Why is this such an extremely heated topic amongst left-leaning liberals and even a lot of leftists...

Why is this such an extremely heated topic amongst left-leaning liberals and even a lot of leftists? Most of the time the nod and agree when you point out the atrocities of Saudi-Arabia, but when you critisize Israel in a side note, they immediately sperg out about antisemitism. I've noticed that almost every leftist tendency sees your view on this conflict as some sort of litmus test wether you are an antisemite/imperialist respective to whatever faction they belong to.

Is antisemtism even real? What's the difference between being racist against Jews and being racist against any other race? Especially since Jews are one of the most muh privileged people in the world right now.

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If you have been on Holla Forums long enought you will know people here is anti zionist

hasta la vista zionista

Leftists hate Israel enough we're apparently anti-semites or self-hating jews. The right are the fags who end up supporting Israel, a hive of larping nazis ended up backing and defending a zionist after all.

Zionism and Antisemitism often have uneasy alliances. Žižek talks about this a lot.

I can't say I've ever even met a pro-Israel leftist

I'm German, leftists are a little different about that here.

While there's obviously a lot of legitimate complaints about the Israeli, let's be honest here. Antizionism is, more often than not, a codeword for antisemitism.

No one would give a fuck about the plight of the Palestianians if they were oppressed by some other ethnic group. When was the last time you heard someone bitch about evil Chinese bullying poor Tibetans? Not even the Hollywood does that since they need to sell their products to the Chinese markets.

Oh, well, that explains it yeah

All the fucking time? Free Tibet is babby's first virtue signal.

this user has been watching too much MemriTV. There are many legit "complaints" about Israel, and making those complaints are not, in any way, anit-semitic.

*memeriTV

it probably makes a difference that most of us live in countries that throw money at Israel every year (Britain, US, Australia, probably others I'm unaware of).

1. Historical anti-semitism means Liberal types are more likely to take Israel's side.

2. Liberal's secretly love the idea of civilizing missions. They see Palestinians as backward because they don't support gay marriage or stuff like that, so they align with Israel.

3. Brainwashing from birth.

Europe is more skeptical about Israel than Anglos in general but Israel is literally in the Eurovision song contest which makes me laugh, they've so completely alienated the entire region they live in that they just pretend they never left Europe

Australia is in the Eurovision Song Contest too.

Well ya know… they have similar problems with the local ethnic groups but at least they haven't annexed Indonesia et al

there is no difference. zionists believe that they are special snowflakes among men though.

Israel supports gaymarriage? Does the jew bible not hate gays like the american bible?

Most Jews don't take the Bible literally.

Most Israelis ignore all of the Torah except the bits that grant them manifest destiny against the 'drugged roaches'

Holla Forums told me jews were super conservative when it came to their own tho

Literally no one among my libfag and self proclaimed commie friends are able to distinguish Israel and Jews in general. Antisemitism is (still) going strong among lefties. And I'm not talking antisemitism as used by Israeli apologists, I'm talking "Jews are the cause of all problems" kind of antisemitism.

They hate Muslims and non white immigrants and have a fascist foreign policy, other than that they're pretty liberal

Sounds like you hang out with morons.

Yes, my politically interested friends are morons, sadly. But they are the only ones I get to discuss politics with who aren't raging conservatives.

Sounds pretty cool.

neoliberalism>brown barbarians

Jews are brown barbarians too you spooked little cuck.

But they're slightly less spooked than those other brown barbarians

thus neoliberal jewish ethnostate>brown babarians

If you support Israel you're not a leftist IMO

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Slightly less spooked. This isn't black/white. It's hierarchical.

Jews=90% spooks
Brown Barbarians=99% spooks
Tankies=89% spooks

this is not how it works fam. You're not getting a communist utopia overnight, so you should probably side with either nobody, or side with the state that allows us to form unions and has some protections for women and gays or whatever until the culture catches up. The whole "we must support whoever hates THE WEST just because" hasn't been a meme since the Soviets fell over.

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Lol what?
Being against israel gets you "Yeah fuck that fascist apartheid dictatorship" and being against saudi gets you "ISLAMOPHOBIA RACISM"

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If you support imperialism you're not a leftist it couldn't be simpler as imperialism is the most developed stage of capitalism

Wtf I love colonialism now

Why is anti-imperialism or anti-colonialism more important for leftists to support than militant defense of the Enlightenment? Anti-imps are reactionary, and quick to support even far-right ideologies close to fascism as long as its against the US or Israel.

The hatred for Zionism has manifold reasons—that is, excuses. It might be interesting to list them, but it is not salient here. This is not about what cruelties and terror happen when the Israeli army penetrates the territories of the Palestinian National Authority, however depressing those cruelties may be. Such are the facts of war, which nobody ever claimed would be an Amnesty International campaign. What is at stake here is the relationship of the facts of the tears, blood, and death, to their interpretation. No reasonable human being, upon seeing the indubitable suffering of the population of Dresden in the wake the bombings at the hands of the Royal Airforce, would conclude that Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Harris's practical anti-fascism constituted a historical injustice. Similarly, it is not simply a question of what cruelties Syrian, Iraqi, or Iranian dictatorships commit against their own populations, or what these might mean as regards their military strategies towards Israel. Nor is this about the “fanatical” settlers. Rather, it is a question of the historical legitimacy and philosophical dignity of Zionism as the Israeli national ideology, which motivates the statehood of the bourgeois society of the Jews after Auschwitz. In this respect Ariel Sharon understood more of the Enlightenment and the ramifications of post-1933 negative dialectics than do the querulous advocates of the human rights of the “Palestinian people,” a phrase which comes to mean whatever it must in order to satisfy the commands of their very own projections. Jewish nationalism is the egotism of a people that can no longer trust in the invisible hand to translate egotism into common good. That the militant Enlightenment today takes the form of Ariel Sharon and the tanks of the Israeli Army, that this is now its only historically possible form, baffles and angers those who only retain what Bloch, with reference to Lessing, called “the shams of Enlightenment” (Aufkläricht). It is sufficient for them to struggle for a disastrous “right to self-determination of the peoples,” whether proletarian-socialist à la Lenin, bourgeois-democratic à la Wilson, or völkisch-Nazi-fascist à la Hitler. While the Jews might very well be a “Volk,” Israel is at least a society. - platypus1917.org/2010/10/08/communism-and-israel/

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Where the fuck do you live fam, because not in the same universe I do.

These are two religious fundementalist countries and i dont mind if they are turned into glass by atomic warfare

Explains why they're so popular

This is how you know you're living in a hyperbolic circle jerk of people who agree with you

Yeah, no. Here is your (you) though.

Every time

I've never met an anti imperialist who liked the KSA, ever.

Because they're backed by AmeriKKKa.