I'm so confused about North Korea. How bad is it really? I have a favorable opinion of Kim Il Sung...

I'm so confused about North Korea. How bad is it really? I have a favorable opinion of Kim Il Sung, but what about today? Are there really labor camps? Are people really starving? Did they really kill that kid? I feel like some of it's true, but theres so much propaganda, its hard to tell what's real and what isn't.

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eastsidemarxism.wordpress.com/dprk-misconceptions/
prb.org/Publications/Articles/2010/northkorea-population.aspx
hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/north-korea
rhizzone.net/article/2016/05/28/songbullshit/
youtu.be/UsxAUyVet8A
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It's a shithole and on the left only retarded teenage contrarians defend it

Sure, but then there's the question of whether or not declaring war on them would be justified. I would be surprised if any leftist was for intervening.

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Ironic cancerposting is still cancerposting.

there were labor camps under Kim Il Sung too

Stay spooked nerd

not starving for the most part when people refer to starvation there they mostly refer to the great famine after soviet collapse though there have been rumors of mini famines occurring afterwards but though people are not well fed they dont really have the "we gotta eat grass" kinda famines anymore.

There's really no trusting the specifics on anything with that country, but labor camps are real(dunno exactly whats happening in there appart from labor and probably mean stuff). Dunno if som MSM posted some theory about them killing the kid but either way them keeping his condition hidden is plenty to know they bad. Not hell on earth country as some will make it sound but pretty shitty place to live.

What do you mean? They have prison labor like 100 other countries.

Bullshit. They are some food shortages after 1991 because the imports from the USSR stopped. But now they are sustainable again.

Doctors didn't find any traces that he had been messed with. Just a tragic incident

Define bad. It's a socialist country that is boycotted by the entire world. They don't have homelessness, they have very good education, no unemployment, extremely clean streets, renewable energy and a growing economy. They don't have the slums of South Korea, but obviously also not access to western consumer products. But since most western leftists care more about their vidya than about socialism, they will denounce it and propagate anti-communist propaganda which they copy 1:1 from CNN.

Holy fuck man. I know you are shitposting but this sort of spookposting really grinds my gears.

Checkout those DPRK 360 videos on YouTube. Pyongyang genuinely seems like a better organized and cleaner Bangkok.

nice proofs

What kind of proof do you want? There a plenty of videos about life in the DPRK out there. Are you seriously thinking people in North Korea are starving?

Wow, where did you find such stunning statistics?

Oh, the North Korean government? Well, case closed. Turns out it really is Best Korea. All those satellite images that show the vast majority of the country is without electricity are clearly just NASA propaganda.

I'm going to post the links I've posted in the other thread

eastsidemarxism.wordpress.com/dprk-page/

eastsidemarxism.wordpress.com/north-korean-socialism/

eastsidemarxism.wordpress.com/dprk-sanctions/

eastsidemarxism.wordpress.com/dprk-misconceptions/

That's because DPRK has a way lower population density than South Korea, you idiot.

Go fuck yourself.

defend the headquarters of the revolution.

don't buy into imperialist propoganda, north korea a victim of imperialist aggression just like syria

Right. And Saddam had WMD.

Post an argument or fuck off, shill

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Also, I just looked it up and NK's pop density per square mile is roughly the same as SK's you fucking liar.

Of course its not justified, its still a shithole. War is almost never justified.

NK's OWN 2008 census showed that the country was doing pretty shitty.

prb.org/Publications/Articles/2010/northkorea-population.aspx

I should have been more precise. The population density per square mile doesn't say much about the population distribution and that is AFAIK different than in South Korea since most of the area is mountains

Anyway, if you talking about those satellite images: You can see the fucking same in Germany because the former Eastern Bloc countries used different lightbulbs. Berlin has the same divide. Pic related.

It's hell on Earth and all you communist niggers should be airlifted there ASAP.

Also explain to me this: why do fascist countries always end up with a much higher standard of living than commie ones? See: Singapore

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Also HRW has a pretty scathing report on them and I'd hardly call the imperialist propagandists.

hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/north-korea

And just to clarify: I'm not saying there isn't a MASSIVE Western media campaign to demonize NK. And I'm not saying economic sanctions aren't hugely preventing the country from achieving its full potential. But it is still objectively a shitty country.

Have you actually read the article? It talks about decline in nutrition and life expectancy since 1991, which is pretty fucking obvious since they have to be autarkical since then. I wrote that myself above.

I love the mental trick this article plays on you: It doesn't describe the difference of the consensi done in recent years, but rather tries to draw a figure describing the decline since 1991.


Your economic policy isn't sustainable. It either ended up in an apocalyptic war or reverted back to run-of-the-mill liberalism like under Franco or Pinochet.

Are you one of those people that thinks Singapore is ethnically homogeneous too?

What?

They don't have sources for the Songbun discrimination. They originally introduced it so people who were fighting for the South weren't granted access to public offices. Some western authors tried to spin this in the way that its apperently a racist cast system, but they never actually source it or go there.

rhizzone.net/article/2016/05/28/songbullshit/

Determine for yourself OP.

Friendly reminder to ignore all tankposters.

youtu.be/UsxAUyVet8A

No, but neither was Italy. It's almost like multiculturalism works without a ((certain race)) and its pets.


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Thanks, I was actually looking for that article.

I mean you can say all you want that the HRW isn't imperialist propaganda but they are using highly dubious sources from western authors who say themselves that they make their statements conditionally and use "apperently" in front of every sentence.

oh good another Best Korea thread full of autistic tankie screeching