If you're homophobic/transphobic/mysogynistic/racist/etc you aren't anti idpol, you're just a spooked reactionary

Every time I see someone point out that fighting for or against any of the issues related to these, they're called homophobic/transphobic/mysogynistic/racist/etc when they're the actual people against idpol. I see the exact same thing with Palestine defenders - if you don't get down and suck the dick of the Palestinian national bourgeoisie in their anti-imperialist struggle, you're a Netanyahu-loving Zionist!
>>>/reddit/

related to these is idpol,*

It's as valid or not as straight marriage

It has zero validity apart from symbolic and emotional flag waving. Marriage does not start and end with a proposal and saying I do by two people. It's the everything that follows and the legal and moral obligations a man and woman owe each other in other for child rearing, it's a property agreement essentially.
Two men wanting to enter this is like has no justification when they don't fulfil the basic criteria for the whole tome of duties and obligations.
Why on earth would two men join resources when they have no reason to? That's ridiculous. Why ask for access to the duties and obligations when they don't fill the criteria they were set up for in the first place?

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this^
Also, although the despise that i have for liberal SJW, i feel like the idpol thin it's became somekind of paranoia here, and i cant' understand why.

You can be anti-idpol and be one or more of those at the same time (and it happens often, too). It's not rocket science.

I bet when you posted that you would've never believed someone could fit so many spooks in a single post:

You can say marriage is a spook, that doesn't make whole purpose a justification for gay marriage as if they are the same thing. We know what marriage is and why it's there, we know gay marriage is not the reason it exists, therefore it's symbolic attempt at equality that really gay people should have been wiser to.

This. We should have a filter that swaps 'idpol' for 'empathy and basic human decency'.

we do?

Wrong. Homosexual males have a higher prevalence of stds, especially hiv/aids, so it makes if anything more sense to make a contractual agreement of sexual exlucivity.

Telling gay people that marriage will stop them giving each other aids is actually offensive.

Yes, rules to make provision for children and property for that reason, and the resulting duties if the obligations are abrogated.

is that written down somewhere? except your post ofc.

Dynastic property management and accumulation.

And I should care because…?

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Gay ""marriage"" is literally just gays LARPing straight people. If you're gay, be gay, who gives a fuck, but don't do this cringeworthy bullshit, please.

I mean, seriously? Marriage ceremonies? I now pronounce you husband and husband? That's brony tier, dude.

Most human societies had legal (ie backed by some form of sanction) laws regarding marriage, or at least rules and norms. it's safe to say I don't need to bother saying how marriage is the whole body of those rules not just an emotional and symbolic expression of love.

gay and trans rights should be a non issue on this board

most people are ok with homos even fucking richard spencer is ok with homos

This. Marriage in all its forms is pretty fucking gay. Being gay is no longer edgy. It's for liberal normies who watch modern family. If you want to 'stick it to the man' in this upside down future in which 'the man' is a 300 pounds queer ™ genderblob with neon blue hair, straight is the way to go. I mean, suck all the dick you want, but keep it straight.

Yes but you're not posting sources. Can you name 5 present day societies that enforce this? Because i know a bunch of childless married couples.

Also gays can adopt.

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5 societies that enforce duties and laws on married people? Are you serious? Every Continent in the world and probably the undiscovered tribes too. Marriage was rarely for love in the past. If they had laws they have marriage laws. Look up the Celtic laws on marriage they were far more complex than todays.

Childless married couples and childless married couples with only one kid are just as much of an abomination as gay "married" couples.

Not having a child has nothing to do with the reason for marriage laws, they still became one for legal and property purposes did they not? The only reason that happened was to produce heirs.

What exactly is considered trans rights?
In my country, if you think you're trans, you go to a psychiatrist for a while until he determines if it's real or bullshit, then you have to live as your desired gender for a year, then you're allowed to take hormones, legally change your gender, and eventually (optionally, even) have a sex reassignment surgery, paid for by the state. And it's been like this here since the early 90s.

I think this is pretty reasonable. From what I hear, in meme countries like Canada you just go and choose whatever random word you want your gender to be, no questions asked.

Canada is making it so parents who are not on the trans train can have their kids removed

lgbt movement is capitalistic, yes. People who want to fuck those other than the sex opposite of them, or would rather appear as and take on the typical social role of the opposite sex are not capitalist.

If normal marriage isn't for the purpose of raising children, it's a spook, and gay marriage is even spookier.

made me laugh more than it should have.
-t. Ganadian

Also, gender doesn't real, only sex does. And if a dude wants to act like most women do and have his penis removed, then fine. Adults shouldn't be treated like they're at the stage of going through phases like kids do, so fuck it.

Gay marriage is legitimately a spook. A complete fabrication out of thin air for emotional and physiological posturing.

Overpopulation is a very real and serious threat to a functioning socialist society. Homosexuality should be strongly encouraged.

So you're telling me the countries that need homo ways the most are the least tolerant of them. I've never seen much LGBT fuss about this.

Adults continue to go through "phases" into their 30s and beyond. The only people who think they don't are young 20 somethings going through their "I'm a grown up now" phase

You can't be a communist and be pro-oppression so people should understand this. Of course everything isn't oppression but if you got no problem with what happens to gay people in Chechnya or other places you're a fucking idiot if you don't believe that's connected to the workers over all.

I feel like lgbtbbqsjw type 'leftists' and furries/anime niggas (do furries count as lgbt by this point?) want to enforce polyamory and forcibly feminise all males, regardless of whether the males in question want it or not. 'Abolishing the gender binary' IS a codeword for state mandated trapping.

Ok then, well adjusted adults. Funny enough, I was actually thinking of suggesting a second level of legal adulthood after the adjustment phase of the twenties (at which point one understands they can do what they want, but not the consequences thereof). Either way though, grown-ass men and women need to be treated at some point like they can comprehend the potentially long term unforeseeable results of their choices at some point, otherwise it would be foolish to allow anyone to do anything that requires dedication and risk perhaps in some ways it is.

Can't say I've heard of anyone trying to enforce polyamory/feminisation aside from the occasional retarded twitter/tumblr fag. And I haven't really heard much from them since I stopped watching anti-sjwTube years ago.

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It's not a matter of being well adjusted or not, it's just that people aren't static objects and what we define as as adulthood isn't some end point where we stop developing. People go through all kinds of crises and phases, biological and psychological throughout their lives. Women go through menopause, men often have what we often flippantly call a "mid life crisis" which has biological components. People go through spiritual phases and find or give up religion. Our sexuality can be fluid and move this or that over our lives, even the way we see gender and how we relate to it can change.

But you're absolutely right that there needs to be a place where we draw a line and concede agency to people to make decisions for themselves and live with consequences and usually in legal terms at least, that's roughly at the end of puberty, which seems to work out more or less okay. But that doesn't mean we dismiss the idea that adults go through weird phases or make half assed decisions. I think we all know at least one person who tends to flit from thing to thing with some new revelation or identity being the most important thing EVER from year to year or even month to month. I know I do. And if one of those people came to me suddenly declaring they were the other gender now or that they were gay and ALWAYS HAD BEEN OMG, or even that they'd found god and were converting to Judaism, I'd approach it with some scepticism and not immediately shower them with praise and support like some doe eyed teenager. Not knowing from experience there's a good chance we'd both regret it later. It's not transphobic or homophobic or whatever to give people space to work through their shit and see which way they jump before making your own judgement, you know?

You didn't mention woman there

Who are out of control really regarding where they were even 20 years ago in the growing up problem. Men are just self destructing

Yeah, I think we're pretty much on the same page here.

Nah, it's kind of ridiculous Tbh. It's like hazing making people be men in a dress withholding treatment.

Get a load of this spook-lord

Most Holla Forums can't even agree on what idpol is

literally everything commies believe in is a spook

Why is the correct attitude in radical opposition to all of those things.

Provide justification for your bullshit slinging of prog terminology, jerkwad.

I don't understand what's reactionary about any of those things, care to explain?

Being anti-idpol means being against creating victim-hierarchies. Analyzing who is the most exploited gets us nowhere, and is undialectical because exploitation alienates all parties involved, not just the "victim". You shouldn't worship minorities because of how oppressed they are, but you shouldn't deny the fact that they do face oppression, and you should treat them with dignity just like you should treat everyone with dignity.

Gay culture has been commodified in the same way that all cultures are commodified under capitalism.

This is just moralizing and has nothing to with leftist politics. If you were really anti-idpol then you would recognize that being a racist, sexist asshole doesn't make you a reactionary.

Factors of the gay community have expressed opposition to "pink capitalism". You could argue it's still drenched in idpol, but potential is there regardless.

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Reminder that there's a trans mod and it's me. Why don't you accept me as your natural ally against porky, Holla Forums? Is it because you're Holla Forums newfags?

They're Holla Forumsyps trying to subvert the board. Ban them.

Please also ban any unironic nazibol posters while you're at it, please.

Marriage is shit, an institution to maintain the nuclear family and its role in the capitalist system. Gay marriage is still marriage.

In your personal life sure, but if one was to advocate killing, intimidating, stigmatizing or disassociating from queers, this would certainly be political and would make you a reactionary.

Not Holla Forums, just the average person who had enough of faggots ruining IRL leftist organizations with their bullshit.
Eat shit and die. Normal people will never accept you. Deal with it.

Because this is a chan and consensus of opinion is for retards that need a hug box.

Besides, only a few of us are actually "actually reactionary", and among those they're still better than Holla Forumsyps. I'm tired of being told that the oppressive marginalization of LGBTWTFBBQ peoples is more important than class struggle by well off straight liberals when I'm fucking gay and capitalism is the source of my problems. These dipshits do not care about any objective concept of exploitation and systemic violence, their worldview is inherently anti-materialist, social constructionist postmodern claptrap that the left should have nothing to do with, and it's all in shameful defense of the petite bourgeois lifestyles they hold dear.

This is why, in some sad way, I respect fashy lemmings and libertards more than liberals. At least they're honest about what they want and admit they'll use violence to get it. They don't emotionally manipulate people so they can have their cake and eat it too.

butthurt polyp detected

Love is a pop cultural invention, it doesn't exist. It was ever just lust, convenience and power play.

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Because trannyism is simply one of the end results of the social dysfunction caused by late-capitalist society.

slide thread, bait thread trash

I'm a former feminist who got wise to the idpol. Racism and sexism are problems, and the only way out of that problem is class solidarity and universalism, not sectarian particularism of any flavour. There simply is to much sexism in the feminist movement (towards men and women both) and I dislike sexism.

The point is that the reason they became laws is irrelevant because nobody cares. People who dont want kids get married and nobody goes to their door sperging that theyre not procreating.

Haha this

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No Justice No Pride

Boy for a chan that only has a few "actual reactionaries" this thread sure got a shit ton of replies.

Not being full Holla Forums is COINTELPRO, didn't you know, you silly lefty?

fag

Mostly professional samefags, but yeah, they do pop out a lot.

You think the irrational reaction towards gays is just "disagreement"? Its a deeply emotional reaction because it threatens private hierachy conservatives allways want to maintain. Calling that a simple "disagreement" is simplistic af.

Aren't you the faggot who had a mental breakdown and went on a banning spree or was that a different mod?

Well memed.

Didn't you know that all the research about idpol stuff is funded directly by the CIA? Get out of here, liberal.

How is it "drenched in idpol" if they reject capitalism? A socialist caring about gay rights or issues isn't an idpoler, he's just a socialist.

The USSR, Che were anti-gay, anti-"degeneracy" because you need traditional values to build a nation. Hedonists don't procreate.

Che was also against toilet paper.
By that logic sex should be prohibited unless it's for the purpose of procreation. Seriously, you fucks should go back to Holla Forums.

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Uh huh.

It already is, look at how Christianity wants to ban contraceptive, look at how the culture of a country always bash gays and hate "lazy" people. Of course, the state itself won't be for or against anything, but this idea itself will propagate itself through culture.

Where the fuck do you live, mate?

Oh, I get it, you're just so sexually frustrated you think that nobody should have sex if you don't.

Nice arguments.

"The Feds" heh.

I didn't argue with you. I asked you a question.
Can you read?

There's stupid, there's very stupid, and then there's being a Holla Forumsyp.

Yeah, why would anyone call someone whose every posts is an attempt to drive wedges something like that?

Where are the overly sensitive people seeing this shit? Nazi shitposts? Is it just people not wanting to jump on their bandwaggon?

If I'm acting too triggering for you, that's your problem, fampire. Aren't you supposed to be against idpolers stroking each other in their safe spaces?

Marriage is a tax bracket.

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Mods are the internet bourgeoisie reaping their intellectual income by the exchange of ideas between others rather than by producing their own. Snoogins.

I can't tell how ironic you're being right now but I agree, all mods should do is delete spam and get rid of posts I don't like

And that happens here?

Booooooong

You have Holla Forums cucks trying to force the "homosexuality is bourgeois degen.eracy" meme but other than that, no.

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I talk the way I do everywhere and with everyone, excluding potential employers. Some people just aren't losers afraid of speaking their minds, you know?

/boypussy/ always has some fascist shit posted.

Someone called your divisive posting COINTEL, you attach a fed badge as a marker of pride, people continue to see a problem with your divisive posting, you tell yourself it's because you're triggering their fragile worldviews into oblivion.

Yeah, total alpha male here. You can always tell someone is when they derive pleasure from causing epic butthurt xDD.

Wait, you actually think that I'm going out of my way to trigger you? Jesus fuck, grow up.

lmao

So pretty much every communist revolutionary including Karl Marx himself? OP is nigger-like and I bet he descends from the negroids of Africa.

>The history of the world, whose shaping properly belongs altogether to the Caucasian race, seems till now to have run through two Caucasian ages, in the first of which we had to work out and work off our innate negroidity (Niggers); this was followed in the second by Mongoloidity (Chineseness), which must likewise be terribly made an end of. -Stirner

No, OP. YOU are the SPOOK
and incidentally spook is another word for niggers

Most of Holla Forums is autistic thinking it's cool to be indifferent or hateful. Socialism means social as in the rearrangement of society as a whole. There is a lot more to society than just economics. It just happens that economics is more universal of a problem.

yes mods please do this. and ban all nazbol not just 'unironic'. this place is filling up with nazis.

No, Karl Marx was not a reactionary in his time, but many of his personal views are reactionary by today's standard.
What is reactionary is defined by the status quo of society. So if you take a historical persons world view out of context and apply it to the modern world, you will almost with out exception end up with some things that are reactionary. ..That really shouldn't come as a surprise to you.

I honestly can't see why people give so much of a fuck.

like, the whole point to me would seem to be shut the fuck up about gays/trans/women/race/etc and talk about communism but then this seems to be obligated to turn around into "so let's talk about how we'd deal with the gays under communism"

i suppose it doesn't matter anyway. maybe i'll go mute and refuse to communicate with anyone for a decade or so in the hope that if-and-when i start talking again people will finally talk about something other than identities under capitalism.

I've seen Marxist-Leninists here call homosexuality bourgeois and say it should be illegal.

Here's one in this very thread:

I've seen ex-Holla Forumsyps and turd positionists push the fun meme. Both of these things are obviously just idpol in their own right. For the most part I think this board is pretty reasonable which is why I am here as opposed to /r/socialism, Holla Forums or some other idpol infested cesspool.

The problem is that some people here seem to think that being mean to gay and transgender people IS being anti-idpol. There seems to be some sort of "anti-idpol" lifestylism going around where people try to distance themselves from the new left by intentionally using language that queer people find offensive. I have no problem with the language itself, or with people who are uncomfortable being around gay people in their personal lives, but I do have a problem with people thinking that by using slurs or by being mean to transgender people, they are somehow furthering the cause of ant-idenitarianism.

A good part of Holla Forums's population consists of former Holla Forumsyps who believed Holla Forums to be too retarded for them anymore and had to find another place so they could laugh at the alt-right while making themselves feel superior, but lost their identity as a result, and thus they willingly sought to become as gommie as possible so they could still fit in somewhere. You can see it in the social media threads here where the users here usually have socialist and communist-themed social media accounts centered around Holla Forums memes. It's a natural response to feeling everyone around you is retarded or uneducated, most of you with some shred of self-awareness should know that pseudo-intellectualism is something that can certainly be attributed to this board whereas most Holla Forums users suffer a severe case of fanaticism.

It becomes dangerous when you let such pseudo-intellectualism run rampant, even when you do agree with such pseudo-intellectuals on the matter at hand, else such behavior becomes the next form of *tips fedora*, and then absolutely nobody will take you seriously anymore.

bretty sure people like the guy you quoted are just spooked homophobes and can't be anti idpol by definition.

sasuga /leftypoo/

Why are some people within the lgbt movement so obsessed with censorship? Seems like a cynical power grab led by a vocal minority. See? We need a credentialed queer ™ curator class to keep those proles in line! Otherwise they will descend into reaction like they always do

In this week's episode of Embarrassing Fucking Nonsense, Holla Forums discovers the insidious Gay Agenda out to feminise men, destroy the family, and stop the Alt Left from hurting Porky! Will sexually frustrated armchair generals be able to take the Western Culture back from the clutches of COINTELPRO idpol and convince women that serving men is just human nature? Tune in this week on Cripple Channel!

I mean real talk if we want to talk about agendas, inside the British Labour party at least at a student level it's pretty hilarious to see the level of power afforded to the women's group, at least at the individual-group level.

(There are other groups for minority-ethnic groups, disability, and I can't remember if there was LGBT, but since all of these are tiny in number they were basically irrelevances. Women made up a simple majority of the group while also having the empowerment functions open to them to ensure representation, so it was pretty funny to watch them dominate. Or it would've been if they weren't all centrist-Blairites with a massive built in majority to crush the slightly-male-leaning far left grouping I was part of.)

Don't think there's a wider female conspiracy afoot but it's amusing how perverse them mechanism was, and I have a feeling that as an unintentional consequence this probably results quite a lot with female empowerment measures. It's not inevitable (although I often find the specific measures objectionable for other reasons) so not an argument against the measures in themselves, but it is quite visible. (I'd also tepidly posit that all-women shortlists probably have the same results for Labour more widely: More Blairite-centrists.)

Not really going anywhere with this, just a fun observation.

It's true, though. see BLM for example. All the oligarch funding went to muh queers while the original object of the protests ie. policing and racist state violence, targeting primarily black men, fell down the wayside. Coincidence? Let's look at things in a purely historical, pragmatic way. neurotic trustfund queers ™ rule every other leftist space with an iron fist, both online and offline. That hasn't done shit for the left. In fact you could argue it's been killing the left. I know it's hard taking the backseat for a while, but you might as well get used to it.

I wish I could murder people over the internet.

Good thing im none of those things then.
Now stop being a faggot about it.

Broke: Irony is inherently reactionary

Woke: Irony is dialectical af. All relevant ideological struggle takes place in liminal spaces

Also, can we stop pretending being gay is inherently leftist and subversive?

Can confirm.
Every time I have seen a tranny or something be given any degree of power they end up as tyrants for the sake of preserving their fragile mental health. They are usually further empowered by all the people who want to protect them from their own demons. Secretly I think most of those people don't really appreciate that burden. But if you make someone have an episode then you get removed, so no one will say anything about the problem of having self-admitted emotionally unstable people in charge.

nazbol is the shittiest meme i've seen in years

Fritz Haber procreated.

Nikola Tesla did not procreate.

Now compare the two and their inventions.

Good. We need the global population to go way down.