No Thread Bout This Yet? Well, I Hate To Be The Bearer Of Bad News

but terrorism. In England. Again. Read all bout it:

theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/03/london-bridge-closed-after-serious-police-incident-live

Teh merchants of fear and already having a blast over this…

Other urls found in this thread:

theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/
theintercept.com/2017/02/22/trumps-first-terror-arrest-a-broke-stoner-the-fbi-threatened-at-knifepoint/
m.youtube.com/watch?v=SkYl_AH-qyk
theintercept.com/2016/03/30/fbi-honeypot-ensnares-michigan-man/
theintercept.com/2015/11/19/an-fbi-informant-seduced-eric-mcdavid-into-a-bomb-plot-then-the-government-lied-about-it/
theintercept.com/2015/07/13/another-terror-arrest-another-mentally-ill-man-armed-fbi/
theintercept.com/2015/07/29/fbis-key-west-sting-target-incompetent-little-slow/
theintercept.com/2015/04/29/tamerlan-tsarnaevs-path-extremism/
theintercept.com/2015/02/25/isis-material-support-plot-involved-confidential-informant/
independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-terrorist-funding-report-saudia-arabia-focus-not-publish-conservatives-government-a7766381.html
theintercept.com/2015/04/03/alleged-isis-inspired-plotters-provided-bomb-making-manual-informant/
youtube.com/watch?v=jcAeuCiftgc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence#Civilian_areas
ranker.com/list/ways-conquistadors-killed-people/thaneeconomou
youtube.com/watch?v=l1SAhRcNaNQ
marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/marxist-leninist.htm
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Wow, it's almost like if terrorists wanted the right to win…

Oh, they do. Radical Islamists' best recruiting tool's Islamophobia. When the alt-right starts sperging out over this online and The EDL marches through a majority Muslim area shouting "Paki scum" at random teens on their way home from school and mums pushing prams they'll point at the right's reactionaries when they try to make a case for why people who wouldn't usually join Jihadists should go out and kill innocents. It's a vicious cycle…

Friendly reminder that these people are simply the abused working class that is fighting against the oppressive bourgeoisie and they are doing nothing wrong

Get ready for a religious breed of McCarthyism. It's what we'll all look back to one day when we tell our grandkids bout "the old days".

McCarthy did nothing wrong m8

Neither did Stalin (peace be upon him).

-Enver Hoxha, 1979.

theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/

It's already happening. Didn't some new surveillance law get passed like a week after the Manchester bombing? Wonder which liberties they'll chip at this time…

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BLM, afro-nationalists, black nationalists, black panther etc groups are not communists, not progressive, they are fascists with the only difference that they are against the white race. Why are you here? You should be banned.

Panthers did nothing wrong tbqh

Trump’s First Terror Arrest: A Broke Stoner the FBI Threatened at Knifepoint

theintercept.com/2017/02/22/trumps-first-terror-arrest-a-broke-stoner-the-fbi-threatened-at-knifepoint/

I don't think they were the worlds good communists tbf but you can obviously see the Panthers were trying and if they had had better leadership they would've became something. I think calling them "fascists" is harsh

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Stalin murdered tons of people McCharty simply remowed commie spies from his government

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The difference is capitalism can eat my ass like groceries and socialism is badass.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=SkYl_AH-qyk

How surprising.
It is almost as if Muslims are a fifth column that follow a violent and outmoded ideology.
But surly that cannot be the case.

I'm sure that this is just another isolated incident.


The original Black Panthers were only one degree of separation removed from rubbish like the Nation of Islam or the Nuwaubians.
They should be an object of ridicule.

Hell, the people that are vocal in support of them are mostly just attempting to introduce id-pol under a thin veil of leftism to begin with.
Classic ideological subversion; All forms of racial nationalism should be opposed.

FBI Honeypot Ensnares Michigan Man

"In a conversation a month later, the informant told Rayyan that if the Islamic State “asks for my life I would give it up in a heartbeat.”

Rayyan replied, “Your [sic] young and confused,” adding, “I don’t think you know what you want.”

In another exchange, Rayyan told the informant, “I want us to be together.”

“I have other plans,” she replied.

He cautioned, “Don’t do anything that will hurt you, yourself or other people.”"

theintercept.com/2016/03/30/fbi-honeypot-ensnares-michigan-man/

Nobody told me nofap was gonna be this hard…

Manufacturing Terror
An FBI Informant Seduced Eric McDavid Into a Bomb Plot. Then the Government Lied About It.

theintercept.com/2015/11/19/an-fbi-informant-seduced-eric-mcdavid-into-a-bomb-plot-then-the-government-lied-about-it/

Two flavours of shit in one post, you really let yourself shine with this one, Howard.

Another “Terror” Arrest; Another Mentally Ill Man, Armed by the FBI

theintercept.com/2015/07/13/another-terror-arrest-another-mentally-ill-man-armed-fbi/

>>>Holla Forums

So what do you suggest we do about them?

FBI’s Key West Counterterrorism Sting Target “A Little Slow”

theintercept.com/2015/07/29/fbis-key-west-sting-target-incompetent-little-slow/

This is a terrible opinion. Black Americans need a BPP more than a Bernie Sanders.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s Path to Extremism Intertwined with FBI Contacts

theintercept.com/2015/04/29/tamerlan-tsarnaevs-path-extremism/

Camps and repatriation or are humanist morals to offended by that suggestion?

Confidential Informant Played Key Role in FBI Foiling Its Own Terror Plot

theintercept.com/2015/02/25/isis-material-support-plot-involved-confidential-informant/

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Black Panthers is idpol

Not an argument.

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And you know it'd put Islam terror to zero as well.

In what way?

and I am the one who is baiting?

Learn how to make an argument and you'll get one back.

No, I don't, because your genius and simple plan, like every plan that comes out of Holla Forums, hasn't been thought out beyond a few simplistic words that make it sound like an easy feat due to its brevity.

It's a shame this shit's being looked over in this thread cuz everybody else's debating bout The Black Panther Party…

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I'm comparing them to crazy cults obsessed with black racial separatism/supremacy more so then calling them terrorists.

Either way, any form of racial nationalism is something that I oppose.
The Black Panthers were/are an id-pol groups and anyone supporting them should be banned for pushing id-pol.
That shit belongs on r/FULLCOMMUNISM.


Simple, Damnatio Memoriae.
We make Islam illegal and destroy any buildings, books, religious relics, ect associated with Islam.
We then just educate, expel or liquidate the existing muslim population.

One does not see Manichean zealots committing acts of terror.
And that is because so much of the information on that religion was destroyed that it is now literally impossible to practice it.
The same should be done to Islam.


>>>/reddit/

Not an argument, feel free to point out the flaws.

Explain how this works you fucking brainlet.

You have yet to explain how they are idpol? Because Huey Newton was by chance born black?

Camps for wahabbist and Salifists and then repatriation to an ancestors homeland, then start with the rest of the muslim population if they start to use it as an excuse for jihad and we keep going till they get the message or there are no muslims left.

Camps for wahabbist and Salifists and then repatriation to an ancestors homeland, then start with the rest of the muslim population if they start to use it as an excuse for jihad and we keep going till they get the message or there are no muslims left.

independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-terrorist-funding-report-saudia-arabia-focus-not-publish-conservatives-government-a7766381.html
lmao

Okay, I guess if you put it that way I'm retarded for asking. I think a broad movement for all workers would be better. A party specific to black people (or rather black issues) isn't bad, but it could fall for the same idpol bullshit BLM does a lot of the times, depending on the chapter.

He said they were black supremecists isn't that id-pol?

Informant Provided Bomb-Making Manual to Alleged “ISIS-Inspired” Plotters

theintercept.com/2015/04/03/alleged-isis-inspired-plotters-provided-bomb-making-manual-informant/

youtube.com/watch?v=jcAeuCiftgc

How is this idpol or black supremacy. Is this board retarded?

I was just quoting him.

No, just some retards. We used to ignore them but the influx of new users is starting to make them contagious.

Tories deserve to lose votes with every terror attack over shit like this and this , but it would seem very unrespectful to hammer them on it openly. Not waiting until the bodies are cold and all that.

This sucks.

Won't matter the terror attacks won't stop under any governement in the race atm.

How do you determine who these are?
Ah, it's a "simple solution hits an international law brick wall" episode.

so you admit muslims are prone to becomming terrorists?

"Robert Lorenzo Hester of Columbia, Missouri, didn’t have the $20 he needed to buy the 9-volt batteries, duct tape, and roofing nails his new FBI friends wanted him to get, so they gave him the money. The agents noted in a criminal complaint that Hester, who at one point brought his two small children to a meeting because he didn’t have child care, continued smoking marijuana despite professing to be a devout Muslim.

One of the social media posts that initially caught the FBI’s attention referred to a group called “The Lion Guard.” Hester told one of the undercover agents the name came from “a cartoon my children watch.”"

"The agent cautioned Hester that once he decided to proceed there was “no turning back.” He also told Hester that under no circumstances was he to conduct any sort of operation on his own. The agent, referred to in the complaint as UC-2, then “threatened to come back and find HESTER if he learned that HESTER reneged on the promise. For emphasis, and for the purpose of mitigating the security threat posed by HESTER, UC-2 displayed a knife and reminded HESTER that UC-2 knew where HESTER and his family lived, among other forceful words.”

Hester later complained to the first undercover agent that the second agent had threatened to harm him if he “talked about any plans” or “planned without letting him know.” According to the complaint, Hester told the first agent that it was wrong for the second agent to threaten his family.

During December, the second agent continued giving Hester rides home. He gave Hester a new cellphone and free minutes.

Meanwhile, a warrant was issued for Hester after he violated the terms of his bond by testing positive for marijuana. He pleaded guilty in January to charges stemming from the incident in the grocery store parking lot.

On January 31, the second agent met Hester and gave him a list of items to buy, including 9-volt batteries, duct tape, copper wire, and roofing nails, telling Hester that these would be used to build an explosive. According to the criminal complaint, the agent gave him $20 to buy the items after confirming that “HESTER could not get the money.” Hester agreed to repay the money when he could."

"The next day the agent came to Hester’s house, where Hester gave him the requested items, except the copper wire, which he had been unable to find. The agent said he was planning to conduct a violent terrorist attack for the Islamic State and asked if Hester was willing to take part. Hester replied, “I’m down.” The agent then opened the trunk of his car to display several assault rifles and bomb components, all of which had been rendered inoperable by the FBI."

"When the second agent picked Hester up at his house on February 17, Hester had some roofing nails. The two then drove to a nearby storage facility where Hester was arrested.

While Hester clearly appears to be a troubled and volatile individual, as evidenced by the incident at the grocery store parking lot, there appears to be little to suggest that he had the wherewithal or capacity to carry out a terrorist attack without the guidance and assistance provided by the two agents. His case is similar to many others in which individuals in financial, legal, or psychological distress have been befriended by undercover FBI agents or government informants and coaxed into developing a terrorist plot.

Hester agreed to go along with the agents’ plans, even when they described to him in detail their violent intentions. But that — and buying the hardware supplies requested by the agents — appears to be all he did. There is no evidence that he had ever been in touch with actual terrorists or had developed a plot of his own. Some of what he agreed to go along with in this case also came after an undercover agent had pulled out a knife and threatened to kill him and his family."

Sure, sure - but the fact remains that stroking King Salman's cock to the tune of 3.5b in arms sales when his gangster state is directly responsible for the religious wars in the MENA that are spilling over into Europe should be enough to lose any election.

It's a I don't give a fuck about laws that the west invented episode.
As for the rest, I'm sure the security services have got very good at finding thw wahabbists and Salifists because it's were most of the terror comes from. Not that I give a shit all Sunnis hell all muslims can go if they don't feel welcome. Not my job to welcome them.

If they don't have our money they have our guns usually both, figure out how to run an economy on oil or atleast figure out how to dump Saudi as the main oil provider.

Well I would have thought that would be something that even the most dull of retards would have been able to notice.

To put things nice an simple for you, mate.
Black nationalism/separatism is inherently identity politics.
Just the same as if it were a white nationalist group.
The fact that some of the membership may have attempted to dress-up the identity politics in the language of class conflict does not change the fact that they were at their core, they were a group centered around black identity politics.

As such any support for them belongs on reddit and not an anti-idpol board.

an economy without oil

Great simple solution. We'll just let the security services decide based on confidential information to be able to take away anyone's passport and deport them to anywhere in the world. Great fucking idea. Have you considered running for office?

So no real argument, they do that already just after the fact.

You know what it is? Cold war 2,0. Or rather, depending on the Saudis to depress the price of oil and damage Russia/Iran/Venezuela. If we could only get rid of the neocons and neolibs that keep us perpetually in made up conflict to boost arms sales and relive their anticommunist fantasies of decades ago, the problem would already be half-solved. We could simply boycott the Sauds and just take (pricier) oil from the "axis of ebil" that have caused exactly zero deaths in the west.

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Have fun getting that arround the entrenched interests.

Enjoy your camp shitskin. Plus you know the security services do this already with closed court cases to boot.

Not an argument.

It's a perfect argument we do it all already, we just have to let them be proactive.

It will certainly be fun.

They way Corbyn buckled on his EU stance makes me think he'll buckle again when he comes under the pressure of the real big boys.

We do it to people with dual citizenship. We've gotten rid of the odd person with just British citizenship by revoking it when they're in a warzone.

lol

Did he not buckle? Pretty sure he was anti-EU and ended up towing the party line in the end. Maybe a bit half-heartedly.

Howard Scott went full retard in this thread. Is this the fate of all tripfags?

Pretty shit example of him being a buckler if all you have is something from over a year ago.

It's definitely the fate of Howard Scott in most threads.

But the pressure is the same as the PM's role every interest group with a stake in the EU desended on the parties and Corbyn buckled. Who's to say it won't be the same when, as PM, he has to deal with these people every day.

Good point, I will have to vote Lib Dems to save the EU.

At the end of the day international law is only upheld when all parties are willing to play by those rules. Lybia is a free for all, I say we build a temp camp there that they're free to leave at any time but if they go northward they're getting sent back to that camp.

It doesn't matter what party you vote for we arn't leaving the EU, not in any meaningful way.

Please do feel free to point out any points in my posts that you have a problem with.
Be specific.

Thus far.
The only difference between my posts in this thread and every other thread dealing with islamic terror attacks is that I had to point out how black nationalism/separatism is a form of identity politics.

Well, you did propose to kill or deport all muslims. A few hundred people die in the west from muslim terrorism every year on a bad year, but there are millions of Muslims. Killing millions to save hundreds seems like a bad trade on purely utilitarian grounds.

shut down the mosques

Yeah, fuck you.😔✊

Nah, it's still like 00.1% of them.

Find me a piece of work write by the BPP that advocated for separatism. Find me a picture of George Lincoln Rockwell sitting front and centre of a BPP meeting. You take anti-idpol to a retarded conclusion.


You might as well be saying say ML is ethnic nationalist. And because they lived in black ghettos and provided black children with breakfast they only cared about black identity politics?

Says a lot bout the state of Holla Forums when "rays mincing" gets thrown round so much it needs a word filter…

Stop being retarded. Every buzzword Holla Forums don't shut up about gets wordfiltered.

Of course. Everyone is prone to becoming a terrorist

So what's the solution lie down and take it?

This. Idpol can be divisive as fuck, but some comrades' witch hunt for what they consider identity politics is getting way outta hand. I mean, The Black Panther Party were on The FBI's shitlist *especially* cuz they were "commie sympathizers" who gave poor people free shit and woke them up to how they're lives didn't matter under capitalism.

As I previously stated, that is no different from most of my posts in threads concerning islamic terror attacks (very common threads, as it is).

Also, I did not just call for muslims to be deported for killed.
I also listed the option of reeducation.
Deportation would be an option for those that do not take to reeducation and finally liquidation would only be used in select instances.

Also, no.
On purely utilitarian grounds, killing 5th columnists is not a 'bad trade'.
No more so then pruning a plant is a 'bad trade'.


I could not care less if they happened 'give a shit' about black people when others apparently did not.
That does not change the objective fact that black nationalism is Id-pol.


Ummm, no sweetie.
Secondary charitable acts have no effect on whether the core ideology of an organization is id-pol.

I know that you did not learn about objective fact in your humanities course.
But please do try and present relevant information.
Hint: charity is not at all relevant.

Stop going up to Islamic teenagers and calling then dirty terrorists.

Banning immigration from more middle eastern countries wouldn't hurt either, too bad Trump is incompetent.

No I want to hear Afroplops solution.

Also how fucking wide spread do think that is, the state actively surpressed that stuff while also killing all other discorse on Islam. That's part of the reason people are getting so angry, that and the fact a Muslim is incapable of having an honest conversation about Islam unless he's an ex-muslim.

The solution's not to sperg out and go "its da moose-lambs" all over the internet like Carl From Swindon. Especially if you're a leftist. We keep our eye on Porky and don't fall for his "muh western civilization" idpol distractions like the reactionary-wing who think Islam's a bigger threat to them than Tories privatizing The NHS bit by bit behind the scenes.

I'm not sure what kind of reality you've built in your schizophrenic brain in order to make the extreme generalizations that you are.

So the solution is to lie down and take it while focusing on economic problems. Also Labours done their fair share to privatise that institution and it'll collapse anyway by the looks of things.

I'm not saying we're oppressed I'm saying you get arrested for the type of speech. Plus being told by the id-pol crowd that I'm an evil white male hasn't motivated me to go out and bomb people. It's you cunts with this contant deflecting action that's the fucking problem. Never address the ideology even if it's the one consistent link between them all.

Black Panthers weren't as much idpol as they were a necessity. Like I said, the 60s were a pretty bad tine for blacks. You can't blame them for promoting socialism/socialist programs to their people when so called class allies of the white race chose the bourgeoisie over the black worker just cuz the rich white man shared the same skin color. Context is everything here, m8.

We ain't laying down. We're actually doing the opposite by not letting ourselves get distracted by more idpol.

What would "an honest conversation about Islam" even look like though? You'd have to start out with a modicum theological background, knowledge about various sects and metaphysically principles, and then add onto that a discussion of politics and Islam through history ans specifically Cold War and post Cold War oil-financed and CIA supported Salafism. An honest conversation about Islam is waaaaay above any normie's level.

Or is it just someone who says: a lot of contemporary terrorists profess Islam so Islam is INHERENTLY violent and evil and have you seen all these quran verses I can cite in defense of this?

Seems about as useful as an honest conversation about christianity with Bill Maher's would be.

Look up the number of white kids that shoot up schools

It must be ideology

Ok, now listen up mister id-pol humanities major.

All of this 'context' is utterly irrelevant.
It would be just as irrelevant if blacks were chattel slaves in the 60s, or comprised all of the upper class.

Regardless of 'context'.
Black nationalism is still id-pol.
It is irrelevant if that nationalism is coming from a position of power or oppression, or if it the organization engaged in acts of charity.
None of that effects the objective fact that any form of racial nationalism is id-pol and as such something to be opposed.

Are they all affiliated with one group that advocates the death of classmates?

I don't care how well you make the NHS run, it won't make Jihadists suddenly say "well it's quite confy now maybe the infidel doesn't need to be put to death for his heresy".

So that can all be covered including the bits about conversion, religious taxes, kafir and Islamic interaction within itself between the sects and against outside cultures. And yes the qur'an is full of that stuff, if you want it broken down and even read back to you in arabic feel free to go watch the masked arab for some babying.

What difference does it fucking make?
If you feel insecure and oppressed and alone, you'll try to join any "group" that accepts you. You'll also commit acts of violence

These things correlate with ostracization, not your meaningless abstractions.

If islamophobia caused terrorist attacks there'd be a 24/7 fireworks show in Southern and Eastern Europe - yet there isn't, even though most of the refugee traffic is through there and some have significant muslim populations.

Such egoist

Oh yes terrorist attacks by muslims which only started recently being committed by a small portion of them must have been caused by that roughly 1400 years old relegion (which was supposed to be in opposition to suicide) and can help at accurately describing the mentality of 1,6 billion people

Also they're born and raised into that group and threatened with death if they try to leave. Give me the boy I'll give you the man.

So are you historically illiterate or just baiting because those 1400 years of history are marked with violent expansion justified under jihad. I know there are different sects hell Sunnis have started murdering Shia here now to boot so more sectarian violence fucking imported.

I don't think he meant that islamophobia was the primary cause behing terrorist attacks, only that it just makes things worse.

It doesn't help that any questioning of the faith gets fucking shouted down as Islamiphobia which makes the Muslims think they're justified in physical attacks to silence the apparent verbal ones.

I mean hell most of the 1.6 billion following was spread at the point of a sword.

Really? 100% of all muslims ever?
Hell, even 10% of all muslims ever?

Hey can you fuck off and make you own thread or something? We are here to discuss the Muslim attacks

This middle school to you?

By your logic western colonialism and the crusades were caused by Christianity and we should blame today's Christians for them.

If my points are criticized or challenged.
I will respond and defend my arguments.

I'm not the one that introduced black id-pol to this thread.

But you are the one that made it utter shit and full of cancerous fallacious reasoning.

Am I blaming them for conquering the ME and NA? I was pretty sure I was pointing out that the ideology was violent and has been used to justify huge amounts of violence in the past you perfidious fuck.

Sure some are converts most are born into the faith, they're all being fed the same slop. Doesn't matter the qu'ran is the immutible word of god perfect and without need for reform.

Oh yes.
Concluding that a black nationalist organization was peddling id-pol is just so fallacious.
How silly of me.

Please do tell me what your 'feelings' and 'intuition' have to say on the matter.

Are you aware of how Christanity, a desert jew religion, spread through Europe?

Where in the bible does it say heaven is attained by killing non-believers, where does it say to kill people leaving the faith, or tax people of other abrahamic faiths because it isn't the right brand of abrahamic faith is it all packed into one book or are you going to use the old testiment to condem the new and so on. YOu haven't actually refuted my point at all and have just been arguing semantics.

Did Christains take slaves when converting areas, did they rape the wives and children of the defeated pagans fresh from their conquest?

They were low test, what can I say?

I'm a backwards sand savage lover?

Muslims didn't lynch jewish people or massacre members of any other religion (outside of battles). They only cared about getting their freaking taxes and that's it.

What do you mean Christians have been fleeing MENA for decades for a fucking reason. Muslims can rape fucking kafir without punishment. Feel free to go google any MENA country Egypt is a good starting point.

I thought we were talking about the Middle Ages.

It's been ongoing since the middle ages, Berbers weren't always Muslims you know.

Neither were Europeans Christian. What's your point?

Who even still cares about terror attacks? I sure as hell don't. Normies seem to be slowly adapting to it as well. This shit doesn't even last a week in the news anymore.

The idea that barbarism ever stopped then started again in Islam is bollocks.

It being in the book or not did not stop Christianity spreading from the point of a sword which is what you accuse Islam of.

Why?

In your sentence where you simply called my points not true and thought that is enough, could you tell me where are the arguments in it because I don't see any

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Is it still being spread at the point of the sword are crusades still a valid concept in Christianity because Jihad is for Islam. And there is a difference between it being expressly stated as the will of god and some Christian knight hoping the pope will forgive him forgiveness.

Again show me a text or whatever the Christian equivelent of a hadith is where it expressly states that this is okay and the will of god.

Not all muslims.

Just the vast majority of them.

You're wasting your time. Holla Forums will always have a contingent of apologists for Islam because of anti-imperialist logic (they are victims of AmeriKKKa so they must be good!)

Thats so weird when you think about the Ottoman Empire and the Muslim Caliphates that invaded indigenous peoples all over the middle east.

One from every century because I'm lazy
7th century
Destruction of the Jazima tribe by Kalid
8th
Attack on Sind
9th
Sack of Amorium
10th
Seville christian massacre
11th
Hindustan invaded 500,000 enslaved.
12th
Continued raping of India
Christains deported from Granada
13th
20 year campaign in India provides 400,000 new converts.
14th
Cairo riots Christains killed and churches burned by pogroms.

And on and on it goes.

You're trying to find some sort of "essences" of religion expressing once and for all which is the most violent, the most cruel, the most oppressive. This makes no sense.

There is no such things as eternal, ahistorical Islam or Christianity. As Marx put it: Religion comes from the earth, not from the sky — its content is not definite and is shaped by material conditions.

In case you didn't know, what we today call "Islamic terrorism" or "jihadism" is largely a product of the late '80s.

Islam was the only religion to be written in wartime for wartime? Correct?

Because only white European empires are evil even though we apologise in retrospect and try to make amends (probably the only ones to do so) so we must keep apologising and accept that we deserve to be massacred.

The vast majority of Islamist attacks on European soil were carried out by European natives.

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It actually changed as the following grew, when they were small in number they advocated peace and co-existance but once Muhummad had enough manpower he killed all the pagans and began expanding.

I agree with you:

Wwe shouldnt have let their parents in.
We shouldnt have let them build mosques.
And when they go off to a warzone to train up on AKs, we shouldnt let them back.

At the very least we need a travel ban from dangerous countries in the middle east.

You mean second or third gen migrants?

Yeah but Islam has the abrogation rule so all the hippy tree hugging stuff from earlier got overridden by the kill everyone stuff from later.

It wouldn't really bring us closer to a World Socialist Republic in itself, so it would be unnecessary "violence" to deport a large group of people because a few of them commits violence.


topkek
Deus Vult literally means 'God wills it'.
Btw I would be interested if you explained to me how the crusades weren't really started in the name of Christianity.


this
Parts of Quran which were written earlier by Muhammad were a lot mere peaceful than the later ones.

buddy. if you're born in a country, you're a native.

Good lord you are bad at materialism

Didn't Stalin rob banks?

Its not unchanging its got more violent over time.

[citation needed]

"Time" in this case being the last ~50 years.

They robbed a bank for millions. Lenin helped plan it.

I didn't say they were but we don't have modern Christian evangelising the crusades while vilifying the Jihads the way muslims do. I don't see a single modern Christaiin leader calling for a crusade do you? Plenty of muslim leaaders calling for jihad though.

Clearly not or he'd have a problem killing the other natives.

The ideology is expressly stated as immutable especially the qu'ran hadiths are up to interpretation but imans for concensus' on the hadiths.

t. historical illiterate.

Time for a time tax!

A religion is not "written", scriptures are. Religions as social phenomenons are much broader and more complex than whatever their original written doctrine implies — otherwise, contemporary Christians would still support the stoning of adulterers.

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because murder and terrorism doesn't happen in immigrant free societies. jesus christ.

Fair enough. Mohammed was illiterate he couldnt read or write anything.

I should have said made up rather than written.

If the qu'ran was ever to be changed in a way that toned down the violence the followers would be labeled apostals, hell it's happened in Pakistan.

Its very low.

Look at Japan. They dont have a terrorist problem like every country in Europe.
They took in 16 muslims in 2016. And more than half are now in prison so they decided not to take any more.

Yes but equating lone wolves to people with a uniform ideological backing that expressly states that killing non-believers is gods will is intellectually dishonest. And the rate would be much much lower in any case and thaat can't be disputed either.

they had a huge terrorist problem after american occupation however

wonder why

Is this peak baizuo?

Really proof?

Yes. And because they were born in Europe, that means they're European natives — duh.


Whether you're a native has no bearing on whether you're okay with murdering fellow natives. Was McVeigh not an native? Was Breivik not a native?

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Yes, t. ISIS

Not huge compared to muslim terrorism.

Remember not all terrorists are muslims but all muslims are terrorists.

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There are many examples of majority-muslim countries becoming progressively more civilized and electing secular governments, shortly followed by America and the UK perpetrating a "regime change" and installing some pet religious nutjob.
For instance:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

On what grounds?


The earliest European mosques were built in the '20s.


And send them the message that it's better if they actually stick with ISIS instead of redeeming themselves?


t. Orange Neo-Con

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If they're tring they're killing us if they arn't they're subject to the death penilty by those who are.

So the last 50 years vs the last 1400. Still doesn't justify joe bloggs on the street having to learn van dodging lessions.

They are too backward and primitive to live in a post roman society.

I bet there isnt many. It wouldnt take long to tear them down too.

Yeah. I dont mind if they stick with ISIS in the middle east. The middle east is the place for violence. Egypt used to empty all its prisoners in to Afghanistan and simply not let them back in to Egypt.


MFW Im an orange supremacist.

They weeren't needed and we didn't want them
Yes Europe has always been open like that and now it's being exploited.
That implies that after all the killing they've done in the name of Islam they're suddenly going to magically become disallusioned.

Only if you take the enemy out with you.

In Islam the only way you go straight to heaven is if you die in the process of killing enemies of Islam.

If you die naturally, you have to wait in your grave until judgement day. Which would be pretty boring.

They aren't suicides, they are martyrs. There is a difference in Islam.

So you're backpedaling on your 50 years claim then

Not in the original lore, it was an amendment. Can't remember what they're called.

Terrorism was such a big issue in '30s Japan that some historians called it the era of "government by assassination". Political violence was commonplace.

None of them are following Islamic war laws, they aren't martyrs, they might as well be infidels at this point

t.ex-muslim

First of all, I think its worth separating out attacks on politicians with attacks on innocent members of the public.

What 50 years claim? Sure you can point out some secular states rising in the ME what about the rest of Asia? It still doesn't ovewrite the past 1400 years or their religious texts.

why?

How is your head still attacted to your shoulders?

Also which sect are you formerly from?

Were there islamic terrorists in the past 1400 ? or are you implying old conquests are terrorism ?

"O ye who believe! … [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire …" (4:29-30).
Also can you tell me why only Sunnis commit suicide bombings even though the whole thing originates from Shia?

Because they have quite different motivations.

If a politician implements law X, and someone is so upset that they kill them its obviously bad but there is some logic there.
Where as attacking unrelated random civilians to cause widespread panic is quite different.

I live in Morocco, I have no idea what sect I was, here people are just "muslims", some sunni, some shia, but a lot of people don't even know the difference

People already mentioned they dont look at it as committing suicide they look at it as dying in battle:

It stems from the same thing it's all justified using the same fucking texts.

NA has always been more laid back about it which shows a pre existing cultural divide between morrocans and the Arab conquers.

This is just crass essentialism.


t. ISIS militant blowing up cultural artifacts that upset him


You clearly know jack shit about the history of European immigration.


No, Europe has not "always" been "open" like that.

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kek, I bet you think Alexander the great was also a terrorist

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence

there are warfare laws under Islam, which none of ISIS is conforming to

You're acting like the black workers were the ones who throughout history refused to join forces with workers of other races against the bourgeoisie. There was nothing the black proletariat could've done to form voltron and take down Porky with poor whites cuz poor whites wanted to feel like they were at least above blacks in the pecking order even if they didn't have 2 pennies to rub together themselves so they let Porky class-cuck them with Jim Crow. The White-American working class ain't now and ain't historically been very loyal to black workers so don't get pissy when black socialists advocate on behalf of people who look like them every once in a while.

Its weird I know, but that is how they view it.

Remember these rules were written to motivate people who were fighting close quarters battles with swords.

Is this where you tell me all the migrant post 30's was because we had destroyed ourselves with 2 wars and were in desperate need to import all these people from around the then ex-empire or the bit about the last 20 years where it was really ramped up for no reason what so ever.

ISIS would condemn said legal scholars as apostates not following true Islam, like they do with every other Muslim group

Did Alexander follow a book saying that what he was doing was preordained by a divine entity? That he had an absolute right to it?

Except these laws stem from the qu'ran and were applied by Muhammed, at this point you might as well be saying ISIS are not muslims

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence#Civilian_areas

What difference does it make? christian countries back then also had a strong church influencing the state, are you implying the roman empire was a terrorist state?

That is some r/atheism tier argumentation right there

well……


yes.

The NHS and other socialist government institutions being gutted by the Tories is a lot more important right now than "muh Moose-lambs!" Old ladies have to ride busses to keep warm cuz they can't pay their heating at home. You ain't gotta clue how cutthroat the right-wing is, m8.

My God, you're a complete idealist with no capacity for historical nuance. It's been stated multiple times in this thread that referring to holy scriptures as some sort of blueprint followed by all Muslims from all places, status and eras makes no sense whatsoever. You sound as obnoxious as some teenage atheist who believes he's debunked Christianity because he's just found some backwards verses in the Old Testament.

Listen, nigger.
I'm only going to post on this matter one more time as it is clear that I'm not getting through to your humanities major brain.

It is utterly irrelevant how blacks were treated or viewed by whites.
None of that changes the simple fact that any form of racial nationalism is id-pol.
Black nationalism is both just as shit as white nationalism and just as much a form of identity politics.
No surrounding 'context' changes that.

So you agree that is incorrect to say that there is a direct connection between the Quran and suicide bombings.
Swordfighting still doesn't include commiting suicide.

Again point to a an absolute Christian theocracy that's putting people to death in the name of god now. This faith is practicing this now and you're comparing it to actions from Christianity 2000 years ago.

I don't care they genuinely believe that god will reward them for killing non believers.

You made no such nuance in your post. You said we shouldn't have "let them in" because we "didn't need them". Whatever happened in the last 20 years is irrelevant because at this point those "backward and primitive" people had already be let in.

How do you define terrorism anyway, is it no longer terrorism when the state bombs countries for capitalist profit ? does it have to be written on scripture? do you honestly believe muslims and christians just wake up and go out to kill gays or something? there is a clear material condition that leads people to fall back onto fundamentalism, there would still be terrorism right now even if there was no islam in the middle east, Islam is nothing but the justification, not the cause


Oh and, there is no such thing as "god rewards them for killing non believers", that only implies in case of aggression, non believers were always protected under Islamic law, they had to pay a Jizya however (Tax)

ranker.com/list/ways-conquistadors-killed-people/thaneeconomou

LOL Black power.

The diffrence being there's only on qu'ran and alot of different versons of the bible.

Not playing fucking deconstructionalism.

So point out which migrant in the last hundred years that was done for any real reason. Because most of our problems stem from the migration that happened this century and last.

No Im just saying that if you take rules and laws for wartime in the Iron age and try to live by them today the result is going to be a bit weird.
There clearly isnt one correct way to interpret all the different texts about dying in battle and they didnt have suicide bombers back in the days when Mohammed was assaulting mecca, or invading Arabia so there are no examples to look at.


Religion is weird in general.
Its for people who want to believe obvious lies because they are comforting.

Being critical of state action is now deconstruction? is that you Sam Harris?

At this point it doesn't really matter how the westerners react. Muslims perceive modern western culture as worthless and they will radicalise anyway.
Hate them and they will hate you in return.
Give them free shelter, money and food, they will hate you anyway because of how weak and emasculated you are.

The only way to stop this without becoming genocidal is to put the mosques under the state control and hopefully replace radical preachers with "progressive" puppets but we all know this is not going to happen because muh equality and muh freedom of religion.

So again we deserve death now for what Spanish explores did years ago.

Theres a number of versions of the Quran.

Comparing the Arabic one to the English one is very interesting because you can see all the things they changed and took out to suit non arabic attitudes.

No but saying state action means we have to accept being killed, over a policy we have no control over is equally as stupid.

This is true.

The way we pacified christfaggotry was to make everyone progressive.

They have atheist priests in Sweden.

Ive never heard of an atheist imam?

The Black Panthers Party dropped black nationalism early on and understood that they had show solidarity with the working classes of other races. Do you actually know anything know anything about the party or do you get all of your information from retarded porky sources who say they're exactlt the same as the KKK.

where did I say "we have to accept being killed", I'm only explaining to you why blaming moderate wester muslims for western imperialism backlash is dumb

Does it equate to the same divides we see in other religions like Pords vs Cathlics in terms of faith, practice and doctrine?


So no solution at all then.

That is a giant fucking strawman. I never said that anyone deserves to die because of this. I was simply asked that when were any kind of violence commited in the name of Christianity and I replied.

Well maybe stop bombing countries for a starter, I think that might help

and cut ties with Saudi Arabia while you're at it

An I have responded ad nosiaum for a relevant text in Christian ciculation today saying killing non-believers is okay.

Great we demand and demand and we are ignored and then the muslims bomb us anyway. Not the people making these decisions us.

The people making these decisions are your representatives, or are you also living under a dictatorship ?

Happy too Iran and Russia would be potentially better allies as long as Putin doesn't get Tsarist.

Iron rule of oligarchy son.

Well now you're understanding why this board is filled with commies

Countries that never took part in these bombing are being attacked.
People from countries who weren't bombed by the West recently are often perpetuators of attacks.
Everyone has been bombed at some point of history but you don't see, say, the Vietnamese performing terrorist attacks in the West.
But not bombing them might reduce the influx of refugees from Syria a bit I guess so it's a start.

lol why didnt you overthrow the government to make it stop being imperialist?? fugin AmeriKKKan infidel :D

You people will literally make excuses for everything if someone below the anti-imperialist line is doing it and reject obvious solutions, like repatriation, for being mean.

Doesn't matter you'll just replace them with your own defacto oligarchy, the only communist society you'll find is in the infancy or the ashes of civilization.

Islamophobia is a sensible reaction to islamopahty and islamophrenia.

Firstly, I did indeed call you a nigger.
We happen to be on a semi-anonymous, obscure Vietnamese cave-painting forum.
Grow some fucking thick skin or fuck off back to reddit.

Secondly.
We are not a debating.
I have been having to rehash the same core point for several posts, all while you have been posting utterly irrelevant garbage.

I'm not a leftist, retard.
I could not give less of a shit about 'class struggle'.

This is why id-pol needs to result in a ban.
You are on the same level as any fucking Holla Forums asshole that screams 'white power'.
As such, just as I hope those that support white nationalism die off, I can only hope you and those that think the same vile, racist, id-pol infested thoughts as you get lynched.

Vietnam had it's terrorism issues too, so did Latino America, literally every country that was destabilized had it's terror period

How is that not a normal reaction from their perspective, you'd probably want revenge too if your family got shot down by drones

at this point I'm afraid I'm replying to a geopolitical illiterate

Nigger power.

Sorry I didn't read properly.

Not an arguement. It doesn't matter what we do they'll hate us all the same at this point.

Black power = "Fuck racism"

White power = "Whites are the master race/uphold the status quo"

Not at all the same as an anonymous 1488er calling people niggers on a message board. Black power/Pan-Africanism exists cuz people such as yourself (whether or not you're a leftist) hate black people and make for shit allies. Dial back on the Asserism and maybe there'll no longer be a need for black leftists to rock Pan-African colours on Holla Forums.

Bless. The last cries of any idiot with internet access.

I won't pretend to be an expert on Vietnamese terrorism but I would guess most if not all incidents happened on their soil.

Sure, but at least now you understand why, and you also understand that there is no point in blaming all muslims for the actions of the few since you yourself admit that you don't approve of your leaders policies, we're getting somewhere friend

Tbh any instances of black power I've seen have all been invariably fuck whitey he is the colonial whipping master that is now pulling the string on every front of PoC oppression.

No you didn't provide an argument.

Just because I don't approve of my government's actions doesn't mean I'm going to let the ideology get a free pass you ingrate.

That is because back then Germany didn't obnoxiously let in hundreds of thousands of refugees without procedure, I really hate how they did the most morally good action, in the most fitting time, but also in the worst and most autistic way possible

No. They just took a bunch of stuff out that would upset western sensibilities. Like casual beating of women owning slaves, references to Jinns spooky ghosts, drinking urine fvor health, having multiple wives.

1. Their families didn't get shot down by drones
2. I fail to see how it is normal to blow yourself up in a Baghdad market as a revenge attack for american bombings of Baghdad. In the Islamophrenic pespective however, this might be a normal reaction, since they believe that a psychopathic slave trader suffering from auditory hallucinations and narcissistic delusions of grandeur is the perfect man, so from that perspective, it's completely logical.

About what I expected then, a shame because it would have been nice to be pleasantly surprised by Islam for once.

Fucking hell nigger.
This is your mind on id-pol.

You and your vile ilk are just as much my enemy as any white nationalist cunt.

That wasn't me. But if you're a retard, you probably won't get an argument since calling you retarded takes far less time.

When you consider that black supremacists think all white people are racist then fuck racism is basically the same as fuck whitey.

I never said to let the ideology get a free pass, as an ex-muslim I'm also critical of the ideology myself, but I do realize that most people in my country are not terrorists, I used to be a braindead atheist a la "Islamophobia is a bad term -Bam Barris :DDDD", but now it's clear to me that people misinterpret the ideology for their own convenience and biases, whether it's ISIS or you

So

Maybe you should just admit your just an apologists for regressives that'll never do the same for you.

I don't care no muslims means no one to misinterrpret the fucking texts, if they are infact being misinterpreted in the first place. I honestly think that's a go to excuse because the qu'ran is not big at all on allegory.

and how do you fail to see how that is normal? not to be disrespectful but a lot of people believe a lot of weird shit (e.g Hindus), but you don't see them killing people, since they have no reason to

Have you been checked for retardation? I was never involved in an argument, I never made any attempt at debate or an argument. I am only posting to call you retarded.

I don't care if people practice Islam, but I would prefer it if it was done somewhere far away from me, since American foreign policy is unlikely to change any time soon. All this apologism, Not All Muslims (tm), whataboutism, and so on, is pointless, and obscures the only question of consequence:

Given that a large group of Muslims is likely to contain several Islamic terrorists, should my country continue rescuing them from American imperialism and accept terror attacks as the new normal, for the greater good?

are you fucking retarded or what, why do you keep bringing the fucking text, even if there was no Islam in the region you'll still get terrorists killing people you dumbfuck, you think you're gonna need scripture to tell you to kill whoever was responsible for your family's death ? how do you fail to see that geopolitics are more than just "muh Islam" is beyond me

Then fuck off then your job is done, you've successful detracted from the argument rather thgan putting in any effort.

of course not, never have I implied such a thing, like I said, taking refugees is a good thing, but it should be met with a procedure, I mean here in Morocco there are thousands of Nigerian migrants that come to Melilia (a spanish city in our country) just to jump into it, because for some reason your fucked up laws imply that anyone who touches the country's soil should be given asylum

So the justification is there will always be violence so we shouldn't stop people that are violent from coming or being prevented or punished for being violent or sent back for being violent.

For the same reason I wouldn't see it as normal if I were to walk into my local mosque and blow myself up in a deed of revenge for the recent muslim attacks on Egyptian non-muslims.

But maybe I'm the deluded one here and I should blow myself while yelling "allah isn't great!"o

see

kek

Also I know how geo-politics work but again I've addressed that as no justification for the bombing of people that don't control said politics and the complete lack of a proper way of combating the problem other than apparently just let them be.

whether you blow up yourself or simply shoot up your school for being bullied is quite irrelevant, it's the same thing either way, just done in a different way, you do realize kamikaze attacks existed long before islamic terrorism right?

I do enjoy these memes though.

Then how do we know what to look for and how to prevent it?

Without muslims there would be one terrorist incident every few years or something…
With muslims its becoming once per week.


Im not just talking about the west. There was one in Kabul and another in Iraq and of course they are attacking the Philippines at the moment.

I am not justifying anything, I am only explaining why, and I've never said I hold the answers to do problem, my only point is that blaming everything on "muh muslims" is retarded, just like those people don't control said politics, the majority of muslims don't control said terrorists either

I never said that, I said the method is irrelevant

So Jihadis will get fake passports and refugee credentials, get on welfare, and start planning Jihad. ISIS is expansionist, so let's not pretend this won't happen.


There's a very easy and humane answer that will never be implemented: world governments form a coalition to pacify and redraw Middle Eastern borders to create a place for Muslims to live in safety, where they can be repatriated to and quarantined until they can learn to function in the rest of the world.

Yes but why should they be able to come if they bring their own brand of religious 3rd world problems in the first place? I wouldn't expect an Aran country to accept Christain asylum seeker full stop but supposing they were in a state and willing to do so I can't see them accepting said refugees if there was even a percentile of a percentile that were going to go after the citizens for not being Christain.

Just want to mention that american care culture is further permeating my facebook feed. For each terrorist attack in Europe I see fewer and fewer "stand with" or "solidarity with" and similar care posts and more and more "pray for" care posts. Even from non religious faggots. At least the first examples symbolize caring as in "if I actually cared I might have done something of worth", but the new praying shit is literally "even if I cared I wouldn't bother doing anything of worth". I guess this is nitpicking but I find most shit annoying these days.

Neo- imperalism racist racist racist etc

Again, hence why everyone here is a fucking communist, do you actually expect the world leaders who caused this mess for their own profit to fix it? I mean Saudi Arabia, the terror sponsoring state is on the fucking human rights council and is one of the U.S closest allies, that should tell you enough about what kind of political system you have

Well they wouldn't be coming if their countries didn't get bombed in the first place, do you see how circular your logic is getting

Bollocks if the current migrant crisis is anything to go by you don't need a war to want gibs and travel far for it.

According to surveys 70% of Africans would move to Europe if htye had the opportunity.
This is not because every country in Africa got bombed. Or even 70% of htem.

its because Europe is a safe place with job opportunities, education and generous welfare.

That is a whole other topic concerning neo-colonialism, hence why everyone here is a fucking communist, this is becoming a catchphrase at this point

And again punishment we deserve for things out of our control. How many revolutions have you successfully conducted anyway?

If only we stopped bombing Iran, then they would stop coming!

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So what? It works. If a Caliphate will keep them quarantined, then help the Arabs to build a Caliphate that is satisfactory to them.


I expect nothing approaching what I said to happen, I said as much. All decisions wrt. Muslim policy should be made operating under the assumption that Saudi-Israeli-American foreign policy will continue in its current form. This leaves exclusion as the most pragmatic way to keep non-Muslims safe. It is a cold policy, but all evidence would indicate that a utilitarian policy of "X dead or injured natives for 100,000X Muslims helped" is a hard sell.

Good point we didnt even get involved in Syria but we have to deal with their refugees.

they would've been more successful if murica and fascists didn't shit on them

Muslims had their own colonialism remember?

They just lost out in WW1 and havent recovered.
That isnt our fault. Nobody forced them to join WW1.

Hardly it all moves hand in hand.

Yes lets convinently forget all those nationals that are migrating from just poor regions like Eritrea.

I was being sarcastic user.

Great so how does that justify islamic terror again?

Turkey is still doing quite well compared to other muslim countries, and that's not what neocolonialism means

we're talking about refugees not economic migrants, that's why I said it's another topic

Even when the whites are gone, they are still an absolute necessary in the ideological order. The negro is impotent, idle and stuck in perpetual present, so to explain why time doesn't stand still, the white man is required to wind up the clock.

islamic terror = anti-imperialism bruh

its not like they can fight a symmetric war

sorry I thought you were talking about communist revolutions, nothing justifies terrorism, whether it's Islamist of state sponsored

Why if they're muslim? Same ideology appears in both groups you're only interested in the group you think has a justification for it.

or*

If you go right back to 'who started it' with the Murrifats and the Mudslimes, it was mudslime slavers who wouldnt stop attacking American ships.

I'm going to ignore you because alot of people have avoided that stupid sentiment for good reason.

Because they got all the oil contracts from the Iraq war.

I know you were, but plenty of people seriously think that way because their brains have been fried by tankie logic.

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Explain SA pls?

Because those two groups have different motifs of coming to the west, one is coming for economic opportunity, the other is fleeing a warzone

knock yourself out in the other thread about race realism, this is a geopolitics discussion and I don't want it to turn into autistic screeching about muh Autism Level

And both have been shown to conduct Islamcist terror attacks using Islam and Allah as justification.

Fair enough.

lmao I can't even type I Q anymore because of how Holla Forumsyps abused the word

Michael Brown died for your muh privilege and all you do is meme on Holla Forums.

If that isn't racism, then nothing is, so my post isn't either.

Theres like 400 very useful words that you cant use on here due to the obnoxious word filters.

Its almost like the mods dont want people to have a productive discussion.

Quotes from Bobby Seale

They are kinda like the Zapatistas tbh

Seriously, most majority non-Muslim areas with a substantial Muslim population have a Muslim problem.

Muslim problem
Muslim problem, among other ethnic and religious hatreds
Chechens
Uzbekistan boils Jihadis alive, for one. Along with any other dissidents.
Goes without saying.
Muslim problem
Uyghurs

We need a quarantine zone.

the only problem in the balkans are the albanians (who are no muslim btw)

most economic migrants come from non muslim countries (subsaharan countries to be specific), they do commit crime, but it's not classified under "terrorism", and of course there's going to be a minority of muslims that gets radicalized now and then from propaganda (the Tunisian terrorist in Berlin last year), which has different social reasons to it, Islam and Allah is the justification they find, it's never the cause, I doubt a top class student with a girlfriend and a stable life is gonna go blow himself up for allah

What?

Someone should tell them that.

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what

A failure.

He prevented a famine with land reform, vaccinated over 2 million kids and improved women's rights until the CIA fucked it all up

It doesn't matter the texts act as an avenue and by the same token those successful muslims will remain indifferent or even passively support the radicals, the Belgiuns found the airport attacker being hidden by his community. So even if they arn't active terrorists what do we do if they hold sympathese with terrorist action over other people in the nation getting blown up. They want to admit no failure on their part or the part of their religion as a whole, you know if the faith didn't justify it with rewards and such maybe people would feel less inclined. I've already said all this, point is we wouldn't have to deal with this particular brand of bollocks if it wasn't here and being preached.

He was bretty gud tho, his failure was not being immortal when the burgers violently overthrew him.

An outlier?

and again, no where in the faith does it say u go to heaven for killing a family shopping in Christmas with a fucking truck, you might as well be admitting that they are not using Islam as a justification at this point, you can pretty much twist anything to fit your world view, reminds me of Jesus loving conservatives who are pro-market.

And I agree with the community point, muslim communities hardly integrate into western society, especially in Sweden, I do not think countries should be letting in people who don't even speak the language, they will have a hard time assimilating

They are all non-believers arn't they? It's pretty explicit about what to do with non-believers.

Gee, I don't know. Could it be that people seeking better life prospects sought more attractive employment opportunities or simply a safer environment? I guess we'll just never know.


Okay, I get it, you're just completely retarded.

No where does it say to kill non-believers simply for breathing, let alone children and women, that is just a meme gone too far, Islam has warfare laws :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence#Civilian_areas
and the verses about killing non-believers are only in self-defense and fending off invasion

t.ex-muslim

He was a negro, and as it goes for negro presidents, they kill their predecessors, and some years later, get killed in the same manner.

Not really, aside from the lack of Soviet influence.

Okay that gives now explenation why we had to let them in.
Mass migration is also new and the problems stem from when we started importing communites wholesale.

youtube.com/watch?v=l1SAhRcNaNQ
For fucks sake because I know muslims are about as versed in the qu'ran as most westerners.

This is so vague it could mean anything including killing civilians in an act of terror.
Either way it doesn't really matter what's written in the scriptures. What matters is what they believe and what's preached.
The rules you've linked to are about as real as Bilbo Baggins.

Wouldn't much of that be abrogated by later verses according to ISIS' understanding of Islamic jurisprudence?

The problem is muslims see the entire world as the muslim world and every non muslim as an invader.
Thats why they get angry at gay people in a club in the USA for example and shoot them with AKs. Even though its miles away from their region of the world.

t. your own ass talking on its own

If Muslims werent ignorant of Islam they would stop being muslims.

Same with Christians etc.

I watched a lot of this "Masked Arab" videos, hell I even used to link him to my friends back in my fedora stage, but he quotes a lot of verses out of context, especially those about warfare, and it's coated under the pile of videos he makes criticizing Islamic morality (which are good videos by the way), the link I sent you is from wikipedia, unless you are some Holla Forumsyp who think it's a Jewish propaganda run website then I don't see why you'd disagree with it

So why would they get angry at gays having fun outside the muslim world?

I'm staunchly nonreligious but it pisses me off when people criticize religion without context. Verses on holy books are meaningless without it.

It's like how people reference Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of the OT's archaic, violent morality when the citizens basically deserved it by modern standards.

Again that old out of context argument. Jesus Christ so new verses don't supersede the old ones?

t.fedora tipper
No you dipshit, being an atheist does make you smart, there is nothing wrong with having faith in god

It'd probably help justify their actions even more, they don't function through the western moral framework.

Islam is a religion, not an ethnic group — it has no designated "region of the world" as its home. Religions are universal worldviews by nature, this is not an exclusive feature of Islam.

Actually it does. Look up I Q and its correlation to not having faith

I never claimed it did.

I know it's an overused argument but in this case of warfare laws it is really out of context, most of the moral fun about Islam and Muhammed marrying a child is true (which is where this argument gets used a lot), I am very critical of Islam, but twisting it to further my own agenda is not my thing

Verses are not isolated, they only have meaning in context. You can't cherry pick one line to mean the opposite of what the full passage says.

Back to Holla Forums

Fair enough

I would say mecca is its home.

But it should be quite obvious that a secular country like the US with a separation of church and state is not its home.


I just want to know why they attack gays outside muslim countries for dancing in clubs? If they dont want gays in muslim countries I guess thats fine. Make a law against it. Dont just take an AK and start killing them indiscriminately.

Wow your really new to religion.

So you're happy accept Islam has been violent and expansive just that it was never justified in the religion. So where did the motivation come from if not their shared belief it was the religiously proper thing to do?

Like I said the qu'ran doesn't do allegory, the commands are pretty simple and direct in the stories.

Every country was expansive back then, there were countless European empires through history, hell U.S expansion was based on religious principles

The qu'ran does have a lot of allegories, my favorite was the cave one personally, half chans /lit/ has threads about Bible/Qur'an allegories a lot of times

Yes, but the reasons are made clear as being defensive warfare, not preemptive violence.

The US was isolationist for quite a while.

Its first war was a naval battle to stop the muslim barbary pirate states from attacking their shipping.

Yes but not one of those is still using anything like that to justify colonialism hell western nations spend alot of time apologising. Islam is unapologetic in its stance and spreading and justifying it under "misinterrpreted" texts.

"defensive war only" is abrogated by later verses I'm pretty sure

Unless they are oppressors, most of you would count the west as oppressors right?

A quarter of the world’s population is muslim, there are over a billion qurans (including living ḥuffāẓ), and there are Islamic sects almost as iconoclastic as you that still readily propagate.

There is no religious group more ready for a protracted defensive holy war. It would take one hundred years of ruthless genocide to even force Islam into the periphery. I have serious doubts that there is a group capable of doing it, if they have the will they lack the means.

Not an argument.

Bullshit, most public support for maintaining military presence in the Middle East is founded in religious sentiments. American Protestants are just too cowardly to do what they want to happen themselves.

Justifying imperialism with "we're bringing them democracy" is no different, you're essentially invading others for profit

I meant the U.S when it expanded to the west and took the remaining states from mexico

Mecca is not a "home", it's a holy city and the destination of the hajj pilgrimage. That would be like saying the Wailing Wall is the home of the Jews.


Are Christians not "home" in the US?


As I said, religion are universal worldviews. They have no specific area of operation. Why do you think Christian fundamentalists from the US spear-headed the anti-gay legislation of Uganda?


No, it isn't. You sound like a complete moron who lacks basic human empathy when it comes to people living on another continent.

Not exactly.
Remember Islam is a cult of personality as much as a religion.
And Mecca is the place where Mohammed got kicked out of and then formed an army to fight his way back in.


Secular Christians are yeah.


And yet your the one attempting to justify muslims attacking gays in gay clubs.
I personally would not attack them.

Abrogated verses in Islam are a hotly debated topic and can vary between sects.

Well, some Western nations certainly are. It's a horrible excuse, but one founded in truth. Middle Eastern classcucks are as xenophobic as Western ones, making the same broad strokes.

You literally cannot be a Christian (or Musliclm ofc) without being a theocrat, by the strictest definition. Separate of church and state is a recent concept.

The sects that think extreme violence is justified are winning because they can simply kill the ones that arent.

I respect your trips but I have to point out the existence of atheist priests in Scandinavia.

How many levels of neoconservatism are you on right now?

There are gay priests too. It's still heresy.

The gold standard from which all other power is derived.

Wahhabism has a hell of a lot of funding behind its propagation. Welcome to modern international politics.

And again I go back to why that should mean we should suffer for the selfish choices of people we have no control over.

Good thing I'm not American then, I don't think anyone here want's anything to do with the ME now. Hell I'd take sliding back 300 years to no long be oil dependent.

i think it has more to do with the billions of dollars of support they receive from Saudi Arabia

This is actually something someone from the center left proposed in Italy, to control possible radical islamist activities by appointing imams in the mosques. However, the right went apeshit about it because "muh destroy mosques" and the left was all "muh freedom of religion".

So it's impossible because both flavours of liberalism would lose a good source of votes and influence, and that won't do.

Italy doesn't even have a sizeable muslim population to begin with, no muslim terrorist activities and most of the are Albanians anyway, which mostly don't really care about religion [/spoiler] Hohxha did nothing wrong [/spoiler]

How is it different from any other Abrahamic religions in that aspect?


What the fuck are you talking about? Are you really that dense or merely pretending to be retarded?

Mohammed formed government and had many wars and battles.
His center of military and political power was in mecca.

Jesus didnt have a center of power as far as we know. We dont really know that he definitely existed.

If you wanted to argue that the Jews homeland was Jerusalem Jewsalem, I wouldnt dispute that.


When it comes to religion you have to put yourself in the mind of a retarded person to some degree.

This really cracks me up, this "ex-Muslim" here whining about how "well it actually says in the Koran that these terrorists are wrong".

Newsflash, faggot - they don't care. Most of the Muslim world does not care. Muslim thought-leaders have basically rubber-stamped suicide bombing and killing the infidel with big fucking "Halal" stamps. As far as Muslims are concerned, they have all the justification they need to let their hatred for anything SLIGHTLY different from them run rampant - between the words of their thought-leaders giving the green light for atrocities to be committed against the infidel, to the convenient appropriation of the issues faced by Syrians, Palestinians or whoever the "Muslim victim of The Great Satan" du jour happens to be for the sake of bolstering their already-existent desire to "kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them".

Islam's holy book and what it actually says to Muslims matters about as much as what Christianity's holy book and what it says to (insert Christian-affiliated group associated with atrocities here). Your (ex)religion is as spiritually bankrupt as any Christian televangelist faith-healer scammer and it deserves to be tossed into the dustbin of history. The only Muslims who are decent enough to realize that most of the rest of Islam has utterly and totally lost the fucking plot and needs a reform are the Ahmadis AND YOUR BRETHREN WANT TO KILL THE AHMADIS FOR BEING HERETICS.

If I believed in a hell I'd wish that you go there just for your fucking mendacity and apologism.

Christianity was too, during the slow-burn religious civil war in Judea between the Greek leaning and more traditionalist Jews, with the Romans also being around and wrecking everybody's shit without really understanding any of it. Culminating eventually in the burning of the Second Temple, but that was the conclusion to a century(ies) long conflict.

How little times change.

the ex-muslim guy here
There's no apologism in whatever I said, terrorism is still terrorism and it's despicable, I am merely saying that blaming muslims for the actions of ISIS while ignoring geopolitical factors is retarded

Most muslims are just working class people living their daily lives like you and the people you know, stop generalizing and talking out of your ass

First you say they don't care about the religion, then you say the religion is spiritually bankrupt, and you compare it to a televangelist instead of Christianity itself, the amount of ideology coming from your post is unbearable

Not my brethren, most of the people I know in my country couldn't care less about politics, let alone Islamic law, because my country fortunately does not have oil in it

your incompetence is outstanding Howard. You fail to understand the reasons that a black man might want to show affinity to the black power movement on a socialist board that has historically been so afraid of identitarian politics that it occasionally fails to grasp the nuance of some identitarian struggles. I'm of cores not advocating for any form of identity politics, but I at least understand the reason for black power movements and can understand that historically they normally start out as oppressor fighting oppression, as opposed to white power movements which are normally reactionary attempts to maintain social status quo . Not only this, but in your failing attempt to chastise Afroplasm for his views, you resort to calling him a nigger and start generally flinging shit. This unnecessary hostility only legitimizes his reason for being on this board in my opinion. I don't think I need to explain to you why calling a black man a nigger in a purposefully insulting manner is inappropriate, because I know outside of the protection of your online vitriol zone, you wouldn't dare consider doing it for the sake of your anal virginity.

I unironically support this solution.

ISIS' brutality and conquest is essentially fucking Muslim and Quranic in nature. Just because it isn't "your perfect version of Islam", means exactly jack and fucking shit. Western imperialism, at best, simply accelerated the coming of ISIS.

Islam has waged wars of conquest and aggression many, many times before. The genesis of the first Crusade was Seljuk Turks (you know, MUSLIMS) attacking Holy Land pilgrimages.

I don't believe you when you say you're an ex-muslim, honestly.


Televangelists are Christians. They are not GOOD Christians, but they are Christians. If you'd prefer, I can compare your disgusting (ex)ideology to the Spanish Inquisition instead, or the Conquistadors, or anything else. It matters little to me. I see no reason to differentiate between one form of fecal matter and another, shit is shit.


So you're basically saying that the only way to be a good Muslim is to fucking ignore the precepts of the Koran (one of which, a significant one, is ISLAMIC LAW).

You're fucking retarded.

Saying it obnoxiously doesn't make it any less true
So … how can their conquests be Quranic in nature if they are directly opposed to Islamic warfare laws?
Exactly, Islamic law isn't as cruel as the meme ideology that ISIS is applying that you retards refer to, but it's still not appropriate for 21st century, I don't mind people being muslims as long as they don't shove their law down my throat, I mean I don't know if you've noticed, but liberalism is pretty much taking over muslims in the west, I doubt a woman wearing a scarf in the colors of the LGBT community is someone that would blow up killing children

I meant to quote for the last paragraph this

It's like when Hoxhaists call everyone a revisionist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence
There are strict sharia laws for warfare, which ISIS pretty much broke half, if not all of it's laws, which part of what I said is revisionism?

Western imperialism is a convenient scapegoat for a shitty ideology like Islam. Muslims were killing, raping and pillaging long before the West ever came knocking, because QURANIC PRECEPTS DEMAND JUST THAT OF MUSLIMS.

They're still obeying Quranic precepts for the extermination of nonbelievers and they have probably decided that the warfare laws take a back seat to killing the infidel, because when the fuck have a bunch of religious zealots ever actually let their religion's precepts actually GET IN THE WAY of being brutish thugs and murderers of people they don't like?

I don't think Hoxha is saying robbing banks is inherently bad only that terrorism is a bourgeois tactic and that there's a difference between terrorism and illegal/militant party work:marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/marxist-leninist.htm

Also, Furr argues there's no evidence that Stalin actually carried out that bank robbery though it has passed into mythology. I don't think he thinks it would be a bad thing if he did either

Killing the infidels is a meme, the Quran only allows you to kill "infidels" in case of self-defense and fending off aggression, non believers were always allowed to live under the caliphate, but they had to pay a jizya (Tax)

the amount of ideology from your post is really unsettling, the only one looking for a scapegoat here is you, I know easy answers are tempting, but not everything is answered by "muh mudslimes and muh quran", this is not Holla Forums, if you're unable to have a critical discussion on geopolitics and socioeconomic effects then this is probably not a place for you

So… Islam isn't the problem then? If they were going to be extremists killing people they don't like anyway seems like that itself is the problem, not the flag they do the killing under.

Now who's the essentialist?
Apparently that's okay though if you're agreeing with leftypol…

I do love when a socialist calls another person incompetent.
It is just so tragically humorous.

With good reason.
Id-pol is a cancer that poisons movements and ultimately only furthers the interests of those currently in power.

Utter hostility to all forms of id-pol is the only stance that anyone truly concerned with changing the status quo can logically take.

All forms of identitarianism are bad you fucking retard.
The only difference between black and white nationalism is what side of the political spectrum they have associated themselves with.

We should be looking to abandon and move pass a race based view of the world.
Any form of identitarianism, regardless of how it is dressed is inherently negative.

Black nationalists are just as bad as any white nationalist and deserve the very same horrid fate.

Yes you are, you fucking dishonest shit stain.
You are defending that assholes horrid, id-pol views.
By extension you are validating his racial identity politics.

None of that is in any why relevant to the core issue of black nationalism being id-pol, you fucking post-modernist, subjectivist, red fuckwit.
Black and white nationalism are both 100% of the time id-pol, regardless of any 'context'.

Absolutely.
Hell I will do it again; he is a fucking dumb nigger.
We are on a imageboard, friendo.
If you want a safe space where 'naughty words' are banned, fuck off back to reddit.

The fact that that of you would even take that as a racial comment on this board of all places just shows that both you and him are the sort of snowflakes that belong on reddit.

That asshole was a black racist that attempted to disguise his attempt to push id-pol on this board behind the language of Marxism, just like the scum on r/socialism.

I utterly hate id-pol, racists, subjectivists and those that would attempt to subvert this board.
He fell into all of those categories.

Oh I bet it does.
Right now I'm just trying to work out if you lot are from some sjw subreddit or ironmarch.
Both groups that have attempted similar such trojan horse tactics here in the past.

Also, hostility to racial nationalists is the only sane approach to take.
Assuming violence is off the table.

We are on an imageboard.
Slurs are a part of imageboard culture.
You are a thin-skinned, stupid faggot if you believe that either there was any sort of racial element behind that, or that I should not be able to use such words because of what his skin colour presumably is.

I don't think it's of anything like weakness. It's a religious thing, they hate all thats different and anything that wants to change them. This is something that may work but honestly the only way is to do this over on the middle east. Terrorist attacks won't stop even if you pacify every muslim in the west or in europe, nor will it stop if you combine it with closed borders, it'll just mean they'll sneak inside and do it again and again. The only way to stop this problem is promote a revolution in the middle east, one that aims to stop these terrorists and their ways. It's possible that it can also be used as a way to change islam into a newer different type of religion, they won't just drop the religion but the first step is to start a revolution that steers them away from killing and making women into property, etc.

WELL IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE THAT MEME, YOU RETARDED FAGGOT.

Eat shit, apologist. No amount of "NO U, U R TEH IDEOLOGICALLY DRIVEN ONE" is going to make you less of an apologist.

Islam (barring the Ahmadis, perhaps) is bereft of any fucking redeeming qualities outside of the Bronze Age arena it was brought about in.


Islam is A problem, not THE problem. It's probably the most RELEVANT problem (at least on the religious zealotry front) in this day and age, because Islam has demonstrated that rather than adapt to a world that threatens to leave it behind, it would rather play the reactionary and drag every last one of us back to the Bronze Age from whence it came. Again, the only Muslims I have ever seen that have mounted a meaningful challenge to the "kill infidels meme" as the ex-muslim puts it are the Ahmadis, and the Ahmadis are persecuted by other Muslims nearly everywhere they go.

there are leftist infighting all the time here, this is not essentialism, only a prerequisite, or is having a political discussion instead of baseless assumptions and false statements too much to ask from someone who is posting on a political board?

Islam is A Problem that can easily be addressed by repatriation of Muslims immigrants, to their home countries, de-Islamization as state policy, and internment of terrorist sympathizers. No one would protest this being done for Christian or Jewish reactionaries, but once people on the other side of the anti-imperialism line are involved, this becomes a moral horror, of course. Holla Forums never met a reactionary movement on the other side of the anti-imperialist line it wasn't ready to make excuses for or refuse to offer a solution short of blaming AmeriKKKa (as if this will accomplish anything)

now who's fault might that be? hmmm…

I'm only suggesting a place that might conform to your comprehension abilities

I would, actually. If they don't have the nationality of another country. Our terrorism and extremism is a second and third gen problem, so no foreign nationality to deport to, so deportation solves nothing, does not address the actual security situation. All for establishing a State Islam that can be controlled and imprisoning security risks, but your view of the actual situation seems to be extremely distorted by rightist propaganda.

If you are in a hole, stop digging.

Oh here we go again
Excuses, excuses, as to be expected from an apologist.

Islam has always been a brutal, backwards ideology (like any other Abrahamic, really) and its propensity for turning out crazed xenophobic, homophobic, everything-phobic killing machines is a FEATURE, not a BUG. Islam is rotten to the core and the only group of Muslims that ever did anything meaningful to address its homicidal propensities are the Ahmadis, a widely-persecuted group of heretics from Muslim orthodoxy.

Kill yourself.


The irony here is so thick I can just barely cut it with a hacksaw.


Except you've proven exactly jack and shit (and it looks like Jack skipped town). Try again, apologist.

Current migration approach should change, to be sure. But that will do nothing for terrorism today. So a bit of a distraction to focus on it first. Stop digging, but even before that, prevent future attacks and be smart about it.

I absolutely would protest this treatment of other religious zealots. It doesn't matter whether or not they deserve it–it accomplishes nothing and necessitates societal oppression by the state apparatus of the ruling class.

Religion is an opiate of the masses, an expression of material conditions and how humans respond to them. To treat religion as any different from other human thinking is to concede that religion is as magical as it says it is.

See flair.

I never said that, I was pointing out that this "islam teaches you to kill the infidels" meme stems from reactionaries and Holla Forums in general, but funnily enough there is some truth to that statement, and of course Islam is a backwards ideology, I've never claimed it isn't, I am very critical of it in my posts on this thread

No irony here, your reasoning of geopolitics is 5 years old baby-tier, it's no different from stormfags who blame "muh jewish anuddah shoah" for white girls not wanting to fuck them
Except I have, you've backpedaled on your statements about islam promoting terrorism into "they just ignore islamic laws hurr durr", you're nothing but an ideologue, stop posting and go read a fucking book

I meant to write jewish w hite gen ocide, I guess Holla Forumsyps have really spammed this shit here for it to be removed

So much jihadsplaining itt smh

BE A MAN
PARK THAT VAN

Snackbars should be killed, obvs. But there's no excuse for intellectual dishonesty.

gb2reddit


That's exactly what you fucking implied, and then you go and imply it again with

IT'S IN THE FUCKING QURAN YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD


HAHAHAHA that's actually a mildly funny wordfilter. In any event:
Muslims were killing, raping and pillaging before the West ever showed up, they continue to kill, rape and pillage after the West showed up, and they'll kill, rape and pillage for as long as they exist.


I said they ignore SPECIFIC islamic laws, you mendacious little cocksucker. They love the parts of the Quran that command them to kill the infidel, as clearly evidenced by their propensity for fucking doing so.

There is so much overwhelming evidence that disproves your theory on the fact that the Black Panthers and Black Power Movement are based on idpol. Let me know how the next KKK meeting goes because you are so spooked about black people I wonder you had a bad childhood experience and let it ruin your views forever. Did you get beaten up? Did you get beaten in a sport? Perhaps you lost in a singing or dance contest? Is there something you want to get off your chest about black people? I love how spooked you are. You are so full of the idpol you hate that you probably don't even realize what you are even saying. You may want to take a breather and realize what you are saying.

I am willing to listen to what you have to say but the moment you started typing nigger. Afroplasm won because you stopped trying to prove your point.

Fuck off tripfag.

Assumptions

History shows otherwise, the middle east was electing secular governments before the west showed up, had it not been for the U.S literally every middle east country would be secular by now.

No it's not, killing infidels is only done under self-defense and war time, see the wikipedia link I provided above


no such parts in the Quran, or are you gonna backpedal even more and tell me "they just ignore the self defense part hurr durr", that is the equivalent of saying a country is invading another one under it's self defense law while ignoring the fact that the other country did not attack it at all, or in otherwise, Olympics tier mental gymnastics

Are bonglanders dumb enough to fall for this?

All of them.
All?
All.

Yes, they are.

Absolutely.

The kike controlled United Kaliphate will use more stringent internet control to go after indigenous white British saying mean things on the internet and the Islamic invaders will continue to kill and maim and terrorize unabated.

choke on cock and keep being wrong about everything, Howard.

this is a bot, it's gotta be

So what would you're response be to the Oklahoma Bombing? Is that not a native killing their own people to cause widspread panic? Or was he just a 10th generation immigrant who needed to be sent back to europe?

Jews are responsible for hate. Before Jews there was no hate. Then Jews appeared and they were so bad that everyone had to invent a new emotion that was suitable to something as horrible as Jews.

Hmm replace hate with muslim terrorism and jews with European imperialists and suddenly this post starts to look very familiar…:^)

No, you absolute fucking shitheel, OBSERVATIONS OF FACT, that is exactly what you fucking did.


You dishonest sack of crap.


Gee it's a good thing the Muslims don't view themselves as being at perpetual war with the infidel OH WAIT.

Neck yourself you slimy worm.

lel

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fuck yourself

L I T E R A L L Y nothing wrong with racial nationalism, mate.

They're not, saying the BPP was idpol is just generic Holla Forums overuse of the word.

You are consistently the most retarded person on this board. Why don't you go out and fight your holy crusade on your own and leave the rest of us out of it.

If your plan can be defeated by eating a piece of bacon and saying "i'm not muslim lol" then you're a fucking retard

Deportations and confiscation of their property if they agree to leave peacefully.

A mass grave if not.

I agree fully, my friend.

Did you all realise you'd be first for the chop or what?

If you thought Holla Forums supported any religion then you just got lost on your way to /liberalpol/. Now sod off

Holla Forums never "liked" islam, it's just islamophobia is constantly used as a scapegoat by alt-right faggots so they can justify their same exact behavior but with a slightly different flavor of offbrand judaism.

Jesus did I hit a nerve in you or something white boy? Anyway, once again, in a long sad history of shit tripfags, you have to be at least top five. You have somehow managed to take up half my screen with your insufferably long, reddit spaced, shit post, yet you have added little of value you ignorant mentally challenged cuck. You do nothing but fling shit at me, and call me all the buzzwords in your sparse, pathetic, vocabulary, and make the ridiculous claim that he is somehow being the racist one because your sensible little fefe's are to triggered to deal with a brother on this board. You could have argued that most black power causes devolve into retarded black nationalist causes, and that if left unchecked this is a possibility for all identitarian causes; I would probably have agreed with you, but you couldn't even do this, because all you are good for is being the fucking laughing stock of this board. The only """"""argument""""""""" you tried to make is that some how Afroplasm is some retarded "New Israelite" black racist fag, but he's clearly not.
You constantly call me the thin skinned one, then get all defensive when someone points out what a fucking joker you are. I don't care if you call Afroplasm a nigger, or if you where to call and Asian a "gook", or if you were to call a fag a fag. Im trying to point out to you that if you do this you might push people to start to identify with the label "nigger" and feel separate from the rest of the board, but you are too much a sperg to get the picture.

Any way, you straw-man me and Afroplasm's position, you try to retort by throwing cheap insults and dumb comparisons, and your only contribution to this board is being an ignorant, authoritarian larping,
pseud-intellectual faggot. I honestly appreciated tripfags like Hoochi or Rebel more then you.

You're such a fucking little bitch, holy shit.

Which is extra hilarious given that Howard is a brazen Zionist apologist

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you filthy coon nigger, go jump into a retention pond

Behold the non-arguments of the terminally assblasted

this is leftypol bro