What's wrong with social conservationism?

What's wrong with social conservationism?

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It has no basis in either historical materialism or classical liberalism and therefore leftists of any stripe find it silly at its best and abhorrent at its worst.

being conservative nowadays means preserving degenerated capitalist culture
genuine culture will flourish under socialism

Nothing, but the same could be said about social liberalism.

Well it depends. Are you talking about paleoconservitives or libertarian “conservatives.”

Centrism from apathy is the only apropriate social pposition.
social bullshit is a distraction from the real problems.

It's no fun, it's bad for mental health, it hurts sexual and ethnic minorities and it stops progress. There's nothing good about it but keeping those in power in power.

True, true. Most social polices should be implemented based on the circumstances that said society is in. If there’s a problem with the population being to low, implement social conservatism. If it’s to high implement social liberalism.

Define progress. Social progress is bullshit and doesn’t matter. Technological and economic progress is what’s important.

I agree with you capitalism destroys culture but under genuine worker controlled society, conservatism will be strong. Feminism, LGBT, secularism, diversity, drugs, animal rights, etc have always been middle class boujie issues that just alienate the working class.

how is destroying long lasting and stable social to pander for a few special snow flakes norms bad for mental health?

it does matter. People being happy and not being afraid of being shunned for who they are is good.

Engels wrote a blistering critique of the nuclear family/housewives and Leninist Russia was a strong proponent of anti-racism and women's liberation.

Read a fucking book for once in your lives, Jesus Christ.

idpol lifestylists are a very vocal minority, most gays/trans aren't that bad and can be reasoned with. It's not healthy to think of people as representatives of some evil threat that's out to get you and destroy society rather than as individuals.

Maybe its not. If they have desires that are harmful to themselves and society maybe we should not oblige them?

The soviet union quickly removed those policies because it left it unable to recover from the civil war.

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Yet again more evidence that you've literally never read a book.

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those two pictures are virtually the same exact thing, with more modern issues such as queer liberation and pro-choice

Calling yourself a Marxist-Leninist is silly if you don't believe in what Marx or Lenin wrote about.

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Liberty? Don't you want rigid social hegemony? What?

liberty is overrated.

Well define "social conservatism".

That's an extremely vague idea that varies wildly from place and time.

gays/trans are more promiscuous,far more like to catch AIDS and other diseases, be worse parents,be pedophiles, and have mental health issues.

They had solid economic, political and revolutionary insights but not everything they say is perfect. Why do you have not confidence in the MLs who followed Lenin?

Tankies are silly.

Well that's their problem isn't it?
Good job they can't have kids then.
Then send the pedo ones to jail with the other pedos.

Where is the problem?

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not my comrade

Stop clinging to Roman social mores. They were a bunch of imperialist slavers.

It's incompatible with universal human emancipation.

Lenin was a conservative privately but Trotsky et al overruled him.

nothing against blacks or other racial/ethnic group. Just don't like the patronizing liberal glorification of anyone non European and diversity for diversity's sake. This mindset has leaked from liberals to most leftist off all stripes in the west.

Nothing against women either, I just think pressuring them do to work is not in their interests. This is another bourgeois liberal issue that leaked into the left. Most working class people prefer traditional families.

Last homosexuality is bourgeoisie decadence that the workers and peasants always hated.

So if the workers decide they hate, I dunno, green ties for instance should we ban that too?

And at this point in time I'm pretty sure the working class of most countries west of Poland don't mind gay people at all.

A few things here:

1.) Regarding pedophilia, read this:

psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

2.) Where did you get the parenting claim? Did you visit the family research council website (a christian organisation) once, took their conclusions and after that never looked at other research?

3.) Let's just assume that for a second that your claims are right. You make no effort whatsoever to analyze the causes for the problems you find. Maybe the mental health issues have to do with the fact that trans people face discrimination and are in fact not a result of them being transsexual?

4.) Even if we assume that the problems you mentioned are a result of them being transsexual/gay. How do you think social conservatism will solve this problem? Assuming you simply deny the right to transition maybe mental health conditions will worsen as a direct result of it. A similar effect could take place when you stigmatize their identity/sexuality as "bourgeoisie decadence" (>>1741125)

nice fucking try Holla Forums
some of those things you mentioned are legit debatable, but a tankie is supposed to advocate for state atheism and liberation of female workers

if you wanna falseflag, use the an-nil flag, only faggots use it

I thought it was obvious from the start that this was a Holla Forums thread

Why can't you go bully the actual shitosters like blackflags and pirateposters? We didn't do anything.

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MUH MORAL CODE THAT TRANSFERS CLASS POWER AND MAINTAINS THE DOMINANCE OF CAPITAL

Are there any historical examples of societies that became degenewate and then went back to those values they abandoned?

It enables those in power to easily silence or punish critics by claiming that anything critical of them is hate speech/degenerate/counterrevolutionary/triggering/blasphemous/homosexual propaganda/communist/makes teenagers commit suicide. Even if you don't give a rat's ass about muh human rights, a lack of means of criticism will allow cracks to form and the system to fall apart.

"homosexuality is bourgeoisie decadence that the workers and peasants always hated"

As a gay man and a worker I'd kindly like to tell you that you're just fucking wrong.

most of them are cool tho, it's just that one guy fresh off the boat from reddit who gets turbotriggered by the existence of chinese little girl cartoons and cute talking horses

Is that where you protect endangered people or something? Like Spiderman?

Social conservatism:
Sacrificing a few percent of the population because you think it's good enough that 95% of people aren't suicidally depressed and you're afraid of experimenting to try and increase that figure.
It's literally the social version of, "fuck you, I've got mine".

Lmao. The last poster on the right is actually a Nazi poster for house servants, says "Come and work in Germany".

ie. Being reasonably reluctant when it comes to introducing foreign objects in one's ass

Do you have any idea how retarded you sound right now?

if you've never experienced prostate stimulation you seriously are missing out on a whole world of pleasure, my dude

it's a slippery slope

social conservatism is alright as a personal choice but in the end it depends on what the individual wants

This is a common pattern, so I understand.

you have some discoveries ahead


that too

oops, meant for

I didn't even mean "experimentation" in that sense in my original post (>>1741349). I meant experimentation with the rules and culture of society in an attempt to achieve greater happiness for everyone.