All Worked Up and Nowhere to Go

Give it a shot, comrade. It's a good article.

Mark Fisher seems to be more alive than ever nowadays, I'm seeing him getting mentioned frequently here nowadays. Shall we make place for him in the Holla Forums pantheon?

And Amber is /ourgal/

There is no god but Fisher, and Frost His prophet

Björkanian

Fisher is definitely important and increasingly relevant. He should have persisted longer and not given in. His insights would have been useful in the rapidly accelerating landscape.

I hope

She always has been user.

Damn, this article is Leftcom as fuck.

She is a feminist, though, doesn't that mean she's just COINTELPRO false-flagging again?

she's a demsoc

no

"Capitalism Realism" is one of the of the books that better define our zeitgeist.

For anyone who hasn't gotten their hands on it yet.

This thread might be as good as any to ask this. I recently came about a Marxist theorist who claimed capitalism had already won: it is perfectly able to absorb any radicalism into itself. I don't entirely agree with it but I want to know the name of the guy so I can read some of his work.

tldr: want to know of the name of a Marxist who abandoned Marxism because he thought capitalism had won.

No, she's an ultra who likes Lenin.

I'm not sure about that. She seems to be much more radical and theoried up than anyone else on Chapo. She might just organize with DSA for practicality's sake.

eskimoo

Some demsuccs like Lenin too.

You might have to go into more detail. Is he contemporary? What nationality? What are some other arguments they make? Are they an academic?

fml

I thought she was a professor? I'd hope she's more well read than anyone on Chapo.

Land?

No they don't.

Yeah she's said on Whale Vomit that she's not really committed to democracy and that the Soviet system was better. I think her involvement in DSA is mostly because she believes in it as a big tent.

Everyone on Chapo is so smart, it makes me feel dumb sometimes.
Matt is literally the Karl Marx of the 21st century, he even looks like a young Karl Marx. Felix is usually just comic relief but on the occasion he does get serious and goes into his opinion he's super intelligent. Will is over rated, he's alright but he only gets so much credit because he founded and organizes the cast.
I think Amber does a good job at keeping them in check and it's good to have a women's perspective on the show.

Yes they do, you contrarian cunt.

She's apart of the Left Caucus, they're a faction in the DSA that's trying to push things further to the Left and push a more revolutionary line. Also, what ep did she say that in, I don't remember anything like that.

Prove it faggot. :^)

damn, /ourgal/ for sure

You should post in the Chapo general thread user!

She's a dirtbag-left unitarian, all of Chapo is. They rooted for Sanders but they know it's just a means to an end. Sort of the opposite of accelerationists.

What about Matt? Matt is pretty much going to write the next great development of Marxism at this point.

Episode 7, the most recent one

She teaches writing at NYU I believe.

Honestly, when MLs and Trots refuse to support Sanders or the DSA, or anything that could move the overtone window or make Socialism a little more popular in the US and build a mass movement they're being 100 times more Utopian and Ultraleft then any Leftcom or Ancom. Apologies for being sectarian.

Thanks! They update so irregularly I never know when a new episode's up.

I keep saying this. MLs and leftcoms need to get their heads out of their asses.

Are you really surprised that red-painted neolibs won't actually support any actual change?

We should meme this.

twitter.com/prehellenistic/status/872149996480614400

Not sure who this fucker is, but his little corner of Twitter seems to hate the fuck out her

Reminds me of this.

Look, I like Amber, I think she usually has the right ideas, and her criticism in this article are on point, but can we be honest about her proposal towards the end?

"Revive and radicalize the unions" is one of the most common battle cries of the Left, but whenever people talk about it, what do they usually point to as models? Either historical radical unions from the days of people dying at 32 in the coal mines, or recent examples of small, isolated efforts here and there, usually by a dying profession. Basically, radical unions are a thing when people are desperate, and most people are not. No one who is even slightly comfortable in his daily life will lift a finger to embrace a risky left-wing enterprise, and we need to accept this.

I generally agree unions are a mostly outdated means of class struggle. I don't think there is a way to organize unions on a scale comparable to the early to mid 20th century. That doesn't mean we can't fight back using some of their same tactics. Sabotage, port shut downs, and other forms of economic warfare can be carried out by even relatively small groups albeit with more individual risk involved.

What's the union equivalent for unemployed people? Could be worth a look with automation looming.

Litterally who

It seems this person hates Amber and Chapo for completely petty and personal reasons, they don't even try to say why they disagree with the article or what they see wrong with Amber's arguments, just that she's an idiot for writing an article critiquing the Left at all. Also, they call Fisher reactionary, so fuck this guy.

Socialists who simply tweet, "The Vampire Castle essay… uggh" are my absolute favorite socialists.

She's a writer that does Chapo and a few other podcasts.

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Yea there's a lot of left twitter that is disdainful of Chapo and the DSA crowd because they see themselves as more tankie/anarcho/leftcom/anti-imperalist/otherwise authentically leftist. Most of them are just bitter LARPers with a poor sense of humor

Look, I get that you're frustrated but you're not gonna get anywhere by expecting change to just happen.
Just drop your silly revolutionary ideas and help us make capital more multicultural.
Be realistic.
Etc etc

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Lel

Why does the guy from Dead Pundits hate Amber so much?

Why do the r/socialism mods hate Holla Forums so much?

he seems to think she's a brocialist or something lol??

All these air quotes are justified:

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I'm sorry, but I don't understand how you can be defending SAlt for anything. Sure they supported Sanders on some level, but they certainly do not support DSA. At best they are grudgingly aligned with them because they don't want to become even more irrelevant in light of DSA's recent growth.

Bourgeoisie democracy, perhaps, but proletarian democracy is better than both. Unless, of course, she is referring to the soviet's before they were brought under central control.

I'm in SAlt.

The word from the NC is to support DSA

I would say yeah except for this
A leftcom wouldn't gaf about the consciousness raising model. IDK I helped organize that strike in New Orleans this year. It was the first time I visited the city and I put it together in a matter of 4 days. But yeah, the article is right, and it's something I learned doing an 'activism tour'. Generally people think that 'going out into the streets' and 'registering your dissatisfaction' amounts to more than fuckall. The levers of power don't budge to vocal opposition, I'm starting to feel that class consciousness is retarded, and that's a tough mental hurdle. No amount of consciousness raised is going to change material conditions. The masses, as masses, are just really dumb, and oldpeople newspaper parties don't make an impact either.

The Airports protests however, did have an impact of at least delaying the travel ban & made a big impact, but it wasn't because people were shaking hooves with the pigs and yelling on megaphones. It's because essential industry was disrupted, like the article points out.

t. snek

I experienced this particular phenomena in my years being homeless (still am, now voluntary). People will never understand the fact that there is no safety net in the country to prevent the carpet being pulled out from under them, until the day comes when it directly affects them, and there is a physical guarantee that the carpet is not returning. I turned to drugs for a long time to try to ignore it, and I thought 'working' would get me out of the situation. No, once you're out, you're a man apart, and you're forced to face the horrible situation that workers and the unemployed have to deal with with all of its gravity. It's a crazy situation we find ourselves in, but I do think that restructured unions are (an) answer, leading towards FALC of course, and I'm just going to work on doing that in the attempt to save innocent people from falling through the cracks like I did.

More like infiltrate and subvert.

We're not supposed to do that. Specifically. We're supposed to be open about who we are and work together with DSA.

Well that settles it. :^)

arent leftcoms the ones supposed to be reading books or smth

Read that article earlier its pretty excellent. I also think it can be chocked up as another example of the left's intellectual vanguard turning against idpol.

Its also interesting because it sort of reflects the hypothesis of the user who made the legendary post on here about how the Sanders campain and Rojava were turning the left against idpol.

Read the article dipshit. She is anti-idpol. People here aren't against the principle of feminism, just the toxic liberal monstrosity that is mainstream feminism.

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Because we view class struggle as being more important then trying to reform our society to make it more inclusive. /r/Soc is filled with ultra-pc radical liberals.

At this point I just read "real socialist" whenever is see the word "brocialist".

your (possessive) gay

not sure if this one uploaded
libcom.org/files/Monsieur Dupont - Nihilist Communism - A Critique of Optimism in the Far Left.pdf

post nudes pls. or at least feet

conciousness levels are a material condition

Everythings a material condition, but not everything is a revolutionary material condition leading towards the abolition of capital my nigga.

They're not an agent or catalyst for revolution. Rallies and the modern 'demonstrations' are fucked and achieve nothing. If they were part of the revolution, they would offer food, shelter, and clothing to people, and not engage in capitalism in order to subsist & regenerate their ideology like a shitty cult.

Thanks, man.

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Everything is not a material condition you mongs. Ideology is superstructure, to say its material is a near indefensible position.

The entire point is that rallies and demonstrations do not have material effects, they are purely performative. To offer food, shelter, clothing and a strain of dual power is material change.

Dialectical materialism entails precisely that all material changes are catalysts for revolution, but whether that is a revolution backwards or forwards depends precisely on the consciousness, organization and power of the workers.

The precariat are a requirement of 21st century capitalism. Unionize them and we win history.

She's half Asian I think.

In an episode she refered to herself as Mongoloid jokingly which is the racist term for Asian.

It is most certainly fucking not

Wait, unless you mean racist as in 'race realist', not racist like 'nigger'

Mongoloid means you look like a mongolian, and is derogatory because it was used to refer to autistics. There's you're history lesson

It is absoltuely not a racist insult towards 'asians'. Its only used as an insult to mean 'retard,' for the use to refer to downies and autists. 'Mongoloid' for asians is just a fancier way of saying 'the ones with the eye folds and kinda flatter faces on average,' to try to describe 'race', it doesnt have insulting connotations.

No. It was used to describe people with Down Syndrome. Autism doesn't manifest any physical traits.

your post was good up till that point
learn the difference between marx's historical materialism and stalin's dialectical materialism

I've actually been thinking about this. We need an organizational form that can include the growing precariat.

Go back to your autistic homepage, Rosa Lichtenstein.

Get the fuck off my board.

Dialectical materialism was more Engels and Trotsky.

It isn't strictly Stalin's "diamat"

""""diamat"""" is literally a stalinist invention, retard
hismat is where it's at

it's a good article, capitán autista

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no, no and no

good anarchos use the angry cat or ancom flag
shit anarchos use black flag, an-nil or a for anarchy

Ahem

That's where you're wrong…

would styx make a good trap?

Diamat was coined by Kautsky after Engels' death. It's a totally legit descriptor of what Marx does, btw.

This doesn't mention "dialectical materialism", jackass
it's literally a soviet invention

or do you retroactively apply soviet logic to marx and engels because they used the terms materialism and dialectics?

People with autism really are these fucking souless, animated, mockeries of human consciousness, and identity, who literally believe there is nothing wrong with them, and even go as far as to claim intellectual superiority in certain contexts. It's fucking sickening, yet at the same chilling to see a pseudo intellectual completely un self-aware of thier horrid emotional plague sit thier, and attempt to explain how "The neurotypical populous is incapable of grasping our complex nature". Also bare in mind autists make up the majority of the "aut-right", and Ancaps.

Evidence requested

This might be incredibly painful for you to do, but head on over to literal autism central (r/autism), and take a look at how they respond to any leftist theory, or anything even remotely fucking Marxist. You begin to realize that autists naturally default to the right, and cannot be convinced other wise. It might actually be the saddest past of thier horrid disease.

Lifestylists eternally BTFO

While I agree with the article, I disagree with this specific conclusion. Occupations, riots and town square movements can cause these disuption of capital while bringing people together as well. In my opinion, the question should be how can we tie these spontaneous protests to the more permanent forces of workplace class struggle?

Came here to discuss class struggle, stayed for the autism bashing

Her article seems to have sent LibSocs into a seething rage.

My god you're all pedantic autists. Who cares what it's called, my point still stands. We're talking about the dialectical and material nature of history.

Fam, half of Holla Forums is autistic.

Libcom's twitter admin is pure cancer. The site's a great resouce for reading material though

And the other half are traps.

Ignore the morons user, I'm in SAlt and we do shit with left faction DSA all the time. All this tensions stems from the longstanding hostility of the DSA oldguard socdems and liberals towards the new influx of commies they are getting. It's telling that you can be a reublican and join DSA, but you are not allowed to join DSA if you area member of a "Democratic Centralist(read: communist") party".

A lot of actual commies I know that have worked with or been members in the past hate them. Usually for being idpol to the extreme or generally too liberal. Maybe the group is better now, but from my perspective they've appeared to promote some kind of watered down socialism. Doesn't help I saw some of their stuff in the Evergreen videos.

Libcom is generally pretty shit, they posted an article declaring support for the venezuelan opposition the other day

I remember them being pretty good several years ago. Don't even bother with the forums anymore.

It was rosa lichtenstein who brought it up & caused the autism.

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Doing things so people don't call you a coward is the most cowardly thing you can do.

Maybe we should start punching idpolers.

Fam, I'm sorry to say but your live commentary of you reading the article isn't particularly enlightening.

that guy is nazbol?

We're two different people. I was replying to this guy using text in the article. The other bit I quoted is something I wanted to highlight and comes before the part he quotes.

Back to the old times, that created the new times, but for some reason, not the next time.

100000000/10 posts user holy shit

she a hoe. not gonna read her brain turds.

welcome to leftism, where your intellect goes to rot.

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Don't know much about it except from what I've gathered from tineye, that it's been online since at least september 2010. What the full context what continues to elude me.

DUDE CYNICISM LMAO

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I think these dudes are from the PSL. I'm not sure what the deal with that fucking party is, but everyone I've encountered from it seems to be a tankie that is also very into idpol for some reason and also hates jokes

Yep sounds like PSL. Completely immune to humor, fun, or compromise on any issue. I remember at some large anti-imperialist meeting with a bunch of leftist groups I gave a short speech about how, regardless of your opinion on Assad or even the truth of allegations against him it still wouldn't justify US intervention, and everyone agreed except for the fucking PSL dicks who called me an imperialist shill for not liking Assad enough even though my point was entirely pro Assad and anti-intervention.

As we all know the best way to build power in a country as right wing as the US is to be as joyless and confrontational as possible, apply strict ideological purity tests to narrow your membership, and to insist on publicly supporting Bashar al-Assad and the DPRK.

I'm going to assume you were intending to prove my point