Wtf I hate IWW now

wtf I hate IWW now


itsgoingdown.org/raleigh-nc-report-back-united-racism-islamophobia/

tl;dr IWW working with the group Muslims for Social Justice made a bunch of noise to annoy literal fascists


Where is my class warfare, and not supporting illusory sects and idpol? Where do I find a place to fight the bourgeoisie? :.(

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kys

Anti-fascism isn't idpol.

Refusing to acknowledge the contradictions within Islam, or portraying Islam as an egalitarian ideology, is.

You wouldn't team up with orthodox Jews against anti-semitism, would you?

kys

Find it funny over here in the UK people accuse antifa of not protesting radical Islam - yet the right wing groups dedicated to this never fucking show up to radical Islam gatherings and just bus their faggoty followers in to shit up cities around the country in generic marches.

Religion is reactionary.

Fascists deserve to be annoyed.

The whole point of the march is to oppose the obvious far-right bigotry against muslims. You can critique Islam all you want but when people are being threatened by rightists i'm not going to take the side of reactionaries just because scary muslims are involved.

its called antifascism you fucking faggot whats the problem

shut the fuck up dweeb

You can fight fascists and porky.

I think it's more about supporting oppressed people than any, say, pro-sharia or anything like that. I mean objectively the majority of muslims in the US don't support shit like stoning women, yet they catch a lot of flak here.

It really is a tricky subject tho because yea, a lot of muslims do support some pretty seemingly anti leftist stuff. But perhaps it's possible a show of solidarity may help win inroads with them

No shit sherlock. It's also overwhelmingly common among workers.

It's not "workers I approve of, unite" it's "workers of the world, unite."

I think Muslims should be pressured by society until they voluntarily endorse some form of islamic reform. By shielding them from all the societal pressure and criticism we are slowing down the process of islamic reform and are effectively hurting leftism and muslims

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It's not idpol, but it is liberalism. Antifascism is a defense of bourgeois democracy and no communist should engage in it.

what did he mean by this

Why do I feel like most of these rallies are a front for black nationalist groups? Not that I blame them but I swear these whites are gonna be in a bumpy ride. It's just more proof that sucdems are cancer are easily susceptible to idpol but then again it is normalfag friendly so that's a plus

Unfortunately fascists are even less tolerant towards communism than liberals.

The probles now is that no matter how much it is misrepresented, there will always be a sunni muslim who wants to really dig deep into all the religious scriptures and be as pious and pure and possible and then he will stumble upon the hadith that justify terrorism and command the killing of apostates and the cycle repeats.

*problem

Judaism is reactionary, Islam is revolutionary.

Explain

How is Islam rebolutionary and which sect/strain of Islam are we talking about here

Yeah, cause the best way to convince marginalized people to give up their reactionary spooks is liberal finger wagging, not the solidarity of the union.

I am not talking about finger wagging but systematic criticism of the sources of reactionary spooks, this imho seems like a better idea than ignoring the problems alltogether

*altogether

Looks like OP is a fag yet again

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_09_21.htm

au contraire mon ami

Aaaaaand that's when I decided to stop reading the article, and toss it in the idpol trash can.

there's a difference between "societal pressure and criticism" and "go back to iran raghead" and screeching "stop female genital mutilation" to people who find it as abhorrent as these morons do

they don't give a flying fuck about women's position in islam, they don't give a fuck about gays, about anything, they've learned to cloak their racism and bigotry in a "liberal" guise

the fact that you don't want to see mosques firebombed doesn't mean you will support those same muslims if/when they actually do something that doesn't jive with your own beliefs, all it means is that you support not persecuting people for their religion

Religion has got to go kiddo…

This. I actually went to a May Day rally in Detroit only to find that the whole thing was dedicated to BLM. Also got shat on for my Betsy Ross flag. It was from that day that I officially hate niggers.

KEEP THE NIGGERS OFF MAY DAY

that chair sure is comfy, ain't it

you guys know that not all muslims are reactionary extremists right? I have a couple of muslim buddies and the most religious act they carry out is not eating pork.

lol I hope someone kicked the shit out of you tbh

"Systematic criticism" doesn't change people's minds about religious bullshit. Material conditions do.

Somehow in your story about a fucking may day rally devoted to BLM (seriously any other rally I'll just roll my eyes, but may day belongs to everyone) you still managed to end up looking like the biggest asshole

kek

I used to work with a Muslim guy who brewed his own liquor and ate pork sausages and pepperoni because they "don't count". He only became suddenly very devout when his pious as fuck uncle flew in from the UAE for Ramadan lol

This is true. I've seen anti-fascists literally fighting with people engaging in anti-war protests because they happen to be white nationalists. They're doing the work of the bourgeois.
Antifa and their ilk only know how to go for the low hanging fruit. They aren't effective, and they're usually just cringy progressive liberal faggots.

If you had any idea of radical union organizing you'd know the tradition of solidarity work with fash targeted communities.
Google Cable Street

Islam is slave society dressed up as a religion.

Religion is bad but that does not mean leftists should not work with religious organizations to battle bigotry and ignorance, my dudeo.

fuck off lad. Was Lenin idpol when he campaigned for ending the war in 1917, his main slogan being not "down with the bourgeoisie" but "bread and peace"? Seriously, if you read Marx (or other Marxists) you'd know that the social, political and economic sphere are interconnected. But hey, let's shit up Holla Forums with retarded threads instead!

why would I oppose fascism so that capitalism with a human face can be safe and continue to hide all serious exploitation in the third world, while it is gentle and intersectional in the west?

Is this really what you're asking?

And this isn't even relevant since IWW doesn't want capitalism with a human face, it's a revolutionary labor union that wants to replace capitalism with workers ownership over the means of production…

I don't spend my time trying to make capitalism better, I'm not a social democrat I'm a marxist.

Judaism and Christianity mandate priests, Islam doesn't.

Islam says no compulsion in religion. Judaism prescribes death for those who don't follow the law.

all religions are ideology (aka false consciousness). They generally don't really reproduce capitalism in the west anymore (as they have lost almost all their power, so there is little reason to either oppose or support them) Mostly they just fuck up the lives of women who adhere to their trash.

-German Communist Party slogan during 1933 elections

Wahhabism does prescribe death for apostasy and it is the most "pure" sunni strain of islam. the closest things there are to a non reactionary islam are Quranism, Sufism, Mutazilism and Ahmadiyya

Of course they won't suddenly turn atheist but they will have to find a way to reconcile Islamic teachings with basic societal norms via reform

People already do that, Islam is an incredibly decentralized religion though so it doesn't really affect the people who DON'T do that

what is Islam's method to bring about communism and equality?

it has none apart from the charity tax, i just happen to be a person that wants to reconcile my political beliefs with my religious beliefs.

whoops, wrong flag :^)

will islam die out under communism? as marx suggested there will no longer be a need for religion (it exists as a 'heart of a heartless world') when we have communism?

what does it mean that religion is reactionary?

thats what the marxists believe, as a muslim, i think that the need for spiritualism of some sort will always exist in the hearts of the people to breath "life" into a lifeless materialistic world. communism alone only fulfills your material needs

that's very humanist, that the human has a need for spiritualism no matter what. I think that need, and aspect of human nature, only arises out of material conditions, and not idealism.

you're not a marxian socialist i guess?

let's say i do not agree on everything with marx

What the fuck are you talking about?

Wahhabism was never accepted by ANY mainstream Islamic leaders or figures until the Saudis got their hands on it and started exporting it forcibly.

islam with a human face then i suppose ; )

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well i wouldn't want to give up something like eating chocolate even under communism, so i can understand why people want their islam

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Mutazilites were in fact Quranists
Modern day Quranists are the new Mutazilites, just under a new name

Thats actually true, do we have another quranist user here? :)

Mu'tazilites are best known for their denying the status of the Qur'an as uncreated and co-eternal with God.

THIS JESUS THIS

not that I don't want to literally kill nazis, but you see, there are many more people opposed to fascism than there are not

and it's just so obvious to so many that fascism is something "bad", we knew that for decades, it's absolutely mainstream

as much as I support fighting that shit in any way I think the main problem with antifa is that they do this instead on focusing on less obvious and less ulitmately fringe evil that permates our societies and has actual power

and I'm not even talking about the exploitation of the working class here although that's certainly the part of it, that's also obvious to many and certainly to anyone opposed to capitalism

what I'm talking about here is all the forms of discrimination that go unnoticed even by liberals who made problems like racism, sexism etc. mainstream

what we need now is not the same shit all over again - we all know racism, sexism, fascism should be opposed shut up

we need to go further and pick out the examples where it's the man being harassed by a woman, where it's a white suffering because of a black - not to prove that "those things also happen" but because cancer that is idpol actually causes most of those cases - cases of real oppression to go unnoticed

if you're not a liberal and are in antifa shame on you, deal justice to the people who caused them to become fascists in the first place whether it is brutal school bullies, their abusive parents or whatever, notice that the problem that people become fascists in the first place lies somewhere else usually, that all that deserve to die are only the truly evil ones

and last but not least if you believe you are a good person focus on bad people in general, no matter if they're in your closest social circle or whatever - they're everywhere and evil has no political barriers

here's the deal - there's a really high chance hitler actually believed that was he was doing was good for mankind, because that's exactly what a psychopath insensitive to suffering of others would believe, that he wasn't really evil, because he literally didn't see how his actions were any evil, that maybe he believed jews need to be ridden off this world for the good of mankind

it's another story that most of his followers are actually evil but you get the gist

sage myself because I'm aware this is just uneducated rambling I need to read more

and I still don't really know what virtue signalling is because I don't really follow all these dank internet memes, I'm only here and I only aspire to be a communist because I genuinely believe choosing this ideology somehow makes me a better person

sage

yes thats what they are known for but they also rejected the hadith

yes but they do much more than that by use of reasoning and logic Greek Philosophers sytle, also they will rebel agaisnt a Authority
If it is unfair