Between 0000 and 0100 GMT this morning a fire broke out on the lower levels of a 24 storey tower block. The fire is believed to have been caused by an exploding fridge cooling unit. The layout of the apartments places the kitchen adjacent to the outside walls, which had recently been fitted with highly flammable insulation as part of a rejuvenation effort. It is thought that power surges caused by faulty wiring, which also caused a small fire in 2013, could have caused the fridge to explode, and may have damaged mains fire alarms earlier. By the time the fire alarms had begun to sound, a large section of the exterior wall was engulfed in flames. This was further exacerbated by a "stay still" fire drill order as the towers are supposed to be designed to isolate fires to each apartment for two hours, however the entire block was engulfed within four. By the time an evacuation order was issued, the fire had reached the staircase, which is also where the gas piping was housed.
Residents had formed a group to draw attention to these issues, fearing for their safety after the earlier fire. Eventually the landlords gagged their action group and they began to suspect it would take a major incident for people to notice. Sadiq Khan has been briefed to expect over 200 deaths.
capitalism is the most efficient system, people are encouraged to cut costs because of competition and thus prices decrease and everyone's better off
what do you mean by "the appartments are retardedly expensive and also shitty"? obviously its cause of government regulations that they use flammable insulation
Gavin Carter
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Jaxson Parker
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Jonathan Reed
reminder that the owners of the triangle shirtwaist factory served no time for all the deaths they caused and in fact came out ahead thanks to the insurance policy they had on the factory
Jordan Sullivan
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Jace Garcia
I wished we did what china did tbh. For example, they executed that guy who put lead in baby formula.
Levi Nguyen
Fuck this is really sad
Isaac Collins
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Easton Lopez
She has to fall on her sword now. If she sacks her now CoS just days after picking him she is beyond weak and wobbly
Alexander Young
Can Theresa May do anything that isn't absolute and total JUST.
She is going to go down as quite possibly the worst conservative prime minister in a long time and for a long time to go.
Does anyone get the feeling that at this point the country is like a powder keg, with everyone in charge absolutely fucking clueless as to how bad they've made the situation? I heard the councillor almost got lynched when he turned up to Grenfell.
Aaron Gray
Agreed, people shit on China for being a capitalist hellhole but even for 'just' major embezzlement you can get the death penalty over there, we could learn something from them.
Can't wait for the next election, Corbs will stop this
Benjamin Hall
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Aiden Williams
Severely underrated comment
Nathaniel Rodriguez
Source? That would be good to hear, we need more worker self defense like when they attacked the airline bosses in France and they had to climb over the fence to escape with their flash suits hanging off them in pieces
Lincoln Jenkins
TORIES ARE FINISHED
Leo Adams
no he won't. You sound exactly like a Holla Forums retard who shills for their daddy Trump.
Colton Thomas
Does anyone else alternate between just looking at the awe-inspiring nature of fire, and realizing "holy fucking shit that thing killed people"? Like damn, fire is the scariest thing.
Chase Morgan
Yeah this is some third world shit. This story is something you'd expect happening in asia or central africa, except this regression has been made on purpose by porky
Jaxson Adams
"the building's on fire everyone. you are ordered to stay put"
smooth move
Camden Cox
I can't remember where I heard it, it was hours ago shortly before he went on Sky, so probably about six hours ago. If you remember the police were said to be getting riot shields out but it wasn't explained why.
Mummy May never ever, /brit/
Yeah, I think it's quite a natural response though.
Asher Baker
The 100 year anniversary of 1917 is a good time for a revolution.
Kayden Murphy
Actually a point of mild interest to me here is whether the fire was exacerbated by the renovation procedure, or if it was basically inevitable in the building design. (I mean even in the 1970s, was a single set of stairs really a good idea?)
The building itself was as far as I can infer built by the government in 1974 as council housing, but is now run on behalf of the council by a private company under some weird 90s fuckery arrangement thrown together at the last minute by the late-conservative government.
Sebastian Cruz
Trusting an old union leftist who has been consistent his whole life is not the same as trusting a narccistic and idiotic reality TV star and known billionaire to be 'antiestablishment'
Anthony Long
From the article it seems like the adding of insulation caused the fire to spread rapidly (who the fuck thought flammable insulation was a good idea, I wonder if it was cheaper, hmm), combined with electrical failures, but that should be expected in a hastily put up 40 year old council block.
David Morris
Local suspects property developers have done it deliberately.
Asher Gonzalez
so 50 years of Labour in the UK then?
Asher Thomas
You know that's not a bad idea…
Jeremiah Collins
The chance of fire increases with the number of dwellers. The difficulty of extinguishing increases with the size of the building. So let's erect more super-tall towers
Thomas Johnson
based afroplasm
James Phillips
You're finished in this country, have fun in the autism containment zone that is America.
Tyler Taylor
mao did no wrong by having all the landlords killed
Charles Scott
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Dylan Cox
I'm still inclined to support tower-blocks as a space-efficient way of actually housing people. Just build them properly, don't let councils run houses at arms length (do everything in-house.) and don't send the fucking Applegate memorandum to tenants who raise safety concerns.
Nolan Green
Kek, Holla Forums does a really good job of brainwashing a small cadre of politically unpopular and clueless kids.
Robert Perez
Yeah but look at the pictures in the OP. Most of the buildings around aren't comparable in size so the whole place is hardly space-efficient.
Benjamin Wright
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Ayden Rodriguez
this is literal ==TERCERMUNDISMO==
if there's one thing i hate in this country more than anything, it's the privately-owned publicly-secured post-thatcher pseudocompanies like the property management firms that are allowed to operate with impunity due to either directly benefiting members of parliament who orchestrated their privatisation, or providing idealogical sustenance to charlatans on the payroll of IEA, ASI etc.
It took c.50 deaths on the railways for them to look past their ideology and nationalise railtrack, lets hope it takes no more than the possible 200 today for them to take radical action on housing.
Jeremiah Walker
6 dead, 50 in critical, 4 floors unaccessible
Tyler Rogers
What happened to 200 dead?
Matthew Price
Briefed for 200, as in "expect that". If there are 600 people living there and a fifth of the floors are inaccessible then you can assume it's another 120 as they go above floor 20. There will also be areas of other floors they haven't accessed yet.
Michael Perry
20 in critical*
Gabriel Anderson
Oh wait you were serious?
Wyatt Lopez
My cousin married a crane operator. He helped build the Aria in Las Vegas.
In the parking basement there are these row of huge man sized pipes sticking up,from the ground about 4 feet. They look like irl Mario warp pipes with huge steel caps on them.
He told me they hit the water table digging the foundation like a few feet in.
Built the Casino anyway, he said the water in those pipes is so great if you took the caps off it would flood the whole parking structure in 2 mins. And there was nothing there to stop someone from doing that haha
Oh look who's fault it was. How surprising is this?
Jeremiah Butler
IMAGINE MY SHOCK
Blake Taylor
Reminds me of a blogpost I can't find right now. Gist of it was as follows: London has a deep dark secret lying underneath it. In some parts of tube-stations, you can hear pumps working like crazy - what are they doing?
They're pumping water out. When the stations were built, London was a serious industrial city and industry was taking up water from underground, so the water-table was artificially low. London was a serious industrial city because it was alongside a river - with the invention of the shipping container, that's no longer the case. London's deep, dark secret - hidden beneath all the financial sector buildings, the service-economy PR, the Olympic spectacle and so on is that London is redundant in the age of the shipping container And slowly people will trickle out in search of jobs, and water will trickle back in.
Carter Rodriguez
Big if true. Some Tyler Durden tier smashy potential there.
Juan Taylor
And pay your rentds!
Elijah Gonzalez
Don't be naive.
Landon Lewis
His hair, his voice. Cultural appropriation, and typically it's all the governments fault, and rich people of course.
Literally nine days ago the Fire Brigades Union (FBU)
Landlords your days are numbered
Gabriel Evans
Sad!
Nathaniel Johnson
And landowners obviously, those royals have to go, their days are definitely numbered. When Jeremy forms government that's the first thing that goes, the royals and their tax evading landlord chums.
Brody Scott
Fucking disgusting.
This is capitalist "efficiency" at work.
What kind of thinking even goes into this?
The UK has a housing shortage. The problem is landlords that contribute absolutely nothing except leeching off the rent of their tenants, and porky ignoring safety regulations.
Owen Hall
They're designed for containment, in theory each flat takes hours to burn up on its own. The problem is the fire spread externally, going around fire doors and spreading all over the building because of the cladding, which set the entire exterior on fire and let the fire spread through the windows.
Dominic Ross
my landlord is a lovely old man, who always checks if I need anything doing, never puts the rent up above inflation and honestly I'd be homeless if it wasn't for him. Shame he has to die with the other capitalist pigs.
James Peterson
Yeah, but oh well.
Levi Taylor
Fuck off, KCTMO.
Hunter Sanders
He doesnt have to die as long as he doesnt pose a danger to the proletarian dictatorship.
Anthony Torres
KILL ALL LANDLORDS
Nathaniel Rogers
It's fucking not though is it, it's now a one in one incident - it happened. I swear these councillors are in it up to their neck and are trying to shift the blame for whatever dodgy shit they've been up to. They're all rubbing me the wrong way. They knew.
Cameron Morales
Chinese property developers?
The sub-human gutter-snake is right. They filled it with napalm and set it off. It is one way to balance the diversity though.
They must have been mad, literally mad - to tell them to wait inside for 4 hours while the building went up. Absolute insanity. Worse so that the people living in them obeyed - when they themselves knew and had been complaining about the unsafeness of the building. Never listen if something doesn't make sense.
Brody Wood
If there are a million other buildings that haven't torched - it is true.
Why should he die? All he has to do is let go of "ownership" of the building.
Jeremiah Green
25% of labour MPs are landlords as well. Labour needs a purge.
Evan Scott
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Easton Thompson
I'm sure reactionaries will find something about this to have a problem with
Christian Jones
Oh god this is going to be the take away for liberals isn't it?
Cameron Adams
wow, who knew the very next post would prove me right
Anthony Jackson
He's lamenting how this will be perceived not it in itself you smug faggot.
Jaxson Rodriguez
no he's making up an insane (even for lib logic) strawman
Adam Baker
I'm probably more pro-muslim than you kid. I just know that liberals will do anything to avoid dicussing the landlord problem.
Jack Rivera
well, agreed there
what time is PMQs btw
Connor Flores
Questions to the Prime Minister
Mate use a search engine :^)
Mason Robinson
nah, the jobs are just different. Shipping containers aren't why industry left the west.
Austin Roberts
right, I asked what time
Jonathan Davis
landlords must die!
Elijah Long
it's 16:15 gmt user you should realy use a search engine :^)
Samuel Jackson
Not just the west, but London in particular. (Though iirc shipping containers did do a lot to globalise component construction.) Shipping containers make manufacturing right beside a port less crucial, since you can just put standardized containers on trucks or trains at the factory and send them to a port that way, rather than having that be a bit of a faff compared to putting factories close to ports to begin with.
Since land/housing values have climbed, it wouldn't surprise me if it was significantly more attractive to manufacture the few things we still make inland and then move them long-distance to a port instead of staying in London.
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Easton Jones
related screenshot
Parker Gomez
Can someone give a tl;dr on the management company? Thanks
Connor Brooks
Who pays for the maintenance? Answer: You do. Your landlord can be the nicest guy in the world, but unless he himself is keeping the properties in a good condition he's essentially ripping you off.
Aiden Flores
Remember lads. We need even more austerity. Think of the landlords!
Benjamin Stewart
Half Related: Say 9/11 didn't happen in the US, do you think that if a fridge blew up in one of the towers do you think a similar thing would happen (since the twin towers also had a "Stand still policy" if I remember correctly)
Henry Campbell
He doesn't have to stop it tbh. He just has to start hurting the bad people.
Nolan Cox
So this is a Britannic? It goes around everything causing the whole thing to go up in way less time (Britannic sinking is largely attributed to them leaving the windows open and captain trying to beach the ship)
John Barnes
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Nicholas Anderson
Why do you hate freedom?
Jose Harris
A Republican flag, haven't seen that one in a while
Zachary Murphy
are they a local company?
Chase Diaz
they manage properties and tenants for the borough
Lucas James
This is the work of taqqiya to make muslims appear as allies.
David Flores
Everyone is equal in death fam.
Nicholas Jackson
Yes Holla Forums, I'm sure those evil muslims only helped those people because they knew it would make them look good
Man, what would you have said if they just stood by…
Aiden Rivera
Some hare(/a)m trash.
Blake Ramirez
He lives here too, when his wife died he couldn't go back to work because he had been caring for her for so long, besides his pension starts soon but you can't live on that too well. I rent a room and my own bathroom and kitchen, we share a lounge. I dunno maybe we could mark the bad landlords out, make them wear a star or striped clothes or something.
archive.is/uHuLR >The zinc panels recently bolted to the exterior of Grenfell Tower, which is touted as a possible reason as to why the fire ripped through the building so quickly, were installed to make the block look more appealing to the surrounding luxury areas. I have no words.
Owen Wilson
jesus fucking christ
Landon Morris
Stop this timeline please I want to get off
Kayden Nelson
The 12 dead have guaranteed a Corbyn Prime-ministership. God bless their souls.
Jason Cooper
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Thomas Foster
Wow, Labour really are serious about holding another election
Austin Garcia
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Asher Ross
These people are animals, jesus christ.
Jaxon Cruz
There's an interview of a guy of Jamaican decent giving his account of what it was like to survive the fire with his family on YouTube. Half the comments are Burgers going "Hurhurhur lotta moose-lambs died in teh blaze" even though the guy's name's literally "Michael Benjamin" or some such Anglo-Saxon shit.
Don't mind me, I'm just ranting bout how much I wish Americans wouldn't comment on British/European news.
Parker Robinson
Wait, that guy wasn't you?
Lincoln Hill
SHUT IT DOWN
Parker White
But doesn't this remind you of Nine Eleven ??? (nevuhfuhget.)
Anthony Rodriguez
It's literally spooked af to never lie in your self interest anyway
Daniel Hernandez
4D halal chess confirmed
Easton Rivera
hmm comfy utopia
Adam Butler
"Burn your pheasant, drink your wine, your days are numbered, Landlord Swine!"
Blake Martinez
How have these guys not just blown their brains out by now?
Jaxson Jenkins
tasteless way to think user
Eli Lee
Because they don't really care?
Elijah Bennett
Either they can't bear to do it, think they can weasel out of it, or have a genuine reason. I'm pretty sure Corbyn will have people crucified for this where it's deserved.
Benjamin Ortiz
the chief executive gave a interview to the BBC shifting blame with the still burning tower behind him
these men have no shame
Landon Sanchez
Did you get a copy? I got a copy of the councillor weaseling out of an interview but it's at like 130mb because I don't normally do this.
Official death toll is at 17 right now, but is expected to rise. The top floors are too unstable to search, so the firefighters need to shore them up before continuing. It's expected to take many days, maybe weeks, before the grisly tally is complete.
Lincoln Anderson
Why is this worth a ban
Evan Johnson
So both jews, but it's not the jews and it's not the freemasonic jews, it's this unidentifiable porky fellow.
Isaiah Johnson
Because if you are left leaning you have to stay in the narrow corridor that leads to the abattoir whilst bleating about your freedom.
Landon Clark
it's Holla Forums being a faggot as usual
I bet typing that made you feel real euphoric.
Liam Anderson
No there's very little to be euphoric about when you don't belong in either Holla Forums or Holla Forums
Jeremiah Kelly
Reading about the questionable refurbishment and overall design of this building for health and safety is really making me mad. And among other things I'm reading, it's making me want to don a tinfoil cap. The Left needs to be on this.
That's… quite possible. I'm hoping is that it's "only" around 50, The fire was in the middle of the night on a weekday, there weren't any alarms, and a lot of the people say they were only woken up by shouts and screams from the street below. I don't know what the actual occupancy was, but there were 500 bedrooms in that building and the upper floors, where people were most likely to be trapped, haven't been searched. Police and firefighters are saying it will take weeks before they find all the bodies.
Brandon James
They confirmed some hours ago everyone who was stuck above floor 21 is dead, the heat of the building reached 1000C, you cremate bodies at 800C so that's why they don't think they'll ever know exactly who died there.
Jayden Mitchell
Well, I hope I'm never cremated to death. Jesus fuck, this is a mess.
Robert Reyes
from the beginning it was obvious casualties were going to be 100+. It's clear why they aren't making estimations at this point and sticking to only confirmed fatalities.
Jackson Young
CORBYN IS DEMANDING LUXURY HOUSING BE MADE AVAILABLE TO SURVIVORS FOR FREE
LEFT LABOR AGREES UNANIMOUSLY
RIGHT LEANING LABOR IS BEGINNING TO AGREE
JEREMY CORBYN HAS MADE THE LABOUR-RIGHT COOL WITH EXPROPRIATING PROPERTY FROM LANDLORDS
NEXT STAGE WORKER'S STATE BOYS
Jacob Hernandez
I'd like to see any fucker who says no go down there to wherever all the residents are and personally tell each of them that they don't deserve to live anywhere after their fucking home burned to cinders.
Christian Russell
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Jacob Watson
At that heat, from what I've heard, sofa fabric starts to become vaporised and turns into toxic gas, which will down you after the first breath. Most people probably died from fumes and didn't burn to death, but inhaling cyanide vapors probably wouldn't be pleasant for the short moment you do it. I was watching it from the moment it happened pretty much, saw a load of people in a flat on one of the upper floors flicking the light switch on and off to get assistance, went for a cigarette, by the time I got back the entire floor was in flames. It takes me less than three minutes to smoke a cigarette.
Josiah Robinson
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Adam Bennett
That's actually either India or Iran
Daniel Ross
why is there chinese lettering on the stand then?
Joshua Gomez
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Ian Collins
Per capita, emissions actually fall on USA#1
Zachary Fisher
Dumbass
Jason Walker
The image on the video screen is actually a frame from a tourism advertisement, the idea that it's there to remind Chinese people what the sun looks like or something is a widely-disseminated fabrication
Jackson Allen
Was Lammy always this stalinist?
Justin Sullivan
Never heard of him before today tbh, would put him on the shadow cabinet for housing though.
Unbelievable. This is corporate manslaughter and if people aren't booked for this the streets will be set on fire with anger.
Nolan Turner
Hey, seeing as they might have also been made with flammable materials, that might just work!
William Myers
I don't think people will stand for this. Even though people are praising the emergency services now, I expect a lot will turn on the police very shortly.
Angel Butler
Capitalists really are fucking retards.
Asher Perez
Kensington resident calling for a revolution, to applause of the crowd.
Asher Gomez
FUCKING BASED
Juan Reed
Nice.
Adam Gutierrez
Carl will do it for free
Lincoln Taylor
GOOD RIDDANCE!
Dominic Gray
Anyone notice on #GrenfellTower on twitter that there are dozens of people with hundreds of posts and around 5 followers shilling against Corbyn?
Hudson Martin
WTF! Why can't we have a lot more of that in Murica?
John Garcia
Its all just a bunch of laughing skulls amirite m8?
Carson Ortiz
Cointelpro killed all the class conscious ones and left all the idpol ones.
Nicholas Rodriguez
Nixon, crack, CIA, etc.
Evan Moore
'Member when Carl was all about "the poor are not speding money one new TVs! They just don't have enough money!" (2016 I think. Back then I had even subed to Carl)
Guess it's all pandering to the audience now!
Kevin White
He's a class A piece of shit. If chaos erupts, someone needs to do away with him.
Blake Rivera
For some reason they deleted this tweet. Probably lies.
Matthew Turner
The flammable insulation cost 22 pounds per unit vs. the fire retardant insulation which cost 24 pounds per unit. Porkie effectively murdered everyone in this building to save 5000 pounds.
Red terror is coming.
Cool vid
Charles Williams
Ugh. Just…all of those things.
Eli Jenkins
People who say COINTELPRO and Bourgeoisie Propaganda are correct, but it also has to do with material conditions. Black people's lives have been improving as they (slowly) approach parity with whites, despite overall working class decline. You see this reflected in life expectancy trends, where black lifespans have been increasing, but white working class life expectancy has been falling for years. It does not come quite so naturally to oppose a system under which your relative status has increased.
Kayden Cruz
All Landlords are scum.
Michael Wilson
pretty sure getting the FORRINS to sell off their homes when there's a housing crisis would actively be a good thing, hilariously
Liam Hill
Investing in homes is a crime against human decency. Anyone who has more than one home should be raped and murdered. I'm tired of these bourgeoisie fucks ruining housing prices everywhere.
Gabriel Adams
And assuming it would have held for decades, it wouldn't even have added up to a hundred pounds a year for people that have already appropriated millions. Considering the predictions, human lives are literally worth less than a pound to these people.
They don't create value anyway. It's workers that create value. Or do they actually believe stuff just grows on trees?
Militancy is definitely on the rise…
Justin Evans
I make money coming and going!
First I get a building made with public funds and extract rent from it.
Then I get publicly funded incentives to update it! Oh and whatever I don't spend I get to keep.
And after the building burns down because I used substandard materials I'll get even more money when the insurance policy pays off!
The best part? I don't owe a single penny to any of the idiots that died! Despite being responsible for hundreds of deaths, I'll never see the inside of a jail cell, or face any consequences whatever!
*oinks derisively* It doesn't sound so retarded to me!
Anthony Sullivan
Brace for riots. Arm yourselves.
Ayden Smith
Riots inbound. Arm yourselves.
Nolan Hughes
This is one of the people suspected of being involved heavily at the beginning. If you're in the area, make sure to get to him before he can leave the country.
Gavin Butler
What do you mean?
Jonathan Sanchez
In the early hours of the blaze, he was asked questions as to whether he knew about problem at the high rise, which he refused to answer, when pressed on what could have caused the fire, he started talking about how disrespectful it would be for him to start speculating, then he said he would be leaving as he had lots to do, when asked what he would be doing, he sat silently on the phone for several seconds, then hung up.
Also, the property companies in this area want these low income homes to be razed so that they can build luxury flats, this is just a boon for them.
Jonathan Johnson
Is this really the case? Seems like a huge contradiction. I mean more people are poor than rich. Why build more housing for rich people? Where't the demand?
Julian Peterson
The rich don't use the luxury flats for accommodation but as a store for their stolen wealth. These pigs have dozens of properties around Europe that never see a living soul inside for 51 weeks for this sole purpose
Justin Davis
That takes some massive fucking balls to say.
Levi Long
Link to share on social media?
Isaiah Lee
This has to be one of the most antisocial canards neoliberalism pushed on us.
Hudson White
You can go to /liberty/ with the rest of the lolberts or go be peak reddit over at /r/neoliberal
Lincoln Brown
Is this it? Are we finally leaving the worst timeline?
I can't wait for the inevitable news of the negligent owner receiving millions from the deaths of dozens.
Jackson James
Every single anarchist, communist, and left labor party member should be down in Kensington supporting fire refugees and collectively selecting empty flats to requisition. Give the gov a few days to do it on their end and if they can't, Jezza's behind some proletarian justice.
Jason Russell
I might be a burger but if any leftists in the UK need some supplies I'll try helping out
Camden Perez
They will continue to invest/speculate anyway, it is not like they will actually live in the house nor will they sell it to those that will
Adrian White
They have more than enough supplies now, they just need a place to stay.
It adds up. By cutting corners, even small ones, on every single aspect of the building's design, construction, maintenance, services, staffing, project finances, oversight, and inspection, I'm sure it sums to a tidy fortune.
Gavin Wilson
So, 17 confirmed dead and the same number critically injured, while the death-toll could still double. At worst up to 60 corpses could come out of this. That currently makes it about 294 quid of savings per lost life, 83 and one-third pounds a piece if up to 60 die.
That's quite the bargain, saving cash and spending lives, considering that the Yanks have approximated the value of the irreplaceable human life at about 8-9 million bucks.
Capitalism at its finest. Maximize income while minimizing costs. I'm quite certain, and disgusted at the very thought, of some damn accountant bringing up a list of "savings acceptable compared to the risk involved" in a project budget meeting. This happens all the time and it is considered normal —no matter how sickening it truly is.
Jordan Reed
In all seriousness, some muds alerted few people of the fire during their Ramadan pre-fasting meal.
Adrian Martin
30 confirmed dead, watching Sky News now and the Emergency Services are saying the death toll. They're still searching for people and they have 24 people in the hospital being treated, 12 in critical condition.
>Such is the ruling elite’s visceral hatred of the working class victims of the fire that she would not guarantee when asked if the families would be rehoused in Kensington and Chelsea. She said through gritted teeth only that “the government will make every effort to ensure that they are rehoused in London, and as close as possible to home.”
Dylan Davis
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William Young
How is anyone surprised?
Xavier Ward
Hello, McFly? Here is what will happen if you raise the tax on land or have even more regulations: The landlords will flee and take the pieces they own with them. There will be holes in the world disk everywhere all over Britain until Britain vanishes completely, and you will all fall into hell. Umm, maybe you should read a book about basic economics?
Ryan Barnes
protests starting up outside Kensington Town Hall.
Zachary Garcia
If the government aren't very careful this will end very badly for them.
Samuel Moore
just seen some woman on there calling for empty properties to be seized and used to house people good stuff
There's a large protest around Kensington town hall and Sky is saying officials are "captive" inside.. representatives are afraid to come and speak to people
Justin Foster
Rev up those guillotines fam
Jaxon Ortiz
People were giving speeches outside appealing to the media to give them a hearing, a group broke off and stormed the town hall. To quote Sky "For the council to come out and make a statement right now… it would be extremely ill advised"
Cameron Martinez
Actually I did think of the insurance and there is no way that they're getting paid any more than they invested.
Jonathan Long
Someone is making a speech saying everything is being dealt with, they're being shouted down by angry locals. This is going to get very nasty.
Jack Reyes
Chants have broken out over the speaker, Sky have cut off the feed as the chant broke out "How many dead? Not seventeen!"
Elijah Ortiz
Plus, it's not like the insurance wants to pay anything, you know. If it really turns out that it's the owners' fault that the fire started, they're not getting shit.
They're retards.
Camden Hughes
The way that they continue to fuck up the response to this crisis is staggering.
Nolan Howard
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Jordan Peterson
inb4 May sends in the army.
Nolan Foster
I think that was the original demo organiser, he was reading off the response from officials and getting booed
John Jackson
Sky news is all peaceful this peaceful that but the locals have already made it clear they're not happy having the discourse manipulated like that, telling the media to fuck off and booing the mounted pigs
Jose Brown
lol, Sky
Samuel Mitchell
"accountability and answers" says the media. This wouldn't have happened if they weren't poor etc. from the crowds. They have mire class-conciousness than you would think because of all the gentrification, poor doors and that lot.
Logan Lee
I want to see some porky corpses before the cops drop the hammer.
Christian Watson
looks like some kids are masking up
Owen Price
dubs and riots happen
Asher Moore
The police tried getting the council workers out, they're being attacked by the crowd. They're asking for calm, a good sign you've lost control.
Jackson Reed
yup. tiniest spark could set this whole thing off
Sebastian Brown
They're bumping up the death toll to try and placate people.
Josiah Nguyen
HERE WE GO
Lincoln Johnson
kensington soviet when
Nathaniel Edwards
it still counts even if it's not the last digits
Carter Baker
Somebody apparently tackled a reporter which is why the live feeds have gone down.
Andrew White
Yeah, keep shitting your pants, Sky.
Ayden Brooks
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Aaron Long
Have you seen how "reasonable" the pigs are being keeping their numbers thinned so they don't make it kick off, not every day you see them like that. They're trying to push the idea that it was "peaceful" at first and that it's an isolated event instead of a systemic problem but you can tell loads of them know that's complete bollocks.
Connor Taylor
no one has even contacted the surviving victims an and the families of the missing/dead? honestly what the fuck
Austin Butler
Yeah, the biggest sign they've lost control is the police urging the crowd to remain calm. I bet they're shuttling in officers as we speak as there isn't a carrot to give in this situation.
Aaron Allen
Theresa May trapped in a fucking church by the protesters
May is basically trying to ship them off when there's loads of empty unused houses hoarded by the rich locally. They keep replaying the speech by that organiser guy and you can hear a lass in the background saying "absolute shit".
Owen James
Confirmed on Sky, evacced by two riot vans.
Nathaniel Howard
time to storm westminster
Nathan Murphy
I think it may be too late to start throwing cash around.
ok saw that now. is there any other news feed than sky news covering this live? anybody know?
Levi Jones
Let us know if you find one. Sky is playing a loop of viewer friendly material.
Carter Smith
O N E M I L L I O N N E
M I L L I O N
Hudson Miller
This entire situation is pure, unmitigated
JUST U S T
John Lee
Theresa May is fucking cooked. I'll be surprised if she survives this, politically or not.
Brody Fisher
She very nearly got herself cooked in a literal sense ten minutes ago. They had to bring armed police in to get her out.
Nathan Campbell
May must be shitting bricks right now.
Benjamin Myers
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Brandon Cruz
Must be plenty of backbench Tories thinking right now that getting rid of May would cool everything off
Isaiah Cruz
Labourfeed 🌹 @labourfeed 59m59 minutes ago Demands from protesters occupying Kensington Town Hall: 1. Rehouse victims locally 2. Council funds to help 3. Full list of tower residents
How the fuck have they not released a full list of residents already?
Anthony Walker
Which Tory heavyweight will come out as critical of the government as a champion of the victims in their bid for PM?
Dylan Myers
Because the odds are good that a bunch of the bodies are fucking ashes. They might never get a definite answer.
Jose Myers
They'll know how many residents there were and how many are missing, the dead will almost certainly be in three figures.
Austin Garcia
Why would they listen though? Building's on fire! I mean, fuck that.
I think they're leaving the town hall and going to Grenfell Tower itself
Anthony Gray
Slightly behind, but did anyone notice the media saying that reports of the fire being started deliberately are false? Hardly anyone said this, is it an attempt to discredit the protesters?
Lincoln Howard
Mass chants of "Tories OUT" heard now.
Cooper Smith
lmao in the comments Fuck off you Tory little shite.
Oliver Peterson
Well, obviously.
Ethan Sanders
I was just about to post this, every single story has a one-liner like that.
They're trying to delegitimise the protesters calls against the gov and the tories by implying the protesters are blaming the fire directly on the gov rather than on tory austerity and class war against them.
Owen Edwards
Fucking Holla Forumsyps
Juan Price
god why
David Reed
Reminder to fight these people whenever you see them, they're intel collectors.
Ian Howard
Glorious
Jayden Green
classic political tactic to delay any conclusions or blame that implicates until the "official report" come out, by which point the anger has died down
we can just hope the people down let her get away with it this time
Austin Walker
huh, finally a steam that's not censored based on the fact I am not in the UK. Thanks…. uh… Putin…….
Isaac Allen
they seem to be operating under the delusion these people are blaming white people
like how insulated do you have be for that to be your main take-away
Henry Harris
everyday i'm closer and closer to posadism
Jaxson Watson
What's the fucking point of having a community liaison officer if you're just gonna have them betray any of the trust given to them? That's just asking for things to escalate
Jordan Sanchez
Kites in Denmark tho…
Nathaniel Evans
yeah everyone should switch to this stream
Jonathan Adams
Wut?
Josiah Ward
Some shit on the Sky stream.
Matthew Cox
Holla Forums and /britpol/ have been sperging out about 'muh raceriot' and how the protesters are a threat to white britain. rightist 'anti-establishment' position is as usual to single out a section of the proletariat and attack them as a threat whenever anyone even raise their voice against the state or Capital. Establishment shills and porky cocksuckers the lot of them.
Nicholas Nguyen
the number of dead definitely exceeds 100, some are saying even more than 200
the government are micromanaging rage, as lilly allen said. the truth of what happened will trigger something huge.
Justin Torres
The chat is unironically more entertaining than the stream tbh
Adrian Stewart
Lol, the wording by the Holla Forumsish people in the comments is eerily similar to SJW rhetoric of "somethingsomething scum"
Jeremiah Perry
Cycled in light of current HABEDDINGS :—DDDD
Hudson Sanders
You really have to be a fucking moron to act that way, literally something must be wrong in your brain.
Christopher Russell
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Lucas Bennett
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Eli Sanchez
Jesus Britian, who are these clowns?
Angel Ortiz
here we go.. here we fucking go!!!
Jonathan Stewart
>SIGNIFICANTLY UPWARD
Lucas Cook
hall monitors
William Richardson
just shows their irrelevance. everything about this uproar has been about class and porky's disastrous rule, and yet they think its about idpol
Camden Ortiz
I literally clapped, in front of my computer all alone, at "10th downing street"
Logan Adams
thanks duder
i fear triple digits
Wyatt King
Oh boy.
Robert Gutierrez
What a timeline!
Jason Nguyen
Feels bad man
Camden Sullivan
is it autism?
Dominic Barnes
HAPPENING
Kayden Stewart
I'm here in Ireland so I'll just join the Eire International Battalion when the revolution begins.
Ryan Long
What if she has an itchy trigger finger and calls in the army/has the police open fire?
Samuel Williams
Be nice to her. She's not used to acting like a human
Gabriel Kelly
Now we're rollin'.
Wyatt Richardson
Corbyn will be Supreme Commissar by tomorrow
Joshua Morales
Ed Helms is a London firefighter?
Aiden Powell
Lol, NPR: "This tragedy is being politicized."
Never trust liberals.
Ryan Harris
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Gavin Myers
You bet your ass it is! It would be utterly foolish not to take advantage of it while you can. Stupid liberals.
Noah Reyes
I was thinking of going to Rojava but by the looks of things I can fight the revolution in my own back garden.
every time someone is marching on the streets their signs are there
Gavin Collins
c-can Australia be Corbyn aswell?
Nolan Rodriguez
You peeps started this shit, you might as well get us out.
Jonathan Martinez
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Jace Garcia
This is the funniest shit I've experienced this month.
Isaac Brown
Don't worry, we'll save you.
Can't let Australia turn into the British version of Taiwan.
Jaxson Gutierrez
Does anyone know how many people are still missing?
Cooper Fisher
odds on jezza or mcdonnell going down to give a speech?
Luke Nguyen
30 confirmed dead, 76 missing
Isaac Roberts
I have over 10,000 reaction images, but I'm just now noticing that few of them are sad.
Aaron Barnes
fantastic if it happens
Charles Ward
Anti riot cops will be deployed, people are going to get hurt, which is going to piss people off. Probably keep things stirred up over the weekend. If labour can capitalize then May will be out on her ass by Monday.
But if somebody gets killed, well. That's a horse of another color innit.
Caleb Murphy
Fuck me, the guy directly reading that last message…
Tyler Fisher
I feel you. If one cannot find sorrow or sadness, might as well use anger born from despair.
Blake White
how can a 5 year old carry his mother though
Juan Cruz
As sick as it is to say if someone gets killed in the protests or riots then there will be unfathomable outrage and blood on the streets. I can't see any British government surviving that if it happens.
Jace Sanchez
what kind of brain parasite do they have?
Ian Bennett
we have some 'detention centres' that have just become available which may be of some use…..
fuck.
Alexander Johnson
His home was on fire. I got it from the Sky News interview with the firefighter, go check it out yourself. It was only like 10 minutes ago.
Cooper Williams
People in extreme situations become unbelievably strong at times, perhaps as a result of the extreme adrenaline. You see this for example in lynchings, people just become fucking mad and give in.
Jack Martin
Same way we can carry the weight of the world.
Carter Robinson
I'm seeing literally zero media coverage of the huge march outside Ruptly, and the stream only has around 600 views. In my opinion, we should spread the stream as far as we can because porky is doing a total media blackout
Oh without a fucking doubt, probably just have to tick a box next to his name at this point. Surveillance here is getting stupid.
Luis Murphy
fucking kill me
Josiah Wood
I fucking wish one of those faggots would go out with their faggot flag and get try to defend Theresa May.
One of them getting stomped to death is exactly the momentum this march needs.
William Morales
see: >>1776915
Landon Ortiz
I'd send them to the Lunar Labour Camp, tbh.
Kayden Green
If only you knew…..
Lucas Hernandez
Thanks bud.
Nathaniel Robinson
What will it take for Amerifats to wake up like this?
James Evans
Crowd's thinning out - liberals/police killed the movement in its infancy.
Kayden Ortiz
Probably not as much as we expect, but they'd be quelled by liberals, just like this.
Oliver Scott
Isn't this just one march? There are probably several going on atm.
Tyler Cox
Amerishoots are in too deep.
It would take class-conscious force-feeding of WW1 proportions to snap them out of it. Maybe if things get worse and literal right wing death squads show them how effective their liberalism is.
Juan Ramirez
This was from Kensington - if this one doesn't make advances none of them will.
James Russell
mcdonnell is on his way to whip the crowd into revolutionary anger
Thomas Walker
She isn't American.
John Scott
the next crisis is going to be under trumps watchful eye so i think there's a chance
Brody Torres
Haha no way, source?
Grayson Scott
Seriously?
Brayden Hall
You better not be joking
William Hill
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Levi Cook
Old news, keep up dear.
Ryder Rodriguez
I don't think so. Storming the town hall was a huge escalation of tactics. It all depends on what the lumpenkids will do next, possibly tonight
Grenfell resident now imprisoned for longer than entirety of Kensington council.
Isaac King
Haven't heard anything about this so dont get your hopes up, he was calling for a million person march just yesterday though so he wouldn't suprise me.
Thomas Perez
Don't worry.
When it gets to real nigga hours all the liberals will be fast asleep and the real work can get done.
Gavin Bell
Too many people are fucking leaving, it's not happening
Henry Cook
In a bit more than 1 hour Frankie Boyle's going to be ripping the election and the fire on BBC2. Anyone got a globally accessible live feed? Anyone wanna do a livestream maybe?
Adam Fisher
Liberals have done it again - a few nice little speeches, a chant, and a march, and it's over. They have proven their point!
What does this have to do with anything?
Julian Hernandez
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Cameron Harris
How do you know that? Are you sure you're not just a burger that wants us to stream BBC programmes for you? :^)
Matthew Hill
There's another protest tomorrow, and at the rate the tories are fucking everything up we could still get a riot
Sebastian Peterson
theyve could've crossed that fence, one flimsy little fence and theyd still be going. not trying to be clever in this tragic hour but it reminds me of that may 68 quote "beneath the pavement, a beach". "behind the fence, a beach"
Nolan Bennett
Just use a vpn or proxy, the account system isn't implemented yet and it's an honour system for tv licence atm (the bbc deserve a kick in the bollocks for their election coverage).
Matthew Adams
Let's have a look at the weather…
Juan Clark
Can you explain what that means to a brainlet like me?
Jacob Jones
liberals in the crowd stopped protest pushing past tinly police fence > march becomes stagnant > diffusing without achieving much.
The smug self-satisfaction and "i pity you, unenlightened friend"-face. Execution is too kind.
Hudson Myers
watching the fucking queen looking confused as someone wails in despair makes me want the community to start ripping her apart from limb to limb
Luke Gray
Is it illegal to be blunt with her? Everyone seems to be rejoicing at the smell of her farts.
Aaron Long
Human life is valuable and diversity of opinion allows for the growth of ideas such as socialism………..but I want to kill freemarketers with a hammer.
Blake James
"police did nothing" never heard such bollocks in my life, they're doing everything they can to let the tories off the hook and dissociate the tower fire from the long trail of death and suffering they leave in their wake. They could've easily stormed the pigs.
Jordan Stewart
Send vid?
Nicholas Powell
If any of you comrades are ever in a situation like this, a bit of advice. Don't try to sit there and convince the liberal that violent action is justified just do it. The longer you sit there and argue the lower and lower the revolutionary potential becomes.
Lucas Hill
ok but how do you keep the crowd with you? just ignore the lib?
Jonathan Clark
yes
Jeremiah Brooks
Shoulda just bashed him in the gob. AGAINST THE FENCE OR AGAINST THE WALL, TRAITOR
Jeremiah Price
Make a speech about how violence towards workers are rampant, and non-violence has no effect, so why shouldn't we kill these faggots?
Only a liberal who's been waiting for the opportunity to be a smug lecturing retard would be as calm as the liberal. He might just be a police plant.
Ryder Allen
This
Jayden Powell
To be fair I wouldn't expect anything else.
From the day she was born she's lived in a sheltered bubble where the lives of everyone else may as well seem like they're happening on Pluto.
Xavier Diaz
it was on the sky news stream about 12 minutes ago, I'm sure they will show it again as they seem to loop coverage
Parker Smith
Comrade Cromwell had the right idea
Isaiah Lee
Can you site sources because from my studies if anything things are worse for blacks now then they were since the 1970s.
They are not class conscious because that accelerationist meme is bullshit. You need breathing room AND leardership to raise clas consciousness. If your living paycheck to paycheck working 3 jobs you have no time or means to absorb theory.
This is why I support reformist when I can, yes I know such Dems wee responsible for voting in Hitler, but I support Green Party and more left candidates when I can.
Nathan Butler
dont worry about the libshit telling people to be nice to the porkies, this is not going away, there's gonna be riots over the next few nights. Get yourselves down to London on the first of July, if thats not huge and really fucking rowdy I'll eat my doc martens.
James Hernandez
What did four mean by this?
Isaiah Thompson
The beginning of July is the end of June, I guess.
Yeah he's wrong. The real key is you only see the blacks whose conditions ARE improving while city after city gentrification continues to push the poorer communities out. In my city for example they can't even drink the fucking water anymore without getting severe lead poisoning and there's record levels of homelessness in the black communities. Those people aren't going to come up on a fucking survey
I have a feeling this is gonna make my blood pressure skyrocket
Isaac Cook
Just finished it. Is she seriously blaming the rising housing prices in London on fucking immigration? Gulags are too good for these people
Angel Hall
I honestly hope this situation escalates to something not seen in the first world before. Then we would never have to deal with these fucking people ever again.
Lincoln Gray
Imagine all the money those rich fucks are not going to invest in their luxury services.You are literally taking the livelihood away form the people who clean their pools mansions and cars. This is unacceptable.
It might look like garish luxury to you, but they are busting their ass creating jobs.
Anthony Wright
IT'S ZE J… ZE IMMIGRANDZ!!!
Gabriel Lee
I unironically want people like this to be executed after the revolution
Jack Taylor
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Logan Gomez
Someone tell these liberals the point of political militancy is to literally make the ruling class afraid so they bring about change.
Apparently she was diagnosed with cancer in 2010. Someone go tell her they hope it comes back for me.
Jason Scott
Unfortunately that was another Jane Kelly which is too bad. The journalist lives in Acton Vale, West London, though. So she's a stones throw away from angry locals if anyone wants to give them a hot tip.
Kevin Rogers
I want to post the mp4, but the extension I use to rip twitter videos broke when the layout changed. Does anyone have a recommendation? Ideally something that works on multiple websites.
Cooper Anderson
It's a good one too.
Nicholas Wright
I tried that, too. It worked two days ago, before the layout changed. Now it downloads an empty htm file.
Logan Ortiz
I guess just wait until someone updates it, or see if anyone has updated their video downloader. Do any of the sites that host a downloader have a twitter? Have you checked the plugins blog/updates for acknowledgement of the layout change?
Lincoln Wright
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Juan Johnson
If they had fought through that barricade today we may have been seeing it now.
Ryder Bennett
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Joseph Garcia
Watching footage of the Battle of Seattle right now, maybe we'll see something like that down here if the people's anger can be channeled right. Godspeed.
Except no criminal offences will have been committed, because the criminals run the fucking government, so nothing they did was "illegal."
Asher Barnes
Or someone will take a 5 year vacation in a prison resort, then back to their gaudy life of luxury.
Thomas Evans
aren't you british. you should go down and make some nice vidoes while agitating comrade
Samuel Scott
There was a Kensington user who disappeared and there's Afroplasm who lives in London, but generally getting to and staying in London from most places in the UK costs a fortune.
Leo Peterson
THE FIRE IS FUCKING RISING
Nicholas Nelson
don't worry, libs pissed all over it and put it out before anyone got burnt
Jace Butler
Jfc, look at the comments now. THIS is why nationalism is abhorrent. They're just shouting about muslims instead of the topic at hand. How ignorant can some people be?
Jaxson Robinson
Do you feel it? The anger, the rage? We must use it as fuel for our journey
Oliver Collins
They can't contain it forever not with comrade Jezza in the lead
Evan Butler
YT comments are always filled with burger trump supporters that have nothing to do with the subject. Especially if the video is about Europa.
Example:
Julian Carter
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SUBMIT TO YOUR DESIRES
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YOU DREAM OF RAPING BOURGIE TRASH SLUTS OVER A PILE OF CORPSES. SUBMIT AND BE FREE
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Xavier Butler
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Cooper Williams
Its true though. We have the same situation here in Sweden, too many immigrants in too fast leads to Rising housing prices, simple supply and demand.
Liam Thomas
The fuck? As if people wouldnt pay a bit more for sprinkler, fire alarms and fireproofing.
Dylan Young
That's not the case and everyone in the UK knows it except dense Tories playing dumb. It's widely known nationally that London is a dumping ground for foreign money, the entire capital is a long term car park for Saudi, Russian and Chinese cash.
David Brown
Reminder that the expensive fire sprinkler is a red herring and that the fire proof insulation could be afforded at less than £10 per resident.
Yeah, I'm not sure how it works because I am not a super rich porker whose main problem in life is "how the fuck do I hide all this money?" but here is how I think it goes down: UK has lowest corporation tax in Europe Tax exemptions for property Property investment in the UK is good to get in on because half the government are greedy landlords that will never let the value go down, and the price has been increasing massively for years
End result: Loads of people put their businesses in the UK, then buy up property in the capital since that's where property value increases the fastest and because instead of paying more tax they're now making more money in property speculation that's off the books.
Adrian Parker
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Lincoln Brown
The problem is that we aren't building shit AT ALL in the major cities. Even if remove immigrants we won't have enough houses and apartments. And you can't say that immigrants are doing most of the pushing of the housing price since it's usually the non-immigrant areas and in the inner cities where shit explodes.
Go to country side and you can find a couple of houses for the same price of 1 apartment in Stockholm.
John Richardson
There is a housing surplus, not a shortage. The is a shortage is of people able to pay what the owners demand, and no incentive to lower rents because letting the poors live inside only drives down the value.
Eli Baker
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Kayden Hill
THEY ARE NOT RENTING THE PROPERTIES
Adam Myers
mea culpa, I somehow missed that you were talking about Sweden
Julian Adams
I'm talking about Britain.
William Russell
I'm not really near London and my job is like one day on one day off right now, idk maybe I should be going down but I need work even if it's dehumanising shit. Plus that's not really a kind of video I would know how to make anyways.
Jackson Cruz
The swedish housing bubble is propped up by high demand, speculation, low interest rates and low requirements on getting loan. The central bank even has a negative interest rate on keeping money there, in order to encourage speculation in assets thus driving up prices.
Add that to the fact that only luxury apartments are being built, with many of them being left empty due to just not being sold or being bought purely in speculation. This leads to the ridiculous situation we have today, muh immigrants is merely a small factor in this. Blaming the housing bubble on muh immigrants is like blaming it on individual house owners being "greedy".
Christian Cooper
lolwut
If anything, the biggest real estate dealers in the UKuck are middle eastern.
John Ward
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Xavier Green
I highly doubt that is the case. Here in Norway housing prices are high because of several factors: housing sharks (speculators) buying up everything and pushing up the prices, most property is owned by a select few families, realtors who facilitate the sales usually work for the banks that give the loans, and finally almost only large contractors get to develop land, and they build slick looking apartments with the shittiest materials you can imagine and they (if they own what they're building) or the owning company make insane profits. Through these measures banks, realtors, contractors, and speculators (oftentimes the same businesses occupy many of these roles) control the housing market by not building or selling anything if the profits aren't high enough, and when people are screaming for housing and are willing to pay whatever (and banks tell them how much money they can take in a loan, which is at the sweet spot of max profit vs min risk for the bank) corrupt municipal politicians and bureaucracy gives the green light for these faggots to develop the few green areas that are left. This usually ends with shitty, slick looking, insanely small homes crammed into the last green lungs or agricultural areas of the municipality and sold for dizzying profits.
Also, even municipal housing meant for people who are not well off money wise is sold at market price, not at material value.
So, seeing as the housing market is firmly in bourgeois hands this ("bubble") would happen whether or not immigration and population growth occurred.
Henry Cook
Nearly 1/3 of Sweden's current population are immigrants. Porky "investment" antics certainly aren't helping, but you can't increase population that much in a mature 1st-world economy without causing problems.
It's just a meme, bro. Honestly, we should bring back the shamrock, given the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧DUP🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧's intervention, and Scotland's Tory turn.
Kayden Morgan
vnderrated post
Hudson Flores
Did you even comprehend what I was saying? Just kill yourself
Dylan Murphy
Yes, and your idea that negative interest bonds are a porky plot to force asset speculation (which is precisely backward, they came into being because porky had already exhausted every vehicle in which to stash their plunder other than government debt, so some central banks have been intelligent enough to take advantage of this by restricting cash supplies and pushing interest as low as possible on their bonds), for instance, indicates you might not know entirely what you're talking about.
Jason Cruz
Respond to my post then instead of parrotting your immigration redpills
Jonathan Kelly
Hmm, maybe we shouldn't focus on being particularly clever when commenting on asinine comments and clips in the mainstream media, but just do something like this. Let's figure out whether a writer or TV pundit is a landlord (or that person's parents) and cont how often that is the case.
Someone posted this excerpt from this speech earlier & others were wanting that link to share on social media. So, thank you for finding it & posting it.
Ian Butler
can someone shoop this hat on her pls
Aaron Ortiz
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Aiden Sullivan
How is "stashing plunder in government debt" a good idea when a negative interest rate will give you less money at maturation than when the bonds were bought? That doesn't sound like a very porky thing to do.
Matthew Morris
Look at all these liberal slugs pearl-clutching over their beloved property rights
The only thing the middle classes care about is protecting their own property Scum
Thomas Garcia
YEEESSSSSSS
It's a human sacrifice to the gods of the free market
Juan Torres
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Joseph Kelly
I genuinely hope he's involved in a car crash. Lmao, look how lame & cringey his cover pic is, btw. He's a fucking meme & should never be taken seriously. The fact that people do take him seriously & he's influencing younger people for monetary gain is what makes me completely despise him. All while claiming to be leftist.
He needs to not be alive, anymore.
Nathan Thomas
Watching the happening from Australia, when are you Londonfags gonna get out on the streets and fuck shit up again? Make the porky scum wish it was them whom were burnt to the shithouse.
Brandon Morgan
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John Butler
too soon
Josiah Sanders
Don't let your dreams be dreams.
Liam Perry
Posted this to Twitter, btw, using a bunch of hashtags about #Grenfell. I remembered the "Socialist Worker" tag someone earlier pointed out as well, so I added this to get some from the other side watching. Immediately got 3 likes, a couple of good responses & 3 retweets. My tweets are never popular either, still learning how to use Twitter properly for better exposure, so I'm happy about this tweet in many ways Great video.
He's just setting up a series of faux outrage videos when things go sour. He knows what he's doing. Muke or demsoc should challenge him on it.
Carson Edwards
Why is this thread here? Why does it have so many posts? This wasn't a terrorist attack, those weren't islamic terrorism victims. There will be no minute of silence in football matches, there will be no oficial statements from leaders around the world, there will be no solidarity gig with all of you favorite amierican pop celebreties. Move along, nothing to see.
Carson Scott
Epic get Aryan Holla Forumsrother - praise KEK, dubs, and heil Hoitler!!
Alexander Sullivan
Because they have so much wealth that they literally have nowhere else to put it, except for unstable instruments whose risk of default is so high that negative-interest bonds slowly nibbling away at it is safer, or actually investing in the real economy to improve industrial stock and infrastructure like "capitalists" are supposed to. The capital glut is so incredibly severe, stable governments have porky "investors" completely at their mercy if they choose to exploit them.
Carter Campbell
good, hopefully we get riots and looting instead
Josiah Thomas
Smash Tory Power!
Charles Nguyen
kill tories
Xavier Evans
Let's see who got it, lmao
Dominic Adams
Haha, those assholes
Nicholas Mitchell
Why would I be more sympathetic to a person with 2 homes than a person with none? That seems like basic… well, not logic, but it's something basic, dammit. I just woke up pls no bully
Luis Nelson
this x100
Grayson Robinson
What's happening with the protests schedule today?
Robert Barnes
What I really love is that these people type shit like this like it's a bad thing. Like, they really loathe what they're saying and I'm sitting here thinking "Yup" like they told me the sky is blue.
Christian Nelson
Yeah it was a low effort thing cuz I can't do it properly, sorry.
Hunter Edwards
If you give me that picture of May, I'll give you a shoop that's not shit. Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person on Holla Forums who knows how to use photoshop. For three years.
Its one fucking link from the autism one you dumb fuck.
Robert Edwards
That one's clearly smaller than the one the other guy used. I could just scale it up, but I'd like to make sure there's a better image first. Maybe you should sit down and shut up while I try and do something nice for you.
Nicholas Harris
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Daniel Long
Oh, I guess you did just upscale it. Well, alright then, give me a few minutes.
Benjamin Butler
wew, the hat was a little big and did not please my autism How's this?
Jason Morales
pretty good overall, although it's kinda hard to read the writing on the cap
Cameron Davis
can't read shit bud
Gabriel Adams
I made it bigger, but my autism demanded that I throw some film grain on the hat so it doesn't stick out too much.
Brandon James
Uh, is anyone else having trouble opening this image?
Christopher Brown
I do not claim to fully understand what I am doing, to be honest.
Owen Bennett
When are we just going to get on with the revolution already? I have a real itch to see Osborne strung up from a lamppost and half of the homes of the super rich only streets away from Grenfell get looted and burned by the people they look down their noses at.
Colton Sullivan
Look at those biceps, listen to his eloquence. The fash don't stand a fucking chance
Carson Miller
Scold me next, papi.
Hunter Hernandez
How do you want it fam? Hard or soft?
John White
You're supposed to tell me ;^) Tbh I dunno, now I'm scared that someone replied, lmao
Brandon King
with access to the single market
Eli Torres
Wow, user, you're scared because someone responded to your post on the internet? You fucking baby, get a grip, that's pathetic. Do you wet your pants when someone knocks at your front door too, faggot?
Jayden Wilson
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Asher Cooper
And now you're getting off to it? What the fuck is your problem? Who raised you to be like this? You're a sad excuse of a human being, user, just go crawl in a hole and slit your throat already.
Brody Martin
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Matthew Jenkins
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Hunter Garcia
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Benjamin Sullivan
Literally shaking rn
Eli Ortiz
thx guys :3
Colton King
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Thomas Thomas
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Zachary Foster
Good lord, brits
Connor Reed
One of the most punchable faces I've ever seen. Up there with pic related.
Joshua Barnes
You know the establishment will immediately spin any proposals about giving empty houses to people as if you asked for making random grandmas homeless for the lulz, similarly to how they spin anything about redistributing stuff. That's why the issue of what is legitimate protection of individual rights over something should always be phrased in terms of in-person access to it. That is, the thing as a use value.
I am not prevented from listening to a song by you making a copy of it, whatever the legal system has to say about that. In a legal system organized around the production of use values instead of maximizing a few assholes' profits, there would be no conflict here between what the law says and what you are likely to do anyway and what I frankly don't give a shit about. For physical things we don't have to make all decisions based on tricky comparisons between different people about who of them needs or wants something in a more intensive way, comparisons that are basically speculation (though there are some interesting methods for teasing out approximately honest answers).
There are physical limits to how much a single person of crazy wealth could possibly consume in food etc. and there is so much stuff in the world and the gap between the richest and the poorest is so big that we can make big changes to who owns what while still pretty much respecting that you keep what you do use yourself. A person who owns a dozen houses is physically incapable of occupying them simultaneously and obviously uses them as a means to obtain income. And so on.
Jackson Gray
‘ROYAL’ BOROUGH ONLY FOR THE ‘RIGHT PEOPLE’
"According to Cabinet Member for Housing Cllr Rock Feilding-Mellen, the new policy concentrates on providing social housing for ‘the right people’, these being ‘households and families in the middle of the income spectrum’.
Opposition Labour Deputy Leader Cllr Emma Dent Coad said:
‘I am saddened and sickened by this blatant effort to rid the borough of low income and vulnerable families."
You know, this almost makes me think that they burned down the building on purpose, as a form of population control.
Josiah Reyes
The more 'diverse' residents and special the old and infirm among them on the upper floors.
It feels a bit at times like they planned this whole flame-grilled tower burger of 'diversity.'
Jaxson Walker
Isn't it obvious?
Why on earth do you think 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧they🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 carried out £8.6m regeneration works last year and only succeeded in making the building less safe?
That tower block has had numerous fires over the past three decades yet only the most recent one has ended in catastrophe. The decision to use the more flammable cladding was not simply a cost cutting exercise (only saved £5k).
🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧They🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 knew exactly what they were doing.
I wonder how much in benefits the government has been saved on spending for the 50 to 100 people that died
Jeremiah Davis
So what's happening tonight?
Blake Fisher
Revolution hopefully.
Camden Kelly
Is there another march planned?
Henry Anderson
Not sure. Surprised there isn't more spontaneous rioting though.
Daniel Cox
should have happened last night, the moment's gone
Henry Fisher
These numbers should be worked out.
If you can't find one, maybe try to start one?
Eli Morgan
Everyone stopped giving a shite when it was revealed the tower was full of wogs Screeching
Jose Kelly
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Zachary Edwards
Probably because of the weather tbh
Aaron Scott
The moment is never gone, comrade.
Liam Lee
Short, sweet & to the point; saved.
Adam Wood
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Austin Long
Just needs one more panel of him shooting one of the bystanders
Or is that too obvious
Logan Diaz
no it needs a panel of him shooting the sign guy or is that too on the nose?
Levi Wright
Remove the top hat or someone will go "capitalists don't do that"
Luke Young
The best MS paint comic I've seen in years.
Ethan Wilson
It would underscore the ineffectiveness of peaceful protesting if one of the others got shot, but that's just my two labor vouchers
Jacob Gray
It's perfect the way it is. Literally the only thing that could possibly improve it is another two panels with the guy with the sign leaving and the capitalist keeps gunning people down.
Charles Murphy
I'm not saying it ain't fine as it is
Aaron Wilson
I NEED THAT SONG.
Xavier Williams
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Dylan Scott
I wish I knew what it was too.
Mason Morales
fucked based he needs to start a British Black Panther party
She keeps Moet and Chandon In a pretty cabinet "Let them eat cake", she says Just like Marie Antoinette…
Christopher Morris
Here's a free (You)
Isaiah Lewis
Is /britpol/ trying to invade or something Here, have some free (You)s for effort and leave, the adults are trying to have a proper conversation here
Eli Martin
May as well decycle this thread now: 1) Absolutely nothing happened today 2) No inquest, public inquiry instead, will probably wait till Monday to let death toll go over 100 so everyone's at work 3) Crowd were won over yesterday by le rational liberal of public relations and proper channels 4) Kensington = Cucks All momentum has been lost, this is now a several year long shitshow where lessons will be learned.
Anthony Baker
Yes, this guy speaks the truth. Let's all just be reasonable here, guys. I mean, it's not like 9/11 or anything.
Don't you guys have to be a work about now?
Blake Thomas
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Adrian Jones
no, fuck off
Samuel Nelson
The more you downplay the anger, the more anger there will be. Really poor choice of words, given the circumstances. You faggots would never confront these people in the streets & say such things.
You realize you're just a useful tool for porky, right?
look at the flag
Jordan Taylor
Who are you talking about?
Luis Hughes
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Ayden Brown
Put your fingers in your ears harder, this is Hillsborough 2.0.
Ebin. Those aren't fire deaths, those are fall deaths I'd quite happily confront and punch the fuckwit that decided to continue going down the course of legal action after it was proven not fit for use.
Oliver Perry
nice copypasta
Elijah Scott
Reported. Try harder next time. Come back later if you want to ever seriously talk about politics.
Jacob Clark
Hope you get banned for abusing the report system tbqh.
Levi Foster
You're transparent as hell. I didn't respond because taking bait derails threads; which is your only purpose here.
James Carter
You are responding, you are derailing the thread. Shut the fuck up you self-righteous little twat.
Lucas Hernandez
1st july gona be a bit of craic i reckon
Asher Martinez
We've just had the hottest day of the year and nothing has happened, people are even reusing footage and news from Friday. May is apparently going to attempt to hold onto government for two years and not have a Queen's speech next year. mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-cancel-next-years-queens-10640737
Christopher Reed
Yes this is what I was getting at!
Ryder Foster
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Austin Wright
Which is why it is hair-rainingly crazy to hear class conscious shit like that.
Jace Allen
What is?
Brayden Peterson
I would enjoy it very much if there was some kind of webm of MC ride doing this and then Robbespiere popping in at the end with the national razor, and then repeating several times, and then suddenly it him getting his head chopped
Christopher Edwards
I think it's Irish for "merriment" or something similar
Tyler Gutierrez
banter
Brandon Brown
1st july is the national demo. things will roll on til then.
craic is leprechaunized anglosaxon meaning FUN. but then u can have bad craic, bad fun don't make much sense
Jackson Roberts
So, "crack" would be the burger translation ;^) Thanks for explaining
What do you think lads? Will the march on July 1st be Poll Tax Riots 2: Electric Boogaloo? Will you be there?
William Lewis
The biggest injustice is that the poor get burned alive in their homes and he doesn't.
Wyatt Gray
Just remind the autists that "if you don't use it, you lose it". Should be simple enough for knuckle draggers to remember
Jordan Russell
1st july's a bit crap in belfast and i cant leave the country so will monitor proceedings from a bar somewhere. but everyone who can be there should make the effort. beyond their immediate purpose big demos are a way to network for future organisation.
This guy says he saw it burn and doesn't think it was started by a fridge.
Joseph Powell
He doesn't say that it wasn't started by a fridge, when he says "I don't think that was entirely an accident" he's implying that the flammable material has deliberately been strapped to the building to provoke disaster and clear out the rest of the tower blocks from the area.
Pic from a reply he got. Can people who read Breitbart be saved?
Evan Turner
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Eli Ramirez
How many liberals took to stop the march? Anyone know how many people the march had?
Have you seen the law in question? It's a flat-out attack on free speech on the internet. It's one of those laws that literally everyone has broken at one time or another, but the government only enforces when it needs someone to go away.
Don't forget insurance payout and the opportunity to build another empty luxury vbuilding in its place.
I suggest adding something to make the liberal different, and the last panel has the liberal walking past the shooter and saying something that makes it clear they're close ("see ya at the pub, Whomever").
There's a good chance these stats are botted. It's ridiculous how big botting has gotten, in aRussian mall you can buy likes and thumbs-up and whatever in a fucking ATM-like thing.
Michael Foster
it's weird you're falling into the same game of one political party is better than the other!!! but the building design for that tower was a death trap so no one gets a pass lmfao
Luke Moore
One.
Easton Walker
Reminder that Robespierre's error was not killing reactionaries fast enough.
You gotta be fucking kidding me.
Jeremiah Ramirez
I swear anybody how has the UK flag in their name or profile picture always turns out to be a Tory retard
Christopher Hughes
These motherfuckers
Henry Jones
What is the response to this?
Joshua Sullivan
I'd rather live in Lancashire any day than London.
Ian Murphy
But if you work in London you're fucked
Evan Collins
Most of those in those towers did not work.
Austin Wood
This is where their family, friends, community, and jobs are.
Jason Davis
[citation needed]
Logan Gonzalez
It was social housing full of refugees.
Aaron Williams
Preston and Lancaster's pretty nice, but it's not really the sort of place you want to wind up getting stuck in a white area if you're old, alone and Muslim, typically.
Grayson Sanchez
Preston is an absolute shit hole I was talking about other areas of Lancashire and Lancashire has many cities / towns with a lot of muslims such as Burnley so I don't think they'd feel too bad.
Elijah Hernandez
Wew have you been to the backwaters? Forgot Burnley is doing alright now.
Joseph King
Well I went to university in Preston for a year and it utterly depressed me, I'm from Yorkshire so it shouldn't be too different but it really felt like it was, horrible place and the locals are a special kind of nasty, all the students were warned not to go on nights out on Friday/Saturday because that's when all the locals go out.
William Campbell
Preston is one of the safest places in Lancs, it actually has a police force.
Joshua Wilson
Well recently the worst street in Britain for crime was in Preston town centre.
Nathan Ward
[citation needed]
Kevin Jones
Just look at the list of the dead / missing and their descriptions.
Lucas Allen
How recently? The figures I found said London and Manchester, and then it was just reported crime - other places don't report it because the response time is so high and they take no further action
Do you live in a city in Yorkshire by any chance?.
Joseph Williams
most of them are black or Asian, that doesn't mean they are all refugees you retard
No I live in a town but I've lived near Leeds before and I found Preston to be a lot worse than Leeds.
Camden Butler
It's mindless to rehouse refugees in London if a flat in London could pay for 3 in another part of the country, it makes absolutely no sense and is a waste of money that could be used to help other people.
Austin Ward
The map was just glitched. I think I recognise the street and it's just your typical post-industrial abandoned factory district. Preston probably is more dangerous than Leeds, but what I'm saying is that Preston is far safer than most other places in Lancs. I'm pretty sure there's a serial killer in my town the authorities are pinning on accidents.
Carson Sullivan
Yes no doubt you are right I am just comparing it to my experiences.
Cooper Edwards
not if its empty and requisitioned by the government
Tyler Wright
Philip Hammond doesn't understand how water works.
Ayden Wright
It's still worth three times the price of a flat elsewhere in the country and the government would have to reimburse the owner.
Jack Carter
That's where you're wrong, kiddo!
Asher Garcia
LOL no. Not doing so would be against human rights laws that the UK has internationally obligated themselves to uphold. I'm still in favour of them doing it, and to also follow it up with making stricter laws regarding housing speculation, but there's no way for the state to get their hands on these houses without reimbursing. This is definitely expropriation and the European convention on human rights just plainly states that expropriation has to be reimbursed.
Easton Ortiz
Then the owners of the property will take the government to court and win substantial amounts of money therefore costing alot more than just rehousing those people outside of London.
Also this
Zachary Foster
Reimburse them however much they paid for it adjusted for inflation.
Housing aside, other living expenses are also far higher in London than the rest of the UK. But then, taking them into a 1st-world country at all wastes dozens or hundreds of times more money per refugee than using foreign aid to support them elsewhere.
Really, this isn't about fiscally sane action on any level, it's about people who are victims of a disastrous failing by British government and business being treated as disposable, and failing in their obligations to ensure disasters are absorbed gently by the whole of society (or particularly those responsible, in cases where that is obviously so, such as this) rather than harshly by its victims alone. The UK can't allow such antics to continue unpunished without their whole society coming unraveled.
Levi Morales
Reminder that Parliament routinely outright ignores European law since its authority is below British parliamentary legislation.
You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, do you? There are laws to requisition properties with compensation in the UK already.
Christian Cook
Eminent domain is not the same as what you are thinking, it also takes a long time to go through the process.
Jack Turner
Pretty sure eminent domain is a US thing.
Matthew Hall
No a similar thing exist here.
Justin Johnson
Wew lad en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_purchase_in_England_and_Wales#Procedure I am looking forward to seeing if various Saudi, Chinese and Russian billionaires who purchased their properties through shell corporations and tax avoidance schemes even become aware of what's happening within three weeks.
Ryan Jones
Jog on lad, even in your wildest dreams this is never happening.
Jordan Long
I was talking about the practicalities for when Chairman Jezza takes back control, gives us a strong and stable government and implements a long term economic plan and so on.
Jason Hill
Unfortunately that will never happen and thanks to momentum Labour are going to be out of power for at least another decade.
Hunter Murphy
Since when is the red flag being used by blairites?
Parker Gonzalez
I'm not a Blairite I align myself more with old Labour policies, something that momentum are no where near.
That's where you virtue signallers belong not a true Labour supporter.
Alexander White
You have to go back.
Asher Myers
what's the difference?
Brandon Gray
You can't work it out yourself?
Caleb Brooks
Fuck off leddit.
Chase Myers
No. Old labour was before my time.
Jace Wilson
You mean back when they were the political arm of the militant trade unions?
Anthony Baker
I seriously fucking hate blarites like you who can't accept that they've lost control of the party so reduce themselves petty and unfounded criticisms.
Chris Leslie and your ilk will be the first ones to get purged.
Isaac Wright
It's funny how you are treating it as if Labour won the election, the momentum strategy failed and has led to yet another 5 years of Tory rule.
Brayden Bailey
Chris Leslie pls go
Gabriel Carter
Labour gained like 30 seats whilst the tories lost their majority. How is that not a victory?
This is not America. The prime minister isn't a president. Elections aren't about who gets to be head of the government they're about who can win seats.
Ryan Diaz
Corbyn got more votes than Miliband. Corbyn. Not Labour.
Isaiah Morgan
You can't even call it another 5 year Tory rule since it is a minority government so May can't act however she wants anymore
Evan Johnson
Have you seen how many votes May got?
Winning an election is getting the most seats, Labour did not get the most seats they are 70 odd short, losing less than last time is not a victory at all.
A Tory lead minority government propped up by the DUP, absolutely zero Labour policies being implemented at all.
Matthew Sanders
May is fucked. You know she is, we know she is. Stop fucking us around and wasting all of our time and get a grip with the fact this government is practically an interim coalition.
Caleb Diaz
You're right.
Making a massive gain of seats on the other hand is.
Elijah Rogers
May may be fucked but the Tory part are not that's the point. If they manage to follow through on their Brexit promises and the country doesn't go into recession after 5 years of momentum controlled Labour the choice will be an easy one for your average swing voter.
Nope, still lost just by less, still not in power, absolutely nothing achieved.
Gavin Turner
And now May has to ensure every single one of the Red Tories and DUP are on the page. Party whips are going to be really busy. Labour needs less Tory defectors to block any legislation it doesn't want too.
People tend to forget that we expected Corbyn to inevitably lose in 2020, now the tables are turned that we are expecting him to win in the next election, whenever that may be.
Carter Bennett
Tory party whips have shown how good they are this week with Hammond now coming out with hard Brexit plans, someone who is about as remainer of a Tory as you can get.
Cooper Wright
Real elections when? Labour selections when? Purge when? GULAGS FOR BLAIRITES WHEN!?
Noah Campbell
As I said this is not America. It's not the PM who runs the show like a president it's parliament, and the more seats we win in parliament the better of a position we're in.
Blake King
Not only are social liberalism (why the fuck do you think I singled out the Red Tories?) different from Brexit worries, but now party whips have to deal with both polarizing factors in the party. It is an added stress to party unity that nobody wanted to happen
Luke Butler
May is the most popular person in the Tory party. That's how fucked they are. Take this information back to Progress and have them have a good think over it.
Asher Edwards
Yes but with the DUP the Tories can get through the Queens speech and the budget, Labour can not.
Absolutely false she has never been that popular to begin with, you watch the Tories replace her with a currently not well known 40 something male in 2019 and romp home come the 2022 election.
Hunter Perez
A Queens speech that might not even be recognizable from their manifesto.
If you say so Tory
Gabriel White
Oh well thank god for that. The DUP are here to save the day.
That'll go well. In fact, it's already going great.
Ian Powell
less of the blasphemy please
t. foster
Blake Cook
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Robert Lopez
bbc reporter @ grenfell now: "i don't feel the mood is changing"
Lucas Jones
the cops should be allowed to administer instant punishment to these parasites.(GET OFF MY BOARD REEEEEEEE ACAB)
Charles Lee
W E L L I M A G I N E M Y S H O C K
Leo Smith
the workers should be allowed to administer instant punishment to these parasites.
Real talk now. Does anyone here actually expect something to come out of this?
Isaiah Bennett
Probably not under the Tories. If Labor or Sinn Fein forcing the DUP out of coalition through treaty obligations can knock over the Tory government, very possibly.
Colton Cox
Not really, although I'm not discounting the possibility. Protests are all well and good but this isn't nationwide enough and the public isn't radical enough for any genuinely revolutionary endeavour or even just toppling the current government over and forcing an election. I don't think that would even be a good thing. Labour isn't a leftist party and them capitalising on this will just be a waste, I'm more interested in this leading to a profound disillusionment with the British state altogether and local communities such as the one in Grenfell organising themselves on a mutual aid and even self defence basis. Only distancing the workers from the parliamentary politics and trust in the state can lead to a rise in radicalism and the conditions necessary for building dual power and any revolutionary endeavour in the UK.
I've been glad to see the rise in class consciousness resulting from this and hope the trend continues however. But protest is a dead end, its not going to become revolutionary and we gain little from the Tories collapsing just yet. Disillusionment in bourgeois politics and the identification of the class enemy by a rising tide of people is the greatest good we can hope for from this.
Lucas Ramirez
But that line of thinking has a flaw, imo. There is a gap between disillusionment with liberal democracy and organizing into movements to actively fight the problem, and in that gap, lies the threat of defeatist cynicism, which I'm very much guilty of. How would you suppose to overcome that pitfall that seems to gut every single momentum the far-left has managed to build in recent times.
Hunter Wright
I don't think the 'far-left' has managed to build anything in recent times. The leninist-derivative parties are for the most part tiny and more interested in their internal party disputes, the larger ones are invested into playing respectable parliamentary politics, other leftist movements in the west just aimlessly drift along trying to grasp onto causes, arbitrarily engaging in activism for a new minimum wage or any other issue or vague 99% bullshit.
We should focus on building dual power and taking hold of communities. Therein lies the seed of a revolutionary movement. Activism is always shallow and surface level, it slides off of the ideological edifice of liberalism like water off a pane of glass, what we need is a foothold and that is done through organising that isn't for 'events' but for things which are a constant part of life for those involved. Only this way can there be a public aware that the state is not on their side and of their class interest, which is the way to build a workers' vanguard that can carry out a revolution. People must be aware that they are historical agents and capable of action, not the consumer/subjects of a benevolently despotic government.
Matthew Diaz
Lmao… Sup, Sargon. May & anyone else who shit on Corbyn lost big time, especially in seats & onlookers' eyes, then had to eat their words. May fucked herself.
It's funny how you try to don the red flag, then shitpost, but are immediately called out for it. You're pushing for May… You're not redflag posting very well, lmao.
We usually ban false flaggers & rampant shitposters. You're just shitting up the thread. But at least those calling you out serve for others to see. So that's probably more effective. I just don't like to read so many posts clearly talking out of their arse. It wastes time & derails the thread from its actual topic.
Connor Kelly
DAILY REMINDER TO TORIES AND BLAIRITES
Elijah Clark
posters/flyers that are up around the Grenfell Tower and Latimer Rd Station area
Joseph Edwards
Aside from that, actually not too bad.
Joseph Morris
Protest radicalizes and galvanizes. It brings in young people in a welcoming but emotionally intense environment that doesn't come around very often and is obviously so much more effective than online clicktivism. It builds networks, friendships and solidarity. You get drilled into your head what the police are actually all about. Mass protest is always about so much more than the stated aims. Protest unites people against porky (and against cynical anti-human sociopathic SWP trots and armchair accelerationist cunts who'll still be banging on about 'it's not the right time!' while their windows are put through). The long game is about constant exhausting solidarity, always taking the risk, and building on disappointments. Try again fail again fail better.
Man socialist meetings must have been way cooler when you agree with the speaker by saying 'right on'
Joshua Sanders
Just above 1/7 is not even close to "nearly 1/3", it's actually less than half of that. You can't just count children born in Sweden from immigrants, since you were talking about a rapid population increase from immigration, and while immigrants generally have a higher birth-rate (because they're generally poorer) it's not so high that it even makes sense to call it a significant effect wrt housing issues caused by population increase. Lastly, this doesn't take into consideration the fact that a significant part of those immigrants are from neighboring countries with whom Sweden has a rougly equal emigration rate.
Jason Martin
there are two big errors that people fall into (i would like to say they are more common in young people but actually i dont think so). one is "im getting involved because the revolution is happening NOW" this is millenarianism, attracts thrillseekers and fairweather friends. the other is "im not getting involved because the revolution isnt happening yet". this can be called many things but it attracts ppl v comfortable w/ excuses. calling protest a dead end but still harumphing about building class consciousness is absurd. i was 17 in 2003, the anti-war protests did it for me. 'such chances come but once a generation.'
Hudson Edwards
Very much agreed. Holy shit, me too! Unfortunately I was drugged out during most of that time. Awesome you participated in those. I bet it was a great feeling of solidarity & woke many people up/changed them for the better as far as world politics.
Isaac Nguyen
ROCK BASIL HUGO FEILDING MELLEN IS A HAPSBURG DESCENDED ARISTOCRAT WHOSE MOTHER WAS A COUNTESS WHO PERFORMED A TREPANATION ON HERSELF try wrappin ur brain around that
Hunter Anderson
I can certainly count descendants of immigrants, since this wave of immigration has been going on since the late 1990s, and there was another giant wave of immigration during the 1980s from Eastern Europe. Speaking of which, many of these "EU internal immigrants" are in fact either from 3rd-world eastern nations added in later enlargements, are themselves descended from those who immigrated to the EU, or both. On top of this, only 2nd-generation numbers are included in that paragraph. Both waves and all their (surplus over prior projections) descendants added together could easily sum to half or more of the population.
My point is that Sweden's present day population has been MASSIVELY enlarged, and its population made vastly poorer on average, in a very short span of time, because of insane immigration policies.
Colton Powell
Your post is just steadily increasing insanity. If you're going to include their children, why does it make sense to talk about immigration at all? I don't think I understand why you're talking about immigration. what the fuck are you talking about dude? are you actually schizophrenic? I just said that it doesn't make sense to look at immigration numbers wrt housing policy if you don't take other demographic information (I brought up emigration specifically but you could also look at age distribution) into consideration. You can't just look at immigration, 15% of population being immigrates doesn't necessarily mean there was a 15% increase in population. If you actually think this, then you're completely unreliable see: fucking nuts and I dont know why the fuck I'm even writing this. Sweden had a pop of 8 mio in 1970, before any demographically significant immigration, today they have a pop of 10 mio. Even if you're being exceedingly actually not just exceedingly, more like insanely generous and say that as a result of the Swedish drop in fertility rates that their native population decreased by say half a mil. Fuck it, let's be real generous and say their fertility was so weak their population decreased by a solid million. Heck, let's say a million swedish natives emigrated over the past 40 years and never came back. Wait, fuck it, let's say 2 million swedish natives emigrated permanently. This still leaves around 5 million swedish natives and the immigrant + descendant amount at exactly half. And all this leaves out the fact that population decrease as a result of falling fertility rates hasn't begun to happen in any reasonable scale anywhere yet. It's just resulted in an older population, not a smaller one yet. Average age has increased at just about the same rate as fertility has fallen in most first world countries. Baby boomers are only just now starting to die. I had to grant you somewhere close to 3 million disappeared swedish natives for the "weak" version of your claim to be true.
Saying that swedish population is even close to half immigrants and descendants of immigrants is just so outside of the realm of reality that I don't even know why the fuck I wrote this, it's absolute insanity.
Tyler Evans
This is the highest level of porky I've ever seen
Owen Hughes
From the thumbnail I thought one of the figures in the top right corner was *autistic screeching*
Sebastian Wood
Oh fuck off you cunt. Get some stats to back up your mindless bullshit or fuck off back to reddit.
Brayden Miller
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Zachary Brooks
No, people who spent literally their whole lives within British land and culture aren't immigrants. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK.
I won't pretend I know the impact immigration had on average Swedish citizens' wealth, but I can tell you this much: if you want to stop mass immigration, attacking immigrants is barking at the wrong tree. Porky is to blame here. Hell, Porky has always been your enemy, you just don't know it yet.
The media is playing a dangerous game. They're milking the history dry to get viewers and readers, but carefully avoid the slightest implication that Tories fucked up.
How the fuck did she manage to do that?
Matthew Gomez
Yikes.
Christopher Jackson
Peanuts compared to the money their friends will make on the redevelopment of luxury flats on the site.
Is there a petition to make sure the Grenfell site remains as social housing?
Nathan Butler
there should be a petition to make the site a memorial to those lost in the fire and to all those who die because of greed and callousnes
I tried to get my local Labour Party to call out our current Tory MP for voting against this, but they're too craven to press her on this.
Christian Brown
So these are pics of a trepanation? What's the backwards logic or ritual/excuse for given for this? Seems the only time it's warranted is when there's swelling of the brain with an immediate risk of death, right? And even then it would be done in a medical setting of course.
Someone please explain…
Also, this is why we need gulags. The absolute ruthlessness of acquiring & holding onto wealth that's so completely unreasonable while others starve or live in misery. It's the type of wealth & luxury most people couldn't even dream up. These scumfucks always want more, too. Calling them scumfucks is too kind.
Camden Jackson
rock feilding mellen's mother is an aristocratic psychonaut who believed putting a hole in her skull would release the heartbeat in the brain. at least she tried it herself before moving onto others.
Carson Wilson
Even with those "results", it doesn't seem worth it; at all. Way too risky… I guess being so rich has a drawback of getting bore-ing sometimes.
Jace Howard
i need bad puns like i need a hole in head m8
James Torres
What about trepunning?
Owen Turner
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Cooper Ross
Fuck all of you.
Landon Miller
This. Seriously, just look at the people screaming over Corbyn suggesting to temporarily use empty properties to help the homeless. They can't even stomach that. Imagine how they'd react if someone suggested redistributing land or abolishing private land ownership. Boils my blood.
These selfish cunts are exactly the sort of people that turned to fascism and before that, formed groups like the Black Hundreds in Russia; middle class, small businessmen, landlord types who care for nothing but their property and crushing the working class. They will need to be repressed and utterly annihilated for a socialist society to thrive.
Hunter Jenkins
So this is what the people who control the world do in their private time.
Ryan Miller
And how do you propose we stop people with the same mentality from appearing? Keep the gulags going on forever?
Henry Murphy
Why not
Jace Jackson
reeducation and continued class struggle
Brandon Mitchell
after privateownership of land is abolished it will become v difficult for them to protect it
Jace Campbell
Because odds are high that we far leftists would end up in one as well, if Stalin is anything to go by. Not to mention, well, that whole humanism thing.
Now that's a humane idea, because many rightwingers are just spooked or stupid and can theoretically be saved, but… how to actually go about it?
We both know that "reform through labor" or "re-education through labor" were just a couple of these slogans Mao was so fond of. In practice, they're just plain forced labor camps, gulags minus the Siberian winter. Effectively slave labor. Including some daily sessions of proselytizing won't convince anyone to join our cause, not when we arrested him and forced him to do backbreaking work. It might work in the sense a common prison would, i.e. he'll behave after he leaves just so he won't go back to that shithole. But actual re-education, nada.
I know people will turn their noses at such a goody-two-shoes idea, but the thing is, people will listen to you more if you treat them as human beings. This technique provides much better results than abuse in interrogations, and by the same token, odds are that it would work better to despook/educate than prisons. It goes against conventional wisdom – this man is a treat to your society, so you lock him away. But this "conventional wisdom" is fucking ancient, and Porky didn't think twice about using it; we can do better. If your society is worthy protecting in the first place, it should make the effort to make him see it.
I'm recorded of an article about how Utah's porkies greatly decreased homelessness: by the "counter-intuitive" way of giving them houses.
They'll try tho, but that's a matter for a different discussion.
Benjamin Lopez
lmao
Simple: education. If more people were educated we'd not run into these problems. These elitists would be taken to task, called out & stopped before amassing that wealth again.
Josiah Bell
amassing personal wealth is not possible under socialist mode of production, obviating the need for reeducation which for the capitalist class itself is useless anyway as it will not learn the lesson of history. reeducation is suitable for capitalist roaders inside the party, they can be sent to farms. capitalists themselves will be sent to the big farm in the sky.
Xavier Thomas
True, thanks. You forget I am little babby socialist. ;^)
Carter Morris
education now avoids re-education later
Jaxson Perez
Well aside from the question of how to re-educate which I posted before, there's the issue of said roaders "coagulating" together inside the party. If the party is the only way to execise political power, it inevitably gets stuffed full of sociopaths and arrivists (I think this is something that has some "law" said about it). The USSR being the perfect example, as the roaders dismantled the system and partitioned it between themselves.
Jayden Anderson
talk to brian may hes about to launch the red terror
sorry, proles, these flats are Too Good™ for you! maybe you can find a nice little hovel or something a little more appropriate for your station, heh
Michael Mitchell
of course she reads the evening standard
Cameron Perry
how do lower real estate values "degrade" things? does the police stop coming, do the shops go away? or is it just the desire to keep the filthy poors as far away as humanly possible?
Brayden Robinson
This article is misleading. While technically they're in a "luxury block", the flats were built as social housing, they just happen to be near luxury housing complexes
