So, I'm a member of DSA but I opposed our participation in the LGBT parade this past weekend. I am located in a large city. The drama is that DSA is visibly the largest organization in the city, by like tenfold at the very least. A certain Trot organization. (I won't mention who), which has a respectable but very small presence asked to join our contingent in the march under the lefty unity umbrella. The problem is that this small Trot group is known historically for coming to DSA events with huge banners and trying to take the spotlight for themselves. They also have an active social media presence, and over and over again, we have seen how they like to overstate their presence/numbers with pictures which give a false narrative. (they seem to imply that DSA members are actually their members in the pictures)
There was a lot of debate in my chapter and the consensus was to allow them to march but without their organizations banners. They refused and now they're bad blood between both organizations.
Did my DSA chapter do the right thing? I am new to DSA and don't have much allegiance to the organization but I am obviously biased.
The overall consensus was that we are open to work the Trot group in the future, but this time it felt like they just wanted this last-minute left unity approach in order to have a good spot in the march (we organized ahead of time and marched in the front).
Whats wrong with going to pride and recruiting new members? The libertarians and republicans do it.
Jayden Bell
I personally didn't go because I don't want to march with Wells Fargo and Walmart.
Brandon Gonzalez
What so youd just surrender a march to them? Why not show up in opposition to the neoliberal groups trying to pollute it?
Jackson Peterson
Then go to protest corporations associating with pride.
Leo Rogers
They sound like attention whores. Good riddance.
Zachary Peterson
Maybe next year. I don't really care about identity politics that much. I am more active in our housing committee.
Yeah, the problem is that they are small but have a very notable national presence. I consider them comrades, and I was slightly disappointing that this had to happen.
Dominic Murphy
Progressivism was a mistake.
Brandon Collins
But don't forget why we are all communists. You can have all the presence that you want, but if you ain't helping the people, then it isn't worth a damn.
Samuel Gonzalez
As a member of said trot party, go Fuck yourself. We would never ask DSA not to bring your banners to a rally. Of you're so bad at making banners that you can't outdo us with 10x the members , don't be SAlty, do better. If the media constantly misidentified us as DSA that isn't our fault.
Jaxon Lopez
The trot group is definitely the ISO
Lucas Bailey
Adding on to this. If I'm right and it is the ISO fuck them. They do this same shit in every city for every march/protest/strike and are by far one of the least effective left wing groups out there. Your DSA chapter did the right thing.
Michael Gomez
That's exactly why you should march.
Daniel Ward
So much for the united left
Nathaniel Gutierrez
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Sebastian Carter
If the story is as OP suggests it seems kinda justified, it's impolite to try to co-opt other parties for your own
Cooper Foster
It's like going to another kid's birthday and trying to blow out his candles
Hunter Ross
The ISO, SAlt, and the PSL are super guilty of this. In my own region I've noticed that they appear in DSA events and then try to steal members and get media attention.
Jackson Russell
Does trots do this everywhere? 15+ years ago the trot organisation IS did had som "precence" by doing the same here in Norway.
Noah Bennett
Ey d00d, r u an argentine? What trotskyists?
Evan Baker
Tankies would do the same thing, but no one wants to associate themselves with them.
The difference is that Trotskyists are superficially more reasonable. However Leninists cults with a democratic-centralist structure always view themselves as the vanguard, so they justify their uncomradely actions by thinking that it's all for advancing socialism.
Trots do good things and are well educated, but Leninist cults have never been able to grow. Big umbrella Marxist organizations have the best chance. Work together, and you get to keep your own wifey. (Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, etc).
Parker Kelly
Pls stob.
Wyatt Jenkins
Pride parades are a total normie thing in most Western countries. The mainstream right-wing party in my country marches in them and most of the people there are straight. I think it would generally be pretty good outreach.
If you can't take the heat, you shouldn't involve yourself in politics. We are dominating and there's nothing you can do about it.
Noah Martinez
We could kill all trotskists.
Robert Perez
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Connor Mitchell
Out of curiosity, does Wells Fargo have its own float? What sort of automobile drives the thing? Would it, theoretically, be possible to surround it with people and physically lift it up and carry it away from the parade route?
Jeremiah Miller
So, yeah. This seems like a very American and petty issue.
Where I'm from when we have united parades we allow others to bring whatever banners they like even if we organise it.
Seems entirely a non-issue to me. Jesus.
Jace Phillips
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William Brooks
Yes.
Cooper Morales
Yeah the ISO is the most autistic organization I've ever worked with. Makes me laugh some time anyone starts shitting on the DSA to tell people to join them or SAlt.
PSL is ok but they have the worst PR minds of all time
Jackson Gutierrez
Shut up and buy my newspaper, comrade.
Owen Jenkins
Polyps sure do keep alot of gay porn on their computers.
Nathan Bell
Sounds dignified af
Dylan Williams
I don't know what kind of parades you were a part of but in my country the gay parade is people marching for an hour or two, with the local mayor (depending on the party, if he's a rightwinger he won't come of course) and nobody's sucking anybody off, people wear normal clothes and some smartass provocateurs wave communist flags.
Jordan Bell
Fuck gay people. Seriously, Stalin had the right idea.
Caleb Davis
Way to sidestep why you have that shit saved
Nicholas Ortiz
PSL does really fucking good anti-war activism, but that's the only area area I've seen them excel.
Nicholas Parker
I hope this just a reddit namefag's poor attempt at memeing.
Jason Morris
don't give it attention, idiot
John Carter
lewd
Justin Rogers
ISO are absolutely trash. They unmasked comrades recently at some other march/protest.
Fuck em, they can get fucking shot along with other tankies.
Michael James
>>>/reddit/
Christopher Carter
More details?
Zachary Hall
Literally the biggest practical use for a leftist org in the US rn is anti-imperialism. Everything else is soft SocDem stuff at best and it isn't even their fault considering the culture.
Gabriel Peterson
Yeah would like to know more too, would help when having to deal with their autism irl
Thomas Torres
Communist Education vs. Liberal Education. Your choice, comrade.
Alexander Flores
American leftists are legit cancer, I wish we had a concrete movement against the inherently rightarded ideology of the States.
Eli Walker
honestly this tbh. Foucault, and Turing were the only decent homos in history.
Joseph Cruz
Foucalt literally died for taking too many POZ LOADS from a BBC.
Nicholas Walker
Seriously what is wrong with them
Kayden Watson
that's not even the worst of her shit
Brandon Butler
raindrop drop top only one solution to a trot trot
Tyler Morris
It was SA right? If you don't like them upstaging you, why not make your own fucking banners?
Samuel Nguyen
DSA would be cooler if the local chapters invested on bigger banners.
Juan Lopez
You guys shouldn't have organised with a trot group in the first place, hopefully they'll split off before gaining the ability to cause more damage. Polite reminder to never organize with trot groups, because they are literally sects. Any other group is preferable.
Carson Taylor
I hate to say it, but if you don't like being upstaged by the trot group's banners, why don't you just make your own fucking signs instead of attacking the trot group? No one's going to mistake you for trots if you have your own signs.
Andrew Fisher
lol
Lincoln Flores
For some good Left Unity here is SAlt marching with Boston DSA at pride : )
Christian Nelson
Trots are bad, but socdems are worse, so why are you memeing?
Austin Rodriguez
Cults of personality are absolute garbage.
Jaxson Brooks
I really wish facebook shitters fucked off.
Jackson Rodriguez
Sex is just nutting on someone it's not complicated son
Jace Reed
did you forget to remove your shitpost flag?
Jaxon Anderson
You're saying that with a Hoxha flag on?
Mason Fisher
that's actually not too bad of a slogan, just still far to vague
what is that even supposed to mean?
Justin Butler
Oh yeah, that's nice coming from an ancap like yourself
Adrian Wood
I'd say you did. If your organization is clearly the one with the bigger membership. influence, visibility, etc. and they're trying to co-opt your platform to push their own theory while claiming "solidarity" then they're attention whores to need to leave and stay gone.