Hey guys, technocrat tripfaganon here, what does Holla Forums feel about Irish Republicanism/Nationalism...

COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS

COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN

Actual Irish person from Northern Ireland reporting.

I think Irish nationalism/republicanism is largely a thing of the 20th century that isn't actually going to do future socialist movements any good. Virtually every nationalist organization has submitted to liberalism (ESPECIALLY fucking Sinn Fein) and what we need is not a united Ireland it is a global international socialist revolution.

Don't bully the Welsh! They are qts and have qt accents.

You seem abit confused, friend.

Pretty much all of them are revisionist, soc-dem or trotskyist.
Even if there was a real socialist organization, any attempt at a revolution would just give the UK an excuse to enlarge their colonial state in the north.

There's literally no difference between the English and the Irish.

The free state doesn't have half the revolutionary potential that the UK does anyway.

Modern IRA =/= 1910s IRA, be that clear to yer. Most of them are catholic reactionaries that pretend to be socialists: a true comrade cares for the implementation of the revolution regardless of national boundaries. The modern IRA were effectively drug peddlers and bombed up prole areas for the cause of national liberation: not socialism. I fully respect the wishes of the Northern Irish, and fuck the loyalists too: but hte republicans were just a bunch of cunts that turned a civil rights movement into a national liberation struggle.

Now Larkin, Larkin was a based son of a gun that deserved to revered in England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. Uniting the catholic and protestant communities to stick it to the bourgeoisie. A true hero of the proletariat.

The old IRA weren't exactly socialists either. That would be the Irish Citizen Army. The IRA of the war of independence/civil war era had their fair share of Catholic reactionaries as well that had no interest socialism - it's no coincidence that upon the conclusion of those wars we didn't get an all-Ireland socialist republic - we got a divided theocratic vassal for English capital.

Which was totally necessary.

The Brits were never, ever going to let us just vote and complain their power away like liberals think civil rights works. They were bringing their violence to our communities and if we were going to resist that we were going to have to send it right back. And it worked, it worked far better than sitting on our hands and waiting for the government to grow a conscience would have.

Brits out.

Beware of perfidious albion.

I don't know that much about the IRA and have yet to form a solid opinion on them but this will forever be a tune

The issues I have are twofold:
1) the rapidity of the escalation
2) the nature of the escalation hitting the working class of the mainland

The former meant it suddenly became a war: rather than a civil rights struggle. Therefore the "british" were pitted against "the irish" rather than "the people" vs "the establishment". The initial movement a decent amount of protestant support, but as it escalated so quickly after Bloody Sunday, the protestants were turned off the movement as it became about union with the Republic rather than democratic reform in Ulster. The second point pertains to the british public: suddenly the working class of areas like the West Midlands were under attack from the IRA, and thus the working classes of both countries were pitted against eachother. As such, suddenly the loyalists become the "good guys" since they fight against the IRA who are bombing us for no goddamn reason. The GB bombing campaign was not only detrimental to the cause of socialism but detrimental to the cause of civil rights of the catholic population of the north.

The issue in the hard left is that 1) most people see 1910s IRA = 1970s IRA, which is not true whatsoever, and 2) that the IRA were some largely Marxist organisation and thus are excused of all the shit things they did: which they were not and are not.
t. Anglo-Celt

So, how did the marxist IRA rectify its catholicism with its ideology and why was the catholic church so weird about its stance on them i.e. Never clearly stated to be for or against it, just made passing mention about violence and kept mostly silent.

Yeah I know not bombing England would have made it look better to English people but I'd rather not get shot by British security forces with impunity. It was the IRA that were actually defending us from literal violence, not random labour organizers in England. I know who I have more to thank for my relative safety from the police, the army and loyalist right wing death squads.

It was the British government and capital who divided the working class the moment they decided to single us out for sectarian oppression. All the IRA did was refuse to take it.

And the division between "Catholic" and "protestant" in NI extends far beyond bloody Sunday. It has existed has existed for centuries and has always been a thorn in the side of the labour movement, as exemplified in the general strike of 1919.

The IRA didn't make much of a point of being Catholic. They weren't like Francoist forces in Spain out to defend the Catholic church, they just happened to mainly consist of Catholics because it's Catholics that were getting singled out by the British state.

Because it would be suicide for the Catholic church in Northern Ireland to take a hard opposition to it and it would be bad press more generally to support it.

tiocfadh ar la ye feisty fenians the eternal anglo is the real jew and they has been now for hundreds of years, they are masters of subversion however and have been controlling both sides of that fubar for awhile now, Ra shouldve kept their promise and offed some fucking bankers who knows mighta actually helped

this user fuckin gets it

rude

They did some good stuff. Nowadays it's dead and lost sight of the original aims though.

I listened to the radio war nerd episode on this , episode 75. The strategists in the PIRA come off as these brilliant people. And also fighting for a just cause.

And as already stated, anyone standing up to the eternal Anglo is automatically good

youtube.com/watch?v=jTJQkhWZekI

youtube.com/watch?v=2rgRg6j8mQo

James Connolly was a syndicalist fam he is most based

wasn't he more of a marxist?
marxists.org/archive/connolly/index.htm

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i stand with the IRA

fuck off josh you made darren cry

CONNOLY WAS NAZDELEON!!!