I have come to the realization in my many years of life (I'm older than most of you) that no one gives a fuck about us, only what we can do for them. You can not rely on other people to help you, you have to help yourself. You can't rely on worker solidarity. Because the workers are too docile to rebel against the system. You say agitate, educate and organize. How much progress are you making on that front? You're still in wage cuck jobs having your surplus labour value extracted by the bourgeoisie. You don't have the balls to quit your job and put your bodies upon all the gears, levers and all the apparatus until you make the system stop functioning. Because you need to sell your labour to survive. You are all slaves to the system. You're just more "woke" than the sheeple masses.
This does not mean I am now a libertarian. I do not believe in the NAP. Libertarians are cucks who are slaves to the corporate elite. If you need to steal credit card data, sell drugs, engage in petty theft, install ransomware and run scams, etc. in order to survive, so be it. You don't owe the system jack shit. Do what you gotta do. Work your hustle. It's easy to have moral flexibility when you realize that the system has lied to you and enslaved you all this time. And that the people who supposedly love you want you to remain a slave to the system because misery loves company.
You don't want to face the truth that your efforts to seize the means of production from the bourgeoisie are futile. Workers are sac-less and gutless to do anything about capitalism.
Owen Morgan
sorry, I'm already blackpilled
Nathan Davis
Why not become a Maoist-Third Worldist? You get real revolutions to fight for.
If Maoists in the third world are at least willing to fight and die for what they believe in, that's something I'm willing to respect.
Parker Sanders
(You)
Mason Garcia
Sounds like you've become a lowkey illegalist. You should read Stirner, and I don't mean that as a meme - he sounds right up your alley. Are there any writers who contemplate crypto-anarchism, online piracy, free software, and expansions of this in the context of Stirner and Novatore?
Isaiah Long
They do
That's not what I said but ok
Sebastian Lewis
if you take out elon musk you can save us from being slaves on mars
Ryan King
it starts with an A lol
Noah Lopez
You're such nerds you can't even be a gangster without needing a book as a crutch.
Carson Miller
Welcome to the party.
Ryan Nelson
I've heard of Stirner. Obviously since I lurk here. Just haven't read his material. I'm not a fan of reading old texts that are hard to read. I just know that Max Stirner did speak in defense of criminals. Something along the lines of the hypocrisy in the belief that
violence imposed by the state = OK violence imposed by lumpens = criminals
I don't engage in anything morally repulsive. But I am doing illegal things in order to make a living. I don't know if it's a smart idea for me to admit what these things are. Even behind a VPN or TOR. Because the government could try to make an example out of me (that could just be my paranoia). I don't think I'm doing anything all that bad. But I can go to jail for what I'm doing. They probably would give me a plea bargain and let me off on probation and a fine or something. Who knows.
Nathan Edwards
I'm not sure if you're American or not, but if you are then you should really look outside of it because if you do look then you'll see that not every not human being in the world is a house nigger.
Camden Green
Why is slavery the prime conception of politically illiterate extremists?
Brody Evans
Forget black pills, let me tell you about the brown pill!
Carson Hughes
That isn't what I said. I operate outside of the formal economy. I'm "self-employed" so to speak.
I would like to see more people disrupt the system and cause havoc.
I don't think I could ever go back to being a 9-5 wage cuck again. I would probably shoot myself. Wage cuckoldry is slavery.
There are times where my ugh occupation causes me stress. But it's not like the stress that I experienced working a 9-5 (which didn't end at 5. lol).
I'm afraid that the government is going to arrest me and do civil forfeiture on me. Rape me up the ass financially for life. But it's not like I was happy with my life playing by the rules anyway. What do I have to lose?
Elijah Hill
How's this anchored and the one about dreadlock pussy hair isn't? lmfao mods = fags
Gavin Miller
I consider wage cuckoldry to be slavery though. It's a very depressing way to live. I don't know how people enjoy it. Sometimes when I express stress while self-employed, people just tell me "why don't you just get a real stable job then?" But I just enjoy being my own boss more (though I do have to give a cut to rentiers). And I am making more money than I would make in the formal economy I'm sure.
Ayden Bennett
It's already anchored. The mods can't handle reality I guess. Truth isn't for everyone.
Jose Perry
Novatore was a classy-as-fuck gangster. Illiterate punks have nothing on him.
He doesn't make any moral judgements of criminals - he isn't even anti-moral in a sense of being the opposite of contemporary moral values, he's just amoral to a logical end. He argues that the individual's ego and what pleases it, gives it a sense of purpose, is what is supreme and that all the "grand purposes" of life are nothing more than spooks of the mind. He didn't defend criminals there so much as he made a standing-alone observation. Go read "The Ego And Its Own" - it might help you reorient and get a self-determined purpose of life. I have my major criticisms of it, but Stirner would scoff anyways.
Nolan Carter
And you're a nerd who played GTA too much.
Julian Hill
Cool, I figured out egoism in middle school Almost as if people only start giving a shit once the situation gets worse and they get affected materially. Not really. This is a witten brain fart, not an actual plan to abolish wage labour I though everybody on Holla Forums knows that, but if that's supposed a shocking revelation then I must be really smart for figuring it out ages ago.
Your thread is just really fucking terrible and I really hope you're a teenager because if you think any of that drivel is enlightening and you are not a high schooler, then you might be mentally impaired.
Angel Cooper
I'm not even an illegalist (it's lifestylist - if you're at that point, you have to start asking yourself "where did I go wrong?"), but not reading something because you associate an image with it is dumb.
Carter Mitchell
My point is that you can't even be a gangster without enframing it in marxism. Spooked through and through.
Jaxon Campbell
I think calling Novatore a gangster would be going too far - he wasn't in a gang, he was a fugitive who dodged the draft under Mussolini's fascism.
dumping books for OP, hope you become a fellow illegalist, friend
Adrian Cox
A) I'm not a Marxist or an illegalist or an egoist, although I've read stuff from all 3. B) pick one: You don't seem sincere at all in your arguments. Looks like the mods were right to anchor this thread. So much for giving the benefit of the doubt that you weren't "le ebin pede troll triggering those liberal SJW commies".
Leo Bennett
Whoever you were replying to (the guy who was antagonizing you) wasn't me. I'm OP. I've lurked here enough to know that Holla Forums isn't "liberal SJW commies." However this community has been infiltrated by reddit (ie. r/socialism refugees) after the whole catgirl thing. And I see socialism as really just a pipe dream. These first world socialists talk a big game. But none of them are actually doing anything to seize the means of production. Or at least improve conditions for workers.
Aiden Robinson
Save the snarky comments for reddit, which is probably where you came from after the catgirl thing.
What the fuck are you talking about? People are living paycheque to paycheque and failing ot make ends meet already. And still, they're not doing jack shit to rebel against their bourgeois masters. They are docile. They are afraid of losing their job. Hell do you even see homeless people in the west doing revolution? No. They barely have anything left and still yet won't dare to go against the system. There were workers in Cuba who were willing to fucking die for what they believed in for Christ sake.
Jackson Hall
Unfortunately it's hard for me to find like-minded believe who also believe that socialism is impractical that I can discuss this issue with. Because almost every fucking retard on the internet thinks that social democracy is socialism. lol. I figured that having a conversation with people who actually understand what socialism is would be most productive. But God forbid you burst the bubble of First Worldist Socialists.
Maybe I should try to seek out Maoist Third Worldists. There is a lot that I don't agree with with that camp though of course otherwise I'd just be a Maoist Third Worldist. I will say that I respect Maoist Third Worldists who take the cause seriously. Jason Unruhe is just some Canadian kid who makes YouTube videos however. He's not actually fighting for the cause. He's a good observationalist. Just not a good Marxist. Just like Noam Chomsky. His analysis is A1. But he doesn't offer any fucking solutions.
Kayden Ross
We're going somewhere in the 1st world with cybernetic planning. Most of the people working on it unfortunately situate it as just another tool in the arsenal of traditional revolutionary-socialist politics (although there is something to be said for the idea of turn-key planning in tandem with communization being far more feasible than ridiculous utopian projects like MLism). While intended to be usable as such from the start when I started the SovCyb thread, I've personally always wanted to make the most use of it in a plurality of strategies, the favored one of mine at this point being an accelerationist one to advance it as a way to make FLOSS, mass organization as a way to make use of economies of scale, the gig economy, and 3D printing all converge to outcompete multinational corporations by doing their jobs while running on a shoestring, as this loose networked association would be without an army of managers and shareholders and bureaucrats who all need to be paid. Integrate this with revitalized revolutionary unions which invest money and, rather than get raw money returns, get to have a certain amount of the association's workers unionized as dues-paying members, and you have laid the groundwork for the rebirth of the First International in a communist revision of its mutualist spirit. When the planning application is complete, the seed of communism within capitalism will grow as much as capitalism itself does and overtake it.
