What did the soviets do in Afghanistan, and why did 2 million civilians die? Were the Mujahideen justified? FYI: there were numerous maoist organizations fighting against the soviets.
What did the soviets do in Afghanistan, and why did 2 million civilians die? Were the Mujahideen justified...
Tyler Watson
Hunter Bell
Hafizullah Amin didn't do anything wrong; the land owners deserved it.
Ryan Fisher
There's only one side of that conflict I support
Joshua Lopez
What a reactionary piece of shit you are. The democratically elected socialist government started modernizing the country, giving BASIC rights to women, alphabetization, expropriation and nationalization of the MoP, then the fucking reactionary islamists start revolting as you would expect. The governments calls for help from the USSR and it is granted. The USSR controls all the major cities but the islamists keep being reactionary retards on the montains and despite killing tons of them they can't manage to wipe them out (also because they get foreign help from USA) and so the soviets bail out (which, imho, they shouldn't have).
Idk about the mautists but China was already not that much of socialist anymore.
Joseph Gomez
Of all the things people talk about as bad from USSR, they never talk about this. Which is in my opinion the only thing they did bad.
USSR had no bussiness in Afghanistan.
Bentley Williams
But the soviets killed the President of Afghanistan, poisoned wells, and laid hundreds of thousands of mines.
Evan Diaz
get the fuck out
Owen Smith
name one thing wrong with him
protip: you can't.
Josiah Wood
Reply to a request of the legitimate government.
Because the Pakistani ISI used Saudi and American funding to stir up trouble and cause conflict.
No, foreign puppets of Pakistan.
Joshua Young
Exact same thing the US did in 'Nam only on a much smaller scale.
Soviets installed a puppet government, got all pissy because the people wouldn't make nice with said puppet government, came in as a blatant act of aggression, and killed a whole bunch of civilians before getting their asses kicked by foreign-backed guerillas scampering off with their tails between their legs.
Caleb Bell
*and scampering off
Robert Jenkins
The Soviets were in Afghanistan before the puppet goverment, the USSR installed a puppet goverment because they thought a less radical goverment would reduce insurgency.
Benjamin Thomas
No, no, the Saur coup happened before the Soviets went in.
Brayden Carter
The original coup wasn't even funded by the USSR
They made a puppet after the initial invasion because the President had the urge to purge and the Soviets thought a moderate leader would reduce muj activity
Jaxson Wright
That the USSR was against thus why they assassinated Daoud
Wyatt Rodriguez
Ah, my bad, I got my history fucked up.
In any case, the full-scale military invasion didn't come until AFTER they'd installed the puppet regime.
Austin Allen
I think you mean to say that the US did it on a larger-scale since Harvard Medical School concluded that the US caused 3.8 million violent war deaths. No one has even attempted to calculate how many people died from agent orange, starvation, lingering wounds, and just general social misery caused by the occupation. Few Americans are even aware that the South Vietnamese ran a hellish gulag (with American complicity) that incarcerated at least 700,000 Vietnamese under conditions of starvation and torture and we're not even touching the relocation camps. Check out Nick Turse's book Kill Anything That Moves using top secret military documents he shows that the US military only investigated war crimes in vietnam in order to cover it up and the evidence we now have available shows it was ubiquitous.
gen.lib.rus.ec
The imperialist tradition continues with PSR showing that the best even-handed guess of War on Terror deaths we have is 1.3 million: psr.org
Former British ambassador to Russia Rodric Braithwaite argues that 600,000 is probably a more reasonable and academically grounded number and that 2 million is probably too high.
In any case, I don't make any apologies, the USSR had become a social-imperialist super-power by the 80s where capitalism was restored and was increasingly lurching towards open capitalism.
revolutionarydemocracy.org
Neither side was particularly good in that conflict but its clear the Soviets were the aggressors. Brezhnev fucked up hard by getting into that conflict and the resulting dissolution made it easier for the more liberal sections of the ruling class to restore capitalism openly like in 1989. I think the fact that the Soviet Empire collapsed after Afghanistan shows it was a weaker imperialist then the US and in an odd way you might say the Soviet people retained some conscious that might create disillusionment. The US population seems so far unphased by all the terrible wars and disasters caused by their own government,or it seems they are even less knowledgable about them then the Soviet people were. Which makes you really question the "land of the free" bit.
Adam Thompson
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Sorry if I wasn't being clear.
Colton Cook
nah you were he just misread what you wrote
Anthony Taylor
there is some doc that talks about afghanistan. hypernormalization maybe? the USSR was a dead man walking before the war and its own internal contradictions were too far along
Kayden Howard
"Were the Mujahideen justified?” Islamists are NEVER justified.
Julian Torres
I remember it appearing in that documentary but I'm can't remember if it was a major feature.
But you have to understand that this wasn't at all obvious to people living at the time. The USSR had much faster economic growth then the West all the way up to the 70s even though the Khruschevian Thaw and decentralization of planning created major economic contradictions and irregularities. Soviet spheres of influence were actually expanding in Africa during the 80s and they retained their other spheres of influence ably enough.
The War accelerated those internal contradictions beyond what most skeptics in the USSR thought possible. Even the CIA was surprised by how quick and easily the Soviet Union fell. The Sino-American alliance dealt the Soviets the biggest Cold War blow imo it allowed the US economy to expand more rapidly then had occurred in the 70s and made it more influential, they no longer dealt with the Americans from a position of strength. And there was only so much military strength could do as shown by the result of the Afghan War.
Ryder Scott
*all the way up to the 80s and even in the 80s it was fairly respectable until the latter portion of the decade.
Elijah Thompson
Tho said "President" seized power in a coup from the Monarchy & proclaimed himself the ruler.