it.

you have to go when people are eating

I haven't had sex in like 6 months, it sucks, but I know why I'm unhappy and I'm trying to remedy it.

Yeah. Exhibit A:

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NOT giving me asinine "advices" would be a great start

Oh okay guys, you're right, there is no hope for you, truly people like me can never understand. Is that what you wanted to hear, life is so hard, just give up, so you don't have to try?

isn't there a containment thread for this shit?

I don't think so?

Just find another job. Start a business.

I don't mean to be a dick, but in this case it seems you can't understand what you haven't experienced. You'd understand that responding with 'sex and romance are maybe the best ways to tackle alienation' is cruel if you did.

There were some articles that sort of tackled this on slatestarcodex at around the gamergate era, but I can't remember their titles.

there ya go

What did you expect him to say?
Try to have some sympathy.

Nihilism the cool kind, not the gay kind

Look, I do understand it, that's why I'm trying to give you advice, if I didn't care I wouldn't. I'm not some fucking normie, I spend all my time either online or at work, and I suck at making friends or relationships, but that's why I have to work at it, I'm not trying to tell you just bee urself, it is hard, but if you want to know how to not be depressed that's how.

by not being far left

Yeah okay and what is he doing to find a cute gf? If he's doing everything he can then okay he can complain like why no gf but if you aren't on dating sites and tinder and meetup and going out and doing things it's pointless to whine that some welcome to the NHK girl hasn't burst into your room to save you from yourself.

I stopped jacking off

Your advice was.
You think you understand, but you don't.

This tbqh. Ignorance is a bliss.

Look I had the same reaction as you when I was a virgin, but really I'm not trying to say 'just do it', I understand it's hard but happiness is something you have fight for and grab with both hands, nobody is going to give it to you. You don't like me telling you that you have to confront things that scare you if you want to be happy but that's the only thing I can give you, I can't give you some secret wisdom, you already know what you want, you have to take the steps to achieve it.

I've become the emotionless leftist cuckservatives hate. If I fall into that stereotype or cliche big whoop. Becoming a pragmatic narcissist is probably the only thing helping me survive this capitalist piss hole we call America.

The flaw is probably that they are all self-help proposals. They don't provide meaning in life or hope for the future. Hence the need for a political outlet too. Though, I think kundalini-type practices and contact with nature can help with the feelings of meaninglessness too.

Look into Kondratieff wave theory. We are approaching a crisis point, after which there will be either system collapse or an upturn. If you can survive the next 10 to 20 years, things will get better (one way or the other).

It's worth looking into other options anyway. If you're gonna die anyway, why not do something risky and see if it works? Did you think of moving somewhere with a better political climate? Living on a commune? Doing solidarity work in a poor country? Squatting in Europe? Fighting in Rojava? Living in a motorhome? Building a cabin in the middle of nowhere and waiting the crisis out?

Not sure about this Freudian idea that relationships provide meaning… a lot of people I know seem to be miserable because of relationships. They get abused, or they have on again-off again relationships which hurt a lot, or they get rejected all the time, or their relationships reproduce the same twisted patterns over and over. Relationships take energy, they're hard work.

On the other hand, I wish orgies were still a thing.

Being serious here. You may think you're not so different from people like me (I'm ), but you are. Just the fact that you think there is a way out of your """""""hole""""""" is enough of a difference to show that. Comparing your 6 months drought to to being completely alienated of those around you, more often than not involuntarily, is not a valid comparison by any means, if not downright cruel
Your empty platitudes are not helpful nor welcome. We already get those from our ashamed family members. If you think any of those actually are worth anything, sorry if I sound ungrateful to you, but you're delusional.

Look man, I'm on a huge course of SSRIs, I could read you my litany of woe if you want but that's pointless, a platitude would be 'it gets better', you're right, it won't get better, unless you make the effort yourself to make things better. Go get counselling, get some pills, do something, you can't sit there and mope and expect things to change. I have my days where I want to jump in front of traffic but when you're doing things to improve your situation those feelings become less and less. If you truly feel like I can never understand your problems and I'm done Chad then I'm sorry.

I went from loner inside autist to Basically A Normal Guy in highschool thanks, mostly, to therapy. Most people can't afford it which fucking sucks, and is one of the main reasons I'm a lefty at all. Professional Therapy ought to be a god given right.

No, an empty platitude would be exactly what you're doing. You give these generic advices that we've heard a thousand times before, not stopping to consider any particularity to each individual's situation, before going on your merry way with a warm, fuzzy feeling in your belly because you know you did the right thing. For example, "counselling and pills". Who's going to pay for that? Because with how my wallet is, sure as shit ain't gonna be me. What you give is the self-help version of "pull yourself by the bootstraps". it's completely asinine.

And like I said in , I've already tried. Again and again and again. Sports, hobbies, eating healthy, all of those empty platitudes, I've already tried them. None of them made a difference. After a while you kind of get tired of kissing brick wall after brick wall and just give up.

You don't. We have already been defeated. The Soviet Union is gone, we are fucked. Malthusian catastrophe is coming. Mass famines, desertification, global warming, pollution, wars for fresh water, etc.

There's still some time before the 10 billion mark.

I don't know, can't you get Medicaid or something? Or go on your parents insurance? If not then there are free options for therapy, might not be any in your area but have you checked? If you can't afford a prescription then you can buy SSRIs online from semi legal sites in bulk, have you tried to do that? If this was self help then I would give you 50 paragraphs of meaningless psuedo philosophy, I'm just giving you my honest advice. Yes some people have it harder than others, yes life isn't fair, no things shouldn't be like they are, but those don't matter, it's still up to you to fight for your own life.

Have you even read the posted I linked you, three times now? Specifically, this part
I live in the third world, nigga. Granted, not as bad as third world can be, but still is third world.

Is it Brazil?

Is anyone else just fucking horrified of the future? I'm totally afraid that the apocalypse– or something analogous, is gonna kill humanity off by the end of my lifetime. It sucks and I'm petrified

And sadly so

At every awaken moment

Why do you care about that? You'll be dead if it happens.

Easy!
I follow the best ideology around. 100% assured victory.

It's less about being dead and more about the dying. Sounds horrifying, dying a violent death, knowing that humanity won't survive.

If it's a nuclear war it won't last long. Unless you survive the blast. Watch Threads BTW.

I'm also a bit sceptical of self-help because it doesn't get to the root problem, but there are certainly options.

Depending where in the Third World you are, you may be able to get cheap generic drugs. They give out stronger stuff more easily than in rich countries.

A number of alt-therapies are accessible free on the Internet if you want to experiment. Different types of yoga, visualisation, stuff like that.

Some psychoanalysts offer free/cheap sessions for poor people, if they go with a trainee analyst. If you're in a country with a lot of psychoanalysts (i.e. Latin America), this is worth looking into.

Believe it or not, recovery from psychological problems is actually more likely in poor countries (source: Bruce Levine), partly because you're less likely to be hospitalised or heavily drugged. From a social movement point of view, there should be something interesting going on near you.

BY understanding that loos, and defeat aren’t an option.