Are pirates proto-communists?

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Pirates were lumpenproles.

explain how

are there any marxist studies of pirate settlements? that would be interesting

Not really. Stealing products from porky made by other people is not communism. You dont produce value, you only destroy and leech off of society.
Not that the rich didnt deserve it. But its not communism. You dont own the means of production with which you create value.

at least one pirateposter who hangs out here can answer this. Hopefully he finds this thread.

Not that dude but this is actually a pretty good explanation tbh

We already had threads like this, people wants to centrally plan pirate memes as a counteroffensive to Holla Forums's crusader memes but nothing ever comes out and I think its because the lack of sources to meme

pirate and mercenary are the ideals of the right:

might makes right
you are entitled to nothing you cant take yourself
you have no rights you cant defend
fierce competition
strength is the only thing that matters, everything else are excuses
excuses and complaining have no merit
the weak are eaten first, the wounded thrown overboard
hierarchical organization ensuring peak efficiency
freedom from taxation

various desparados, pirates, mercenaries, explorers, forlorn hope, hussars (comes from slavic gusar, meaning pirate, a land pirate in this case) etc etc
all worshipped by the right

leftist ideology is about burdening yourself with the weak and some other mental gymnastics about weakness not being a bad thing and also about making yourself uncompetitive
so i dont get it

wdhmbt?

this is a pretty excellent quality bait honestly. I could imagine a right wing person saying this if they were genuinely retarded.

Wtf I'm a rightist now.

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I think proto-communist would be a largely appropriate label for the small pocket societies they formed together, though they were by no means ideologically coherent or cognizant enough for it to be considered a "movement." They would be largely akin to utopianists who did not approach the enactment of social change through systemic understanding. One thing that is interesting is how pirates often came into power among their various havens; they practiced what might best be described as an early form of dual power whereas the pirates and colonial governments existed as separate self-sustaining institutions until the pirates were more-or-less invited to the seat of power in the face of the colonial government's inadequacy.


Their society was not without production: from by understanding, pirate settlements harbored most socially necessary professions (shipwrights, food/drink, naval supplies, etc). Granted their starts were often marked by ludicrous excess causing economic downturn, some of the longer-lasting pirate havens were better organized/controlled. The main income source still was piracy/privateering mind you, but to assert that they only leeched simply isn't accurate.

isnt socialism all about helping the helpless? all about taxing the productive and incentivizing the unproductive tho? punishing the people who made the right choices in life and encouraging those who made awful life decisions?
and complaining about it all being unfair?
nobody cares about the theory, i wanna see your ideology in practice, i dont care for mental gymnastics


who is 'we'?
if you mean europeans, you need to look up european history

look up theory :^)

define unproductive.
define awful life choices.
look up theory

European history mostly consists of incestual monarchies and dying from the Plague.

socialism doesnt even have a PO box
it doesnt have a physical location
it doesnt exist
therefore it is absolutely trivial how you define it
i could take an apple and call it socialism for all i care, there, this apple is a socialism lol

no one cares for definitions, theories, or excuses
people just want results


nah, it was great for those who were great

Most Europeans were savages till the Middle-Eastern influenced Greeks and Romans tamed them, even then this didn't do Rome or Greece any good.

Whilst Islamic culture stagnated the East, they were never so myopic to commit their own 4th Crusade.

In any case, stop masturbating to marble statues, Rome and the Renaissance were relatively inspiring, but compared to us, they're savages by comparison.

and yet no one wants to go to the islamic world, just like all communism attempts, people actually want to run away from it
if you mean persia and egypt, those happened B E F O R E islam, and islam D E S T R O Y E D those
Greek civilization was flowering B E F O R E islam ever existed. Greeks couldnt be influenced by illiterate Arab buttnaked tribes killing each other. They had the same thing in Europe, why would Greeks travel to Arabia to be inspired by savagery if they already had it in Europe?
Yeah well if muslims are so great, why couldnt they defend themselves??
Stole numbers from Indians and proceeded to translate Greek texts they forgot to burn after they burned library of Alexandria.

0/10

Move to the muslim world, pro tip: you wont.

Wow the cognitive dissonance is strong in this post, how did you infer all of that garbage from what I wrote:


I stand by my original post, for someone who apparently loves "Western" culture so much, you act like it peaked 500 - 2000 years ago, depending on which Total War game is flavour of the month.

the Islamic Golden Age happened centuries later while Europe was still in the middle ages.
you mean like how the Greeks and Romans plagarized their neighbors? Every civilization steals shit, get over yourself.

This, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Pirates where proto-anarchists.

By the flower of the proletariat, I mean above all that great mass, those millions of the uncultivated, the disinherited, the miserable, the illiterates, whom Messrs. Engels and Marx would subject to their paternal rule by a strong government – naturally for the people’s own salvation! All governments are supposedly established only to look after the welfare of the masses! By flower of the proletariat, I mean precisely that eternal “meat” (on which governments thrive), that great rabble of the people (underdogs, “dregs of society”) ordinarily designated by Marx and Engels in the picturesque and contemptuous phrase Lumpenproletariat. I have in mind the “riffraff,” that “rabble” almost unpolluted by bourgeois civilization, which carries in its inner being and in its aspirations, in all the necessities and miseries of its collective life, all the seeds of the socialism of the future, and which alone is powerful enough today to inaugurate and bring to triumph the Social Revolution.

if all civilizations steal a thing, who first made the thing?
typical leftist cyclical bullshit that leads nowhere, and according to which there exists no personal responsibility for anything, and no right or wrong (leftist academia, hyper relativistic garbage that produced 0 solutions to anything so far, can only criticize but cant create), etc

im sure pirates were social workers btw, going around wasting welfare on the worthless

is that most rightists believe in property rights and social order

I guess I'm right wing then.

you went from 0 to 100 real quick fam.

yeah
nobody likes guns and military discipline and innawoods larping because its fun
nobody joins the military because they like their nanny state, we do it to get basic training and some combat experience

weapons are sources of all our rights, those who expect "the social effort" or daddy government or someone else's taxes to feed and clothe them should rightly die out when that doesnt happen

unless we are the law, we dont like the law
unless we are the government, we dont like the government


commies cant be right wing because they think they are innocent exploited poor dears
as if your dish washing really produced all the vaccines and engines in this world
as if braindead manual labor entitles you to luxury in this life

there are no leftist separatists, because they know that they arent exploited, just worth almost nothing, so you never see any of them wanting to secede from the evil boss caricatures, but swarm them like flies swarm the shit
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This and now the Holla Forums dox girl with t-shit thread…

We are being raided comrades; take cover!

we aren't liberals
so you're ok with a group of workers arming themselves, hanging you from a telephone pole, and seizing your property, right? You can't rely on daddy government to protect you after all.

The Babylonians, dumbass. Ever opened a history book?

Why don't you post your address and we'll see how faggy leftists can really be?

First we make LARPing reddit shitters like you fuck off

>>1792779
Get a load of this strength

NOPE

If anything, pirates were proto-narcos.

And yet

at what costs?
fascist ideals are alive and well in capitalism
where the fuck is communism?
total product of your whole ideology can be summed up just as 'wasnt real that time' and that's literally all you have
wasnt the soldier in that picture starved by his own commie government a month after that pic btw??

you faggots cant even ban me properly
neither can you pay the rent with mental gymnastics about being exploited and unemployable at the same time

value comes out of problem solving ability
out of 'smart labor' if you will
and the poor are largely just stupid
and genocide of the poor and the weak is therefore desirable
hence why capitalism works if you work(USER WAS BANNED PROPERLY FOR THIS POST)

Oh wait…

is this a rap

is this an argument?

Come on mods, let us play some poke-the-retard.

I'd see them more as proto-egoists or proto-illegalists. The belief that, if I am able to take something then I deserve it falls into those.

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Reminder you never refuted labor theory of value in the lolbert thread my man

Are you the libertarian that has meltdowns and starts posting crazy shit about street sweepers, missiles and baboons?
Goddamn man, get to the therapist. It cant be good living with this much pent up misanthropy.

Nice non-arguments

Just remember no matter what you say your dreams were utterly crushed and your feeble ideology was broken for all the world to see
Nothing will ever change that