Where were you when you realised Hitchens got btfo by a gender bending babe?

definite Marxist of some form, not a big fan of mr sparrow killer but that quote is dope

also little yt bois love Hitchens for some reason

I watched a video of him once, but she stole a lot of his shtick from Red Letter Media without crediting them, so I stopped watching her.

I mean are you really gonna get pissy about IP?

never watched RLM but what did contra steal exactly?

POV camera focus on hands fumbling things while speaking in a slurred voice.

Probably was just looking for an excuse not to watch, found it all a bit too burlesque.

kek, I was thinking the same thing

Nope.

He's not even a socialist. Why do we care?

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he quotes Mao in this video, p sure they are a Marxist, reminder Marx would have been a SJW for his time

Contra's done hangouts with socialists and is definitely open to being radicalized.

Well we have to examine where the term SJW comes from, what it means, who uses it, and what it means in reality outside of memes, because if you talk about "SJWs" seriously you really don't deserve to talk about politics.

lol no

imagine if Marx came out with his complex economic theory at this point in time, can you imagine all the reactionaries on YouTube not calling him a SJW because he wants the labourer to not be exploited, hell the idea that workers are exploited by their bosses is something that these reactionaries dispute. Face it, Marx is a SJW

They're only getting better fam. Though I'll admit this one was a little flat.

I DM'ed contra once and he ignored me so I now I hate her.

bless u, u wanna hug it out?

I actually would.

get ur dick out then boi

Shit-tier

I'm sure he's aware of socialism, but he's an intersectionalist faggot. It's not that he doesn't know. He simply disagrees with us.

He buys into intersectionalism and thinks this is a good philosophical starting point. He basically puts non-material forms of "oppression" on par with measurable and material forms of exploitation. This is unacceptable to an actual Marxist.

pix pls

I remember seeing a tweet of his that said something like "My radical friends think I'm a naive liberal, but really I'm just a pessimistic socialist." So he might not be that far from becoming radical

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alright

One of you is being tedious and divisive and I suggest not attempting to sabotage working class unity.

You really, sincerely have no place to be saying the things you're saying. "Intersectionalism" isn't a fucking thing.

Contra's video on Ferguson protests suggests the opposite. He argued that systemic racism was a result of class.

Why don't you address that he buys into the idea that there are various forms of oppression, which completely ignores the material basis on which Marxist ideas are founded? Oh, you can't? Best critique my spelling, then. So now, are you going to try to defend intersectionality or are were you just trying to be a pedant?

OP here, just here to tell u that you are an actual fuckwit. Intersectional theory can be applied as a supplement to anti-capitalist discourse to further understand how our social structures feed into the Capitalist hegemony, To put it in a simple way you will understand the feels have a bearing on the reals, Disabled people are materially disadvantaged by society due to their social status and ability to produce capital for the bosses, Trans people are statistically likely to be poor due to societal attitudes towards them and therefore are WC. What we need to do is take intersectionality away from the Liberals (where it doesnt really belong considering its roots) and apply it to anti-capitalist discourse

Intersectionality can't be saved. It's cancer and always has been. This is what gave birth to the "progressive stack", and it's where we have millionaire teens complaining that trailer park boys are oppressing them because of muh race. Go fuck yourself.

Is they're any chance you're contra, OP?

I won't get mad for shilling all the ecelebs do it.

Please don't lie. You thought it was an entirely different word and you were making accusations like you actually understand and aren't just buying into fear-mongering nonsense.

wew, this is pretty wrong. I'd say capitalism and feudalism are different forms of oppression, and racism and sexism are different things as well, and they're all connected because everything is connected.

You're essentially calling non-sectarianism cancer.

nah, just a queer af boi that really likes the discourse and thinks Contra can definitely be radicalised (if they already aren't)

Even if I thought it was a different word. Does it change the fact that I understand the concept and still dislike it? No, it doesn't. Are you going to attack the actual argument or can we just assume you're a faggot pedant?

No, they are all thoughts, ideas. Racism can end as soon as someone stops being racist. However intersectionality doesn't take that into account, because being non-white is by default oppression, and so is being a woman. It doesn't end when ideas are changed. So no, they're not connected and they're not real like material conditions are. This is what gave ground to identity politics and it needs to die.

I'd love to see another commie youtuber properly bring him over to Marxism, her videos could lengths to spreading class consciousness - they've already red pilled loads of people on social issues, just need some economics now. He's running out of social issues to talk about as well I'd say - name a topic she hasn't covered under the SJW umbrella.

Idk who'd be able to talk to him though, she seems friends with hbomb and that's it from the leftist community, and he's not even hugely open about his Marxism.

ah so this is the reasonable debate you wanted, fair enough, might do you some good to read though
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberlé_Williams_Crenshaw
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combahee_River_Collective
libcom.org/files/Insurrections at the intersections feminism, intersectionality and anarchism - Abbey Volcano and J Rogue.pdf

I bet you also think the Black Panthers were bad too huh

I only read that phrase in Sargon's fat smeared voice that gurgles out of his cheeto covered mouth

Liberals aren't part of the socialist movment, so it isn't sectarianism to purge them. Intersectionality is a liberal idea, and so it must be purged. If you like your idpol, then congratulations, may you find happiness inside the noose.

oh I agree, I am not a Marxist I am an AnCom but I like to talk Marxism too as I think its analysis on Capital is interesting if not always on point (Bakunin, the disgusting oaf that he was, made a pretty good point about the lumpen that Marx got quite wrong imo) but yeah, all the Leftypol yt crowd seem too awkward and cringey to talk to real people

Yes. If you don't even know what the word is, odds are you don't have a very fucking deep education on the subject.
They haven't stopped though, and the effects it has are demonstrable.
Yes it does, how ignorant.
XD ebin
I'll wait for source on someone important claiming this.
Material things are connected to other material things they interact with, I'm sorry if that triggers you!

Ignorance.

intersectionality is clearly the remedy to the divide porky uses to cut up the WC, if u can't see this u are too dumb to talk to

You might want to make an argument instead of just posting links.

I disagree with the white separatist part of what they were doing, and had it continued, they would have to be purged. Malcom X, on the other hand, eventually stopped saying "fuck da crackas" and that's when they iced him, so yeah, I consider that a bad thing. Like most "revolutionary" movements of the era, the Black Panthers were doomed to fail and their focus on race did not help one bit. Only a movement of all workers united with one common purpose can bring an end to capitalism, and only that can bring an end to the power of racism, sexism, or other *isms. Concentrating on these things before we focus on material conditions is detrimental. We've seen this shit swallow our movements in the past, and here we have faggots defending it just because they think it might be nice to. Well, I'm tired of losing. I want to win, and intersectionality must die first. All idpol must die and their adherents with it.

I'd say in terms of talking to people out of leftypol ecelebs, muke would probably be the best bet, but I get what you mean, someone like badmouse would probably be better. There's hardly a large selection to chose from in first place though.

jesus wept

Well good luck with that.
Anyways it's not about fixing these things before we fix capitalism, it's about fixing both simultaneously. You can't just put off fixing the problems you don't care about forever.

also people like fuckwit above don't really inspire people talking about how the BP were "idpol" so yeah, maybe go full posadist and destroy the world might be better

Except you haven't been able to point out where I misunderstood what it is. In fact, you defended the concept I outlined as bad, so I must have got it right. Again, you're just being a faggot.
And they won't stop, so your only solution is to solve the material sources of inequality so that even if racism exists it will have lost its power. But nooo, we have to totally focus on race and have POC safe spaces you guise!
No it doesn't, how ignorant.
And I can just say I'll wait for someone important saying the opposite. Marx didn't talk about intersectionality? I guess it isn't important. See how I can appeal to authority too?
So you agree with me? Because beliefs on sex and gender aren't material things, you stupid fucking idiot. You just said that intersectionality took the changing of ideas into account, but now I guess you think that thoughts are real things. Gee, I wonder why you sound like such an SJW retard.

Yeah, it's such a remedy that it's ruined the image of the left as a bunch of faggots that only care about trannies and faggots but not actual working people. Totally working out just fine.

You can't, because they're not on the same level. One is real and the others aren't. One gives power to the others, so you have to fix that first. How retarded are you?

Nobody said that, but the fix is easy. If you don't like racism, then stop being a racist. If you don't like sexism, then stop being a sexist and refuse to support people like this. Of course, the socialist movement has been egalitarian since the beginning, but faggots like you want special treatment for subsets you care about. But maybe your desire to check your muh privilege is stronger than actually fixing anything.

"trannies and faggots" are part of the working class you turd, at this point I am convinced you are an alt-right sock puppet

Instead of fixing problems you choose to ignore them and get offended when people have some fucking self awareness and realize they are entirely capable of fixing problems?
Because as shocking as this may be to you, while building our structures of power we can build them to be better than before, instead of exactly the same.
So you're just making this up
lel, tfw asking for a source on your bullshit claims is appealing to authority
The actions caused by those beliefs effect the world around the people who hold those beliefs. The material conditions support racism but that's not the end of it, racism supports the material conditions as well.

LADDY DON'T TELL ME YOU THINK THOSE ARE REAL?
Also marx wasn't right about everything.

It's just Holla Forums being Holla Forums.
Workers of the world unite, unless you're a mudslime or a fucking tranny!

this is why it should be purged with nuclear hellfire tbqhf

Holla Forums is not Holla Forums you retard. We're politically incorrect but not racist.

I'd say about 60/70% of us aren't racist.

only liberals think racism and sexism are just bad opinions that can be changed.

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And that 40/30% are either nazbol fucktards or not leftists. Although I'd be hesitant to say nazbols are leftists.

Go ahead, unite with us. Or continue to whine about your solipsistic subjectivity.

as a queer dude I think ur a faggot friendo

Are you the same guy who assumed I was a girl and then started hurling sexist remarks at me, like, yesterday?

Not leftists is correct.

Such a small part of the working class that unless you are a tranny or gay, there's no reason to give a shit other than not being an asshole to them. How is this hard for you?

"just stop being transphobic/homophobic lol"
you sound like a Liberal mate

whenever someone on this board mentions trannies there's always 2 or 3 people who show up to be assholes to them for no reason.

tradworker.org/

go join this org comrade, sounds like you would fit right in

Yeah, you're an incessantly whiny shitposter who does nothing but derail threads into idpol. Fuck off and go back to reddit you dumb cunt.

okay how did a thread that derailed into dick pix derail again?

Every part of the working class is in some way or another a minority.

But I came here with the first Holla Forums exoduses, I'd go back to /anarcho/ but it's dead :^)

Correct. It's called organizing. Who knows, you might get something out of the bargain, like a guarantee of having your material needs met.

Show boipucci.

It's called hierarchy. You can organize without it.
You need some fucking mutual aid in your bp.

Lotta good non binary queer non hierarchical organizing has done for us so far.

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No, they're not. You are entirely incapable of fixing racism under capitalism. It will always have power because capital requires workers to be divided one way or another.
That's my point, you stupid fucking retard. You can do this without ever caring about intersectionality or muh privilege.
And so are you, I guess.
That was my point, you stupid idiot. If you're asking me for an "important person" whatever that means, then I can just cite that Marx never mentioned it, and you lose. So either make your own arguments or stop this bullshit "hurr important person" faggotry.
Because of capitalism! How hard is this for you to understand? Kill capitalism, and they stop having meaning.
No, it literally doesn't. You cannot get capitalism from racism, but racism or other divisive identity politics will always arise from capitalism.

They are indeed. This entire thread is about an SJW tranny that people think will totally agree with us any day now, and of course, you who thinks that intersectionality is at all valid.

Oh, so you're the one dumb fuck that has given the black flag the reputation of being retarded single handedly? Good job you whiny faggot, have fun preaching intersectionality at your next LGBTQ march with your radfem sisters, you moany fuck. You are the absolute worst of the gay community, kill yourself.

Anything not grounded in material reality is literally just an idea. If everyone stopped being racist today, racism would end. Of course, that isn't going to happen, so the best next option is to simply do away with the power it has because of capitalism.

and you don't see how capitalism perpetuates racism for its own ends?

Do you have a problem with those marginalized groups?
Do you have a problem with communism, a society which necessarily can not be filled with hierarchy?

Did I say I want to fix it under capitalism? I said I wanted to fix it simultaneously with capitalism. Not before. Not after. At the same time.
Being bourgeois is by literal definition muh privilege so you necessarily do care about that if you care about class war, I don't care if the word upsets your sensibilities, it's accurate.
You claimed something.
I asked for source.
You said no because that's an appeal to authority.
And yet this means I am the one making things up.
As in someone who wrote something ever, not just a random ten year old from twitter you would try to claim represents a school of thought.

implying that's what I fucking meant.
Racism supports class hierarchy and division within the working class. We can't unite if we're at each others throats. It's good for the capitalists that we are divided among those lines.

lel

You keep trying to fucking pinpoint exactly what I am fam, you'll find the right personal attacks to make, but I'm not gay.

You are the moronic faggot that is shitting up everywhere with liberal style idpol, I know this because there is no cunt as dumb as you and you've singled yourself out with the black flag, admitting before you're in a gay chat while the board was full of your retardation. I have no problem with LGBTQ people, I have a problem with the LGBTQ community because it's full of embarrassing cunts like yourself.

You can say that, but I like to say I'm against hierarchy, against idpol, and for a united working class that will build and defend their own alternative institutions of power, these institutions will be the seeds of the new world so they should be organized among similar lines, as to avoid perpetuating hierarchy and falling into the same traps as previous socialist attempts.

But yeah the path to revolution is in complaining about how people act in public because it's annoying :v)

And you'll never believe me but that's not my main discord account, it's an alt I use to check mutual servers with people.

Is this supposed to make me fold or something? I do have a problem with you, namely that you are proving to be a political liability.

Oh, so I was right guessing that you are that same user? So you're not gay, not a woman, just a whiny white guy with a complex who likes to drag idpol all over the place? I had to hide two threads because of the amount of faggotry you were peddling, I generally hide a thread once every couple of weeks. You're a liberal pest m8, you're a fucking tumour on this board and leftism in general. Fuck you and your intersectionalist COINTELPRO shit.

I'd say you're the divisive liability here.

senpai it's pretty blatant that you're the one who has fallen victim to subversion tactics, not me. I mostly post to attack subtle right wing biases.

watched some of the points on hate speech, it's bad. People making cringe compilations and nasty youtube comments isn't the same as contacting your workplace, harassing your family, assaults, putting you on blacklists within a line of work, harassing companies that provide you with services or charity drives for the people who assault someone.

Does the rest go on in similar vain?

Mao was the best we have ever had.

KILL. YOUR. SELF.

Rephrase this

You are
You are a white guy roleplaying. You are COINTELPRO. You are full of shit. You peddle idpol in every thread, and have never offered anything other than your typical pasty white reddit mod response to anything. You are a fucking white male, friendo, pretending to have some oppression points stashed away and playing the poor minority card (on behalf of somebody else) by never confirming a single thing about you besides giving negative answers. You're unremarkable and solely exist to drag this board down. You are a radical liberal.

Just like how you tried to insist I'm a woman and threw out sexist remarks to devalue my point yesterday, then started going on about how I'm the "worst kind of gay", now I'm a "larping white guy" even though you really have no fucking clue and are just continuing to guess until you get it right because all you have is attacking people's identity, that's all you've got to back up your Holla Forumsack nonsense.
Here's some good truth for you.
I'm from the start of this fucking board, and it's went down drastically in quality because the newfags like you who just fucking assume that as soon as they educate themselves on one tiny aspect of leftism they're suddenly hot shit and can never be wrong.

I am pretty sure that isn't the comparison made, the comparison made was more about how Right wing people claim words like Transphobe and Racist are silencing people from talking out but Racist and Sexist behaviors are not stopping minorities from speaking out, more about inconsistency from the right than anything else

In case you haven't noticed: Black flags are widely regarded as incredibly fucking stupid, and have been for a long time. You are the longest posting black flag. You are fucking stupid, you've always been stupid, just because you've been here, being the dumbest fuck, for the longest, doesn't impress me. You are every shit feminist, asshole queer activist and whiny Carl the Cuck rolled into one. You are a class act toxic sack of shit for the left. You need to fuck off and retire from politics because you're a cancerous little twat.

you sound mad, r u ok?

Unless those people are denying them a job, housing or other material thing, it's not even a problem. Even under socialism people are going to be assholes to you for shit you can't control. Grow a thicker skin.

Kill yourself.

these people do get denied material things on the basis of their identity you fucking tool

I do, which is why I attack capitalism instead of racism, which will be a problem as long as capitalism exists.

why not both at the same time?

I'm very much okay, I just want the black flag to fuck off and sometimes it's worth the effort in the long term.

racism existed before Capitalism, unless steps are taken it will also exist after Capitalism

I was red/black for the vast majority of that time :^^^^)

Enjoy not having your revolution because certain parts of the revolution offend you.

You are the worst fam.

if you wanna read something that mind help you gain some perspective I would recommend this

amazon.co.uk/Wages-Whiteness-American-Haymarket-Paperback/dp/1844671453

Pardon?

not paying attention you hippy dippy western liberal faggot, hitchens was entertaining and occasionally made some good point but ultimately he was pretty irrelevant to the present paradigm, also a raging drunkard and possibly co-opted at the end there or just sublimely naive

You can't, and it doesn't matter after capitalism ends anyway, since that's when it loses its power.
You're confusing power with muh privilege, and muh privilege as defined by intersectionalist faggots like yourself is a meaningless concept that blames people for others' supposed perception of them. Material conditions are material, not about perception. Kill yourself, faggot.
I made an assertion based on my reasoning, then you asked for source for me making that assertion as if it only mattered if someone "important" said it, whatever that means. That's an appeal to authority. Either put up or shut up. We get it, your SJW mind ran out of arguments.
Again, Marx didn't say shit about intersectionality so it doesn't real. There, he's "important" so you have to agree with me.
Only intersectional faggots are the ones that attack the movement because it doesn't talk about trannies and faggots enough. You are the problem, and you will be first against the wall.
Which is why your kind should be killed.

SJW are real, just like BLM being racist is real. Get over yourself, you redditard faggot.

i mean was the hippy dippy thing supposed to offend me?

"Labour cannot emancipate itself in the white skin where in the black it is branded." thats from Marx

And as soon as we do away with capitalism, that will stop, you fucking faggot. You cannot fix this without attacking capitalism first.

You can't. Only by doing away with capitalism do you take away their power. Racism will still exist, but it will have no material power.

Racism won't matter after capitalism because that's where its material power stems from. It will go away eventually because it's unnecessary. No, we can't just magically change everyone's minds at the time that we do away with capitalism.

I'm not the faggot that's offended because others won't play the idpol game.

I am an Anarchist and you sound Utopian right now kid

In the United States of North America, every independent movement of the workers was paralysed so long as slavery disfigured a part of the Republic. Labour cannot emancipate itself in the white skin where in the black it is branded.

Yeah, and slavery no longer exists. Slave society needs to die for the historical necessity of capitalism to come to pass. It has done so, and now we see ourselves trying to do away with capitalism.

nothing is preventing you from attacking capitalism and being nice to LGBT people at the same time.

So it's not utopian to expect everyone to become non-racist at the exact same time as we do away with capitalism? It's somehow less realistic to expect to do away with material conditions for capitalism and hope that racism will go away while making sure that it has no power because it is no longer tied to material reality? Really nigga?

but American Slavery existed in tandem with Capitalism you turd, it was literally used for accumulating Capital u fuckwit

This is false, it's not a symptom of capitalism it's a symptom of class structure. Which so called socialist revolutionaries often retain.
No I'm not. Power when held hierarchically and denied to others is muh privilege. Literally.
I would just like to point out that you still have given me no source even though I already defined "important" as in someone who wrote at least a booklet, and not someone from twitter. This makes it highly apparent you are merely making things up.
HEY GUYS MARX DIDN'T WRITE ANY BOOKS LEL
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No its about combating both the social ills of society at large using an anti-capitalistic framework of analysis and revolution, what the fuck man its like you have never encountered an argument with nuance, ur using a hammer to work with water. The Black Panthers were explicitly about Black liberation and self defense and worked with wc mixed organisations advocating for revolution and radical socialist change, who are you and why don't you read?

Nobody here is advocating for being mean to them. What I am saying is that you cannot force 100% of all workers to be nice to them before you decided that we can get rid of capitalism. I personally don't care, though I will use the word faggot because that's part of *chan culture. However, I won't make special concessions for you. If you complain about me misgendering you, I'll call you by your shit pronoun, but don't expect me to apologize or think that you're a fucking weirdo for doing so.

Doesn't matter. There are no slaves now and Marx wasn't talking about being totes anti-racist because newsflash: Marx was very racist. That doesn't mean his ideas aren't good or that they won't liberate blacks as well.

Tell me, which do you think is more important. That a black man, as a worker cannot feed himself and his family, or that someone called him a nigger? Or would someone calling him a nigger matter if he did not have to worry about starving to death or whoring himself to the capitalist class?

Socialism does away with class. Claiming that it doesn't is literally claiming that socialism isn't socialism. Kill yourself.
Not as defined by intersectionalists. Because if that's the case, then whiteness, maleness, and any other things that offend you aren't by themselves muh privilege and intersectionality is invalid. Pick one, nigger.
Okay, I wrote a booklet. Prove me wrong. See how important I am now?
You are a fucking retard.

Lenin purged you faggots for a reason. You will go up against the wall.

One is clearly more important but the other is still important. You're not going to foster solidarity by calling your comrades niggers or fucking weirdos. You're not going to have a successful revolution and change everything if you refuse to change certain things.

OH MY GOD right Racism came first, its old as shit starting well before Capitalism was a thing, Capitalism then used Racism to justify further exploitation of groups of people for Capital accumulation, you still following? HOWEVER if we say that this justification has left no residual effects upon the white population and the black population at large, informing their biases and behavior, if we use the MARXIST methodology of base and superstructure we KNOW that this will have a knock on effect of one on the other. Do you understand?

Racism will stop mattering after capitalism, nigger. The only reason it makes a difference now is because it can be tied to material conditions, but that won't be the case after capitalism. Unless you want to lobotomize everyone, some kind of discrimination based on shit you can do nothing about will always exist. You cannot make everyone into an SJW faggot like yourself.

I am an Anarchist, I know more about Marx than you you fucking Larping little cumstain

All state socialist projects have resulted in capitalism. They have retained the class structure and private property. You are tankie supreme.
Yet you assume I am one, this means from your perspective you are telling me how I define things?

Keep lying faggot, god how pathetic. It's not about attacking white people you crybaby.

WEW

Only if you end up in socialism, which you won't fucking get by perpetuating hierarchies you stupid fucking cock sucker.

What explicitly do you want to do? Because so far you are just talking in platitudes. What exactly do you want? Do you want blacks and whites working together or do you want them separate?
They were wrong to focus on black liberation when they could have united for liberation for all. Focusing on race allowed their enemies to also focus on race and once again divide the working class. Instead of looking at their common goals, they were divided on petty issues like race. This is why these movements fail.

You're not my comrade. You're a saboteur shill and you will be hanged for it when the time comes. You people are a cancer in any socialist movement. You deserve no less than being worked to death.

the movement failed because of COINTELPRO u muppet what are you chatting

you have a complete meme-tier understanding of what the panthers were and what they stood for.

To explain further.

THIS CONCEPT IS MADE UP. WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT INHERENTLY EVIL BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE. ONLY WHITE PEOPLE WITH A VICTIM COMPLEX HAVE BEEN PUSHING THAT IN THIS THREAD

Oh, hi, I didn't see you there /ggrevolt/.

Not made up, false, an intentional misrepresentation.

None of it matters after capitalism. Or do you not want socialism if someone calls someone else a nigger? We care about material realities. Racism is going away right now under capitalism because idpol has become valuable. I don't care if some redneck in Alabama still doesn't want any darkies in his house. I only care that he becomes a socialist.

honestly mate? I think ur an alt-right sock puppet or a cop, there is literally no way you can convince me you are not one of those on a new COINTELPRO mission

You can't get past capitalism with a disunited working class that's divided among racial/gender/national/whatever else lines.

He already said that he's a "cynical socialist" on twitter

not necessarily but its accurate and also fun to type and say in my head

Wasn't that a HowTo Basic reference?

Yeah, sure was COINTELPRO

And you have an idealistic one. Do you deny that they were Black Nationalists? Do you deny that they openly talked racist shit about white workers and not only about white capitalists? Do you deny that separating themselves based on race made it easy to target them for race and not their socialist tendencies? Gee, it sure is just a meme that they were fucking retarded.

do u have a daddy fetish? Always wondered if nazbols did and thats why they are nazbols

So wait, the guy that is telling you to not give a shit about race and simply unite with things you have in common is a cop or COINTELPRO, but the faggot that keeps pushing idpol and intersectionality is on point, even though he ruins every single fucking thread he posts in. Even though, he won't drop the SJW shit and constantly whines about race and gender, even though he admitted ITT that he's white and male. You're going to listen to the guy that wants to divide you over the guy that wants to unite you. Nice job.

You're the one that keeps advocating focusing on race, not me. Intersectionality is what ruined OWS, it's what's ruining the left, and you will be stopped.

yes because they never did that. Hampton was in the process of trying to organize more white workers to join them when he was murdered.

No you retard

panthers were a lot smarter and more advanced than most people give them credit for, the guys arguments you are responding to apply a lot more to BLM and fo sho the NBPP retards than they do to the OG panthers

a "white nationalist" taught me my first stuff about the panthers, shit you not. Heres a little question, lets see if anyone can answer it:

kek

They did. Do you know literally nothing about them other than their name?

Hitchens wrote an excellent book called "The Trial of Henry Kissinger", giving an excellent condemnation of the international war criminal.
He's also attacked the Clintons, exposing their corruption and hypocrisy, in such works as "No one left to lie to".
Hitchens has exposed Mother Theresa as a reactionary hypocrite, attacked the British Royal Family, the Saudi Royal family.
He even fucking defended Marx in an essay, even defending his record as a journalist.

It seems that most of Holla Forums has never read Hitchens and have this Christian butthurt reaction to everything he says.

Hitchens is far superior to Harris.
I doubt most of you have ever read Hitchens essays on culture, to him talking about Africa's most benevolent dictatorship, American corruption, how North Korea is a racist dictatorship, praising Che Guvera.

No I'm not, I'm advocating that we abolish all hierarchy and you insist "except racial hierarchy"

I have read Hitchens and i think he's an average intellect whose really good at speaking/debating but whose ideas have little substance.
The Trial of Henry Kissinger was a good book but he's hardly the first person to condemn the man.

Did the Black Panthers just give up on teaching their kids their beliefs or something? That entire mindset seemed to just completely die since then. Guess the hyper capitalism of the 80s tricked everyone lol

My left nutsack is far superior to Harris. This is a meaningless criterion to clear. As for Hitchens, he had a good streak but I can only conclude that 9/11 broke his mind

do you want to suck my dick nigger, what kind of a weird ass question is that, what made you infer such a thing

Hard to teach anything when you get gunned down by the feds. Only the retards who never posed a threat in the first place were left alone

If you ignore how important atheism was to the dude as well as the fact that Britain back then was still in the midst of the endless refuge tide it's not a surprise the guy became such a reactionary. He clearly saw how muslims would not integrate and then would lash out at their hosts creating a broken society like most of Europe has clearly accepted as the status quo.

Not really sure what bombing some muslims was meant to do to combat that but maybe he really did believe the retarded give democracy to the sandniggers meme lmfao

But that's exactly my point. You can't sell yourself as "rational" and fall for the fucking bush era memes that kids in middle school could see through at the time. There are actual, proud racists who still call things like the Iraq war and Israel/Palestine correctly without getting emotional about it he has no fucking excuse.

kill all liberals

Black Nationalism. Immediatly excludes all non-black workers, and is therefore not socialist. If this is okay, then NazBols are okay.
Again, to the exclusion of all others. This is also advocating for continued capitalist mode of production.
Again, to exclusion of all others.
Cool, but I'm guessing not for all people.
But only black men, not the dissolution of the state, no.
But only of black people. The mention of a specific excludes the general. Remember this.
Yes, even rapists and killers. But non-black men and women stuck in prisons for shit crimes can stay, I guess.
So bourgeois democracy is okay as long as it has a black face.
But only for blacks.

Of course, that's ignoring the fact that these faggots preyed on their own communities among other criminal activities.

He wasn't a founder of that party and he came up with retarded shit like "womanism", aka more idpol. It seems once you start eating idpol garbage, you just can't stop.

I guess you think Bernie is a socialist too.

can someone post that fuck off huge article takedown by some dumb twitterfag who did another one about the guy the incredibly autistic postmodern book tia

The shit it arose as a response to wasnt any better, doesnt make it any good.

you're either being extremely autistic right now or you're misinterpreting the Panthers positions on purpose. A list of demands cannot accurately sum up the entire movement or their later activism.

Except I said that you can't simply abolish that shit because its power comes from capitalism. You can't simply convince everyone to not be racist before doing away with capitalism. Racism may always exist, but what we intend is to take away its power. You seem to think this means that I'm in favor of implementing white supremacist socialism or something stupid like that, you stupid nigger.

no one itt is arguing that.

ContraPoints is better than Muke imo

Okay. Let's try it another way.
We want freedom. We want power to determine the destiny of our White Community.
We want full employment for our people.
We want an end to the robbery by the Capitalists of our White Community.
We want decent housing, fit for shelter of human beings.
We want education for our people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in the present day society.
We want all White men to be exempt from military service.
We want an immediate end to POLICE BRUTALITY and MURDER of White people.
We want freedom for all White men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails.
We want all White people when brought to trial to be tried in court by a jury of their peer group or people from their White Communities, as defined by the Constitution of the United States.
We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace.

Seems like typical white nationalist shit to me. Why is it any different because blacks do it?

there was a coordinated, multifaceted campaign to demoralize the american negro, part of it was cultural and consisted of undermining the "harlem renaissance" and co-opting up and coming movements/happenings, undermining the already more fragle family structure through all kinds of machinations and of course much of it was just straight up economic

I think to understand why the "black awakening" just kinda fell apart one needs to look at fanons "wretched" and the other big one he wrote for the psychological factors while at the same time understanding just how pervasive and all-encompassing consumerism and the american morast can be, especially when you are poor. when you combine those two things you get an understanding of how it came to this

allow me to rephrase that in semi-ironic polack:

the kikes run the world and obviously the music industry, when they sign a woke young artist and he wants to do a track about poverty or something they say:

No, they're arguing that you can make it happen right at the same moment, not before and not after, which is pretty fucking stupid.

Muke isn't an edgy faggot that calls himself a socialist for style points and instead rejects idpol. Muke has potential. We can make him strong yet. ContraPoints is content to live in capitalism and has a weak outlook. We cannot use him.

Seems like typical white nationalist shit to me. Why is it any different because blacks do it?

Oh, the similarity is there, but the main difference is that black people have broadly been fucked over in pretty much all facets of life for generations.

I too win arguments when I make up my opponents position

This had a point back then cause black americans were actually oppressed.
It has no point now and has become a smokescreen in order not to talk about the contradictions of capitalism.

Hell.. I could even say it was never about the contradictions of capitalism!

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Again, it doesn't matter. Idpol is idpol, and it doesn't matter who does it. It's divisive and doesn't lead to class unity. What kind of black man is going to unite with the White Wombat party? Then ask yourself, if racism is such a common thing, then why instead of looking for common ground do we make a movement based on race at the exclusion of others? Think of why any white worker would ally themselves with the BPP. Predictably, only hippie liberals and rich kids that wanted to seem "progressive" bought into it, and the whole thing crumbled.

Thats what "im a pessimistic socialist" from a liberal means, user.
""supporting"" socialism but thinking its "unrealistic" or some shit like that is standard liberal trite.
"I'm a very pessimistic socialist" reeks of exactly this shit.

Lol no, not like a retard who thinks Hampton isn't a real socialist is anyone worth arguing with anyway.

Hmmm….
Well…

NO!

Except the argument you gave is just reddit socialism which isn't pessimistic it's just naive, uneducated garbage.

They're still actually oppressed and so are whites, just as they were then, but not by racism, but by capitalism. Capitalism is the glue that binds it all together, and race is what was used to divide. You have to look beyond race, you have to say to yourself, that yeah, maybe you do hate niggers/crackers, but you have to be in it together. If we cannot do this, then we're going to lose forever and you can look forward to being exterminated by bourgeoisie.

You are right, and I only read the first part before I wrote all that shit, but I think it explains what I mean better for others, so I will leave it up there. Marxists of the Groucho tendency are best.

Where the fuck did these autists come from?

I never said Hampton wasn't a real socialist. I said he ate up retarded idpol shit, and that's a fact. The one I accused of not being a real socialist is ContraPoints because he's fucking not. All he talks about is idpol shit. That makes him an SJW, not a socialist.

Being for exclusively black liberation at the exclusion of others is idpol, yes during any decade.

Muke here, that should be obvious - his videos blow my mind and I'm honestly super jealous of her skill.

AND?
NND?
DDD?
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Seriously anyone saying otherwise based on 'but idpol' is just deluded.

ContraPoints is manlier than you at the moment, but you have potential.

Potential to be better or potential to be a trap?

The positions are not the same, it's not that complicated

they weren't exclusively for black liberation you actual assburgers patient.

You at no point demonstrated exclusivity

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, YOU QUINTOUPLE NIGGER
PEOPLE WHO ARE NAIIVE DONT FUCKING THINK OF THEMSELVES AS NAIIVE
NOONE SELF-IDENTIFIES AS A COMPLETE RETARD
RATIONALIZING NOT BEING SOCIALIST WITH "I'm socialist, just very pessimistic!" IS EXACTLY WHAT I DESCRIBED

Literally half your post is broad assumptions that can only be reached by applying your own idpol. You seem way more spooked than the panthers ever were

No one on reddit socialist spheres is a pessimist or thinks of themselves as pessimistic, and having a bleak outlook (which you should if you'r capable of anything other than cheerleading) is pretty natural to having any understanding of modern politics.

Also calm the fuck down, kid.

This thread is officialy cancer.
Can we please kill it?

Fine with me, should have been in /leftytrash/ to begin with

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SYMPTOM OF WESTERN LIBERAL DECADENCE/BRAINWASHING

NAZBOLGANG WILL HONE THE NEGRO

INTO THE UBERNEGRO

AID IN BATTLE AGAINST ATLANTICIST JUNTA FOR RIMBELT OF EURASIA

WE WILL REBUILD HAITI AND GIVE YOU THE WITCH AND SAXMAN

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Potential to be better and potential in looking more like man. I was making fun of you in a playful way.

Seriously, if you are ending up in one of these "cringe compilations" you 100% deserve it. Also criminalizing Holocaust denial is retarded since that opens the door for criminalizing Holodomor denial or anything contradictionary to porky history™ (official)

CONGRATULATIONS OP!
You made a tankie be correct.

She says that we need to make decisions on what marginalized groups will have their freedom of speech dampened. The problem is that the people who she says are marginalized aren't really that marginalized. There are probably more feminist friendly Americans than sexists. More gay friendly than homophobes and more egalitarians than racists. At least, in America
Furthermore, homophobes, racists and nazis are clearly assholes to most reasonable people while minorities, gays, etc are just living as they were born. Therefore, it is easy to see why the group of assholes are the ones being marginalized, and justifiably so

All the confidence of someone who watched the video without any of the arguments of someone who watched the video

No they aren't they are just a bunch of self absorbed lunatics that contribute to nothing for class struggle.
They only dragging us down with their identity bullshit.

This channel is supposed to be the most thick skinned part of the SJW movement?

This tbh

Same applies to all "minorities".

Hint: There are no minorities in socialism.

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There are always lunatics

The mentally ill are not a minority.

Holy fucking shit this guy was called NicotineAlien back in like 2008 during the whole youtube skeptic thing, was pretty much a discount thunderfoot with piano videos, didn't know he became a tranny.

Im gonna suck the gender fluidity out of her hot feminine dick

>>>/gulag/

I watched his video but he always makes the same fallacy:

youtu.be/-fR6g9CDMsA

Retarded SJWs are not forced to spew their bullshit out of YouTube, they are going on there voluntarily. In this video he complains about "dehumanizing" somebody who calls everybody who is white and straight a racist and a sexist. If you go out there and insult 90% of the audience you are going to be called a faggot.

worth it

Take your pills

They're just indoctrinated by porky propaganda still. Idiots like them are the downfall of us all. Division between the workers, no matter how small, is what porky wants.

"Don't target us, target the gays and the trannies! We don't like them either."

These faggots don't even realize they are the idpol they claim to hate. Just stop being a cunt to the fellow workers to score points with porky.

Contra is more knowledgeable and better at production than muke, but muke isn't under peer pressure from liberal friends to take idpol seriously. Muke is objectively better for targeting the working class because he doesn't have the smug academic air that Contra does, and doesn't spend so much time talking about bullshit distractions.

then why, you stupid fucking ridiculous incompetent cocksucking nigger, are there articles like this in the huffington post, and why was it in a gender studies course I took in college?

huffingtonpost.com/entry/an-open-letter-from-an-admitted-racist_us_57831e2ae4b05b4c02fd02b8

fucking kek

Actually understanding the video you're watching is pretty important to having "watched the video". Milo is a dumb faggot but that's not even the argument he or contra makes in that earlier video, and it's certainly not even close to the argument made in this latest one

It goes without mentioning that Muke also looks more like a normal, common person, while this guy behaves and dresses himself like a total clown.

Yeah, it goes without saying that Contra presents himself in a way that makes it hard to take him seriously. That's why I didn't say it.

You see comrade, "white people" doesn't refer to actual people who are labeled white. It refers to the social construct of their "in group" and it's identity as superior beings to darkies. The separation was created in order to justify racism and a racial caste system involving slavery. When academics say that white people are inherently racist, they are referring to the racial identity, not the people. They are saying it's racist to divide people up according to race and define one group as better than others. When non-academics parrot academics and say that white people are racist they are totally definitely absolutely meaning the same thing. It's racist of you to think that they might be saying that white people as in real people who are labeled white are racist by definition. After all it's completely impossible for people to take academic ideas expressed in ambiguous language to mean something other than what was intended. *surreptitiously brushes social darwinism under the rug*

Too much idpol in this thread. Sort your shit out before you start talking

youtube.com/watch?v=GGTDhutW_us&feature=youtu.be

so much for the free speech right

so much for the tolerant right

Not really. For example pessimistic socialism could also just mean that a person thinks that before socialism can actually develop capitalism fucks us over to such a degree that all hope is lost (through things like climate change etc.).

This is just like Bookchin posters.

I'm not saying that this is what she definitely means. I'm saying that you making any assumption about the meaning of her "pessimistic socialism" is pretty fucking stupid especially if you consider who she interacts with e.g. Philosophytube who is an outspoken anarchist. Also, she has a background in academic Marxism.

Why would you call him a she when he is not even a transfag but just a dumb crossdresser?

contra says that she doesn't mind what pronouns you use and is ok with he and her.

Because she said that she's fine with every pronoun. Also every time I see her talk she kinda seems more of a she so I'm just using what comes naturally.

hitchens was a former swappie, so he's got all the bad bits of the SWP's Trotskyism with none of the good bits.