MAGA Hats Are the Newest Form of Pre-Teen Rebellion

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I seriously hope Holla Forums doesn't take this as a compliment.

First as farce, then as LARP

how I wish it were true.

you mean Jezollah, right?

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Man this shit is getting weird.

Honestly I think this mostly results from parents worried about the liberal/left-wing tendencies of the youth and therefore going the extra step to indoctrinate them ie activelly telling them they're conservatives instead of just hoping their values are passed on by osmosis.

These kids will just rebel even harder when they start actually forming their own political opinions.

I actually considered myself a nationalist conservative during that age and then even a fascist to be edgy until I was like 15-16

They'll grow out of it I hope. I did and now I'm a comrade.

Truly they make the Vikangz proud.

Glad to see I'm not the only one. In a way my conservatism fed my conversion to communism. After reading Hobbes I realized that 90% of what I believed was more or less a complete fabrication designed to justify naked violence committed by the state. Then I ended up having to read Marx for a Political Theory class and was hooked. Still pretty conservative though.

I think it's a reaction to the cultural liberalism of the past few years and the horrors on display at universities across the country. It's natural for people to flock to the reactionary opposition ideology when surrounded with another disturbing ideology.

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Being afraid is not an excuse to be a fascist. There is no excuse to sign your soul over to fascism unless you're a particularly stupid teenager.

if you's so spooked that a pink-haired tranny or interracial couple triggers you, i dont want you in my fucking country mate

a lot of it is probably just that they're still so dominant in a lot of internet places, less so now, but these kids grew up during the years when nearly every political youtube video was full of reactionaries. And the internet is still full of those flashy content providers who push a very simple set of political views ("le SJWs are destroying the world and anything left of center is cringey and womanish" etc.). I don't think it's right to say as PJW did that conservatism is the new punk rock, it's a lot more like the new minecraft: it's a community made to cater to young nerdy boys with a bunch of flashy youtube stars who say funny things about mean ladies with pink hair.

when i got into drugs the only people who really looked out for me were neo nazi gutterpunks. but fortunately i got out of that shit once i realize National Socialims was bullshit

I flirted with reactionary ideas in the past because of this. One day I just realized the only time I saw this sort of thing was when I was actively searching out these videos in some kind of self-indulgent masturbatory exercise.

The sort of anger and feeling of victimization feels good in a very weird way. We sort of joke about the Holla Forums=SJWs thing but in a very real way I think both groups hang out in online spaces where they expose themselves to as much media as possible that can make them feel victimized.

I guess I didn't make that last bit clear. My point is that I'm not sure the extent to which this is a rebellious teen thing just because it is so boring and it doesn't really attract rebellious people. it seems much more like a set of very simple narratives that get an emotional response out of kids who don't know better. it becomes even more effective when they're surrounded by these people online which they were for a couple years and still are to some extent (though it seems like there's some more pushback and like many of these groups have receded into their own small communities and become more extremist recently. maybe that's just my impression)

Lmao. it's the degenerate human refuse and liberal upper-middle class kiddies that makes modern leftism into a laughing stock of what it was

Modern leftism is very much not a laughing stock in Britain, you largely over estimate the impact of a minority population of internet nobody's who look silly.

6/10 would cuddle

the joke is that leftypol desperately wants to be edgy revolutionaries, but their ideology is so establishment approved, that all they can do is lash out at 14 year old Trump supporters

Communism is establishment approved?

Are we bullying them?

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Well yeah, punks were faggots, and these guys are faggots too.

You missed the point anyway

I didn't say buying a maga hat was fascist? Did you misread my post?

I don't think a person with pink hair triggers anybody, I think when something like Professor Weinstein last week is being screamed at by a mob of pink haired people for being white and not buying into the SJW toolkit, and the administration coddling the SJW mobs, that's what triggers people. I think you know the difference, no need to straw man the issue. There's a reason people are reacting with disgust and running into other reactionary ideologies.

I didn't misread your post, the OP states MAGA hats and being Trump supporters are the new "form of rebellion", as we debate why people mistakenly believe this, the point was made that it's a reaction to crazy liberalism. You responded to that with the idea that that's no excuse to be a fascist. This thread has nothing to do with fascism.

The fact remains that Trumpy IS the establishment, so this idea of "rebellion" is a joke.

And? Nobody said anything to the contrary.

You did

Then what are you bitching about

It might as well be, considering how little of a threat it has been since the fall of the USSR

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you must be new to this..
maga hats are armbands
reactionaries are brown shirts
baseball shooting is reichstag
ICE is SS
muslims are jews
corporations took over
it's fascism.

You're not even 0.000001% of the threat to the system that you or anyone else here thinks they are.

The fact of the matter is that despite Holla Forums's hysterics over CULTURAL MARXISTS in academia you can live a life pretty well unmolested for being a card-carrying openly Marxist individual

two sides of the same jewish coin. you know what's really revolutionary? voting republican and calling black people niggers on the internet

Voting for reactionaries can be revolutionary if the only opposition is a left liberal. Just look at how weak the actual left is in France now that Macron has "beaten fascism" (at least according to the Western media.)

Guess the CIA can all retire now

Not the best example. Macron isn't even nominally left liberal, his economic plan is full on lolbert

Yeah I guess. Still liberal though. Also the western press doesn't bother pointing that out.

lmao, you're probably not even on the FBI's radar. In most of the West Marxism is as much a threat to the political system as fanatical monarchists are

When the fuck did I say this? There's a reason I said CIA and not FBI

Yeah I agree. I'm just saying let's not start ceding this idea that barely disguised right-libertarians are somehow centrists

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Are you seriously going to pretend that a major function of the CIA isn't to thwart "unfavorable" revolutions overseas? It's not a conspiracy to recognize basic historical fact

the fact that there is no strong proletarian movement at the moment does not make communism establishment approved. the separation of marxism from any sort of proletarian movement can only last so long. Things are changing fast right now and it's only a matter of time before public discontent begins to boil over. there will be some who will turn to marx's work to aid the understanding of the working class

I'm curious what exactly your ultra-subversive political views are

Except that Cold War ended decades ago, and the CIA isn't run by cold warriors that think any and every Third World revolutionary movement is "really" part of the USSR's nefarious scheme to advance the global revolution.

No, it just means that it's so far below the radar that "the establishment" doesn't even bother to notice it.

It's already boiling over as the shooting of Republican Congressmen indicates - the only problem for you is that the people supporting it are doing so because they think Drumpf's healthcare and climate change policies will kill us all, not because Republican Congressmen are enemies of the proleteriat

We gotta kile all the mooslams, juus and nigers to sabe the whyat rass.

Nationalist populism, I guess.

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are you even making a point here? First you were the one who brought in the vague term "the establishment" so I'm not sure why you're scarequoting. Secondly, you're a retard. you've basically just restated my point. at the moment, many who call themselves marxist are somewhat detached from the class itself and there is no major movement at the moment. I do not deny this, but it does not make communism state-approved. Communism is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things and to the extent that this real movement does not make itself apparent at the moment, marxists in academia for example are hardly communists in the way marx meant.

lad, there's a difference between subversive and retarded.

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this is hardly what I mean. libs getting really worked up is not boiling over though perhaps they are a symptom of our tense political climate at the moment. Revolutionary movements begin with a crisis we are approaching a crisis which will be particularly important. The steady decline of "end of history" liberalism and the rise of various populist causes seems like a sign of instability.

Yeah, it just makes it so politically-irrelevant that they're not even making a go of suppressing it anymore.

So what? Absolute monarchists are as much a threat to "the present state of things" in the US, but the FBI aren't going after them, either.

And in fifty years the diehard true believers here will still be arguing that the collapse of capitalism will happen in their lifetime, or at the very least their children's lifetime - but hey, at least you'll have some new excuses to bandy around for why all the "crishes *sniff* of capitalishm" that happened in between were actually part of capitalism successfully saving itself, but next time hoo boy, it's all gonna break

Wew. I guess it's better to be that than a fully grown adult that simply hides his inner nihilism behind a far right LARP.

"Edgy", "punk rock" and "counter-culture" is exactly the opposite of what genuine conservatives want to be or identify as. Even if, in reality, conservatism has become somewhat counter-cultural, conservatives never see it that way. To them, they're the remnant torchbearers of the "true" American culture and values amid a rapidly degenerating country.

The alt-right make for the worst conservatives ever.

that's just dishonest. while they may not threaten to overturn the system at the moment, I have no doubt that various intelligence groups are keeping a close watch on left-wing extremists. The same goes for right-wingers, by the way. They pose absolutely no threat to the present system in the sense of overturning it at the moment, however every once in a while they might conduct a terrorist attack or some dumb shit like that, so I'm sure there are groups out there keeping tabs on both groups even now.
there is latent potential in the communist movement. that's my point. that was marx's point. There is next to zero chance of a monarchist movement rising to prominence in a capitalist society. The communist movement will eventually reemerge again as it has before.
I hope people here do not hold such a determinist view. I certainly don't and I don't think most have since global capitalism survived the great depression. the potential of overcoming capitalism exists at those moments however. A revolution must stem from a crisis but not all crises yield revolutions let alone successful ones.

How many more fucking "crises" do you need?

Or is this one of those "on a long enough time scale socialism will happen" sort of things

Yeah, it's not like we just hit the worst crash since the Great Depression from which we never truly recovered, and all signs point to us going into a new one.

Even Fukuyama isn't a Fukuyamaist anymore. You are fully retarded.

however many it takes, my dude. we ain't goin nowhere. I should add as well while I have you here that right-wing populism will always collapse into something else once it is convenient. no matter how successful you are at mobilizing, it will always be short-term.

Because a system has the ability to weather crises doesn't mean that it's invulnerable. Feudalism lasted over a millennium and weathered plague, famine and near constant warfare. But, eventually, it collapsed.

Why? Because it could no longer stand under the weight of its own contradictions and was outmoded technologically.

We can see too that capitalism is less and less able to stand under the weight of its contradictions and we can see technology coming out that capitalism cannot properly deal with as a mode of production.

Therefore, it's safe to say that capitalism is in its twilight years.

Will socialism be the system to replace it? Possibly, but possibly not. but capitalism is dying. If the bourgeoisie are unable to come up with a new system (and it doesn't look like they're even close to that point), they'll be crushed beneath the progression of history.

WE WUZ JOTUN AND SHIET

I'd rather be a part of a youthful movement based in truth, than a movement dominated by reactionary feminist dykes based in completely false bullshit, but hey that's just my personal opinion.

Of course a pedo would want to hang out with preteen boys.

*a pedo faggot

back to Holla Forums, poopsoc troll

None of these are even "conservatives", they are edgy liberals. Except Ann Coulter.

The right think themselves embattled rebels even when they control the Congress and the White House. You can't make this shit up.

Sasuga, leftypoz.

The fucking Democrats are rightwing by the standards of the rest of the world, let alone Republicans. Neolibs or not, they all have plenty of monstrous proposals that put them firmly in the right, like a law to force milk processing plants to remove vitamins from milk or some shit.

The GOP is far-right by European standards.

This is your brain on Holla Forums.

The GOP:

How is that "right-wing"? The truth is leftypol has more common ground with the GOP than you would like to admit.

Try opening a book sometimes ok?

whoa, big if true

They are. Republicans take every opportunity to suck up to the black and "le based LGBT community", even if said identity groups despise them. They are the ultimate subservient bitches.

Their economic politics are the only thing that matters when deciding where they are on the left-right spectrum.

You are somehow worse than the "basic economics" lolberts

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Even on shitty political ideology graphs left and right are economic scales while up and down are social scales. You are a dumb fuckin idiot.

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I didn't know Holla Forums was full of banker bootlickers.

I doubt the CIA is willing to make pro communist propoganda

Lol, you are fucking retarded, knowing economics =/= sucking porkys dick. Read a book sometime you braindead fascist.

Holy shit it's true.

I wish I had photos but it was purely awful.

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wut

Gold.

you don't know what that word means

He's basically right in saying money is a spook. It's an abstraction that has no reality outside the human mind. Many people worship money just like they would any other spook.

It's capitalist. It proposes keeping economic and political power in the hands of the people who already have it while foisting obscurantist cultural window dressing on people as if it were an avenue of actual resistence. It's just Holla Forumstardism with different identities.

There's this thing called "human progress", which some sadly few people try to accelerate as much as possible, and entirely too many cretins that resist as much as they can, but as human progress marches forwards (most of the time), they eventually have to accept a bare minimum of those steps in order not to be considered a literal cartoon villain. LGBT, stronk womxn and whatever else are the latest cases in America. Whether they're true progress, pointless spooks or downright harmful.

Every single forward step of progress (or "progress", for that matter) eventually becomes universally accepted. Doesn't stop reactionary animals from being reactionary animals by the standards of their time. You might as well have said "to be a true rightist you have to support slavery, monarchy, human sacrifice, rum, sodomy and the lash."

And I'm a retard for replying to a troll.

FUCK

Even jeb was better than he was.

People don't believe it but Gen Z is going to be completely fucking insane. Totally poisoned by irony, post-irony and memetics; subjected to unprecedented internet and information overload. They're going to truly The Last Men.

Read a book, nigger.