I for one support freeze peach. If it was illegal for nazis to advocate for nazi shit...

I for one support freeze peach. If it was illegal for nazis to advocate for nazi shit, how would we know who deserves a beating? Discuss

But if we let everyone speak, we'll be stuck listening to liberal horseshit too

Free speech is unironically important, even from a tankie perspective. Every ML state so far hasn't had it and so the state ends up accidentally becoming oppressive, creating stagnancy in a populace that's afraid of presenting any ideas and upsetting people.

It's not even like having it would be so much a threat to the state. Liberals would be laughed out of town if they supported reallocating capital to themselves over the people, and Fascists, though slightly more of a threat, can be repelled by actually delivering improvements to the people's quality of life and ensuring that the government doesn't advantage or seem to advantage any particular demographic or region over any other one.

what's the deal with not liking free speech?

seriously

If we didn't have free speech, couldn't the state just fuck over leftists more than they already do?

We support it, we just hate it because it annoys us.

[THIS IS WHAT MLs ACTUALLY BELIEVE]

I support free speech in the capitalist state.

But you can bet if I had the power I would be handing out tickets to the gulag left right and centre.

free speech leads to degen.eracy

The moment the civil war is over there is zero reason to limit free speech.

The reason i don't want people censored is because i am people. I don't want anyone having an excuse to shit on me because i said something they don't like. It's not even an effective form of control, if someone is determined to make information circulate they will do it. Soviet russia literally had a right wing coup and they censored all sorts of speech.

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Pretty sure none of us are against freeze peach. I'm assuming a sizeable chunk of us think freeze peach needs to come with some stipulations.

Anyway. Fundamentally leftism is against racist and nazi shit. So, yeah…that's how we'd know.

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Based Rosa.

Any organization of paragraphs, sentences, words, letters, and numbers strung together in any order should see 100% freedom to express. Free Speech in, Statist cucks out!

KEK!

Tell me more about copyright is less dangerous than states.

Well yeah, Freedom of Expression and Speech are both inherently dangerous to the State. What does Copyright have to do with this?

Not him, but the implication I guess would be that copyright is a limit on freedom of expression, since it's basically the right for someone to say that their information belongs to them and can only be shared with their permission.

Cause you can control the state, even in capitalism, but you cannot control corporations.

And yes, this.

How can Corporations exist without Capital, or control over the means of production, or alienated workers to exploit for that matter?

I do not see the purpose in maintaining liberal free speech for capitalist media after a revolution. It undermines political consciousness with liberalism and equates the interests of the proletariat with those of the bourgeois. But as long as we are in capitalism it is useful though.

Point is, Capitalism can control the State and make free speech not state controlled, but cannot control corporations and make it not corp controlled.

Socialism has no corps and, if it's not FullTankie, can control the state.